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Brian

10/7/2017 – Michigan 10, Michigan State 14 – 4-1, 1-1 Big Ten

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a metaphor for somethin' [Bryan Fuller]

Don Brown is in one of those Progressive commercials where everything gradually turns white, except in his case everything is gradually turning back into Boston College. Someone walks by with a bunch of hockey sticks. Bill Simmons is on the television again. He swears he overhears a conversation about pahking the cah. Maroon filters into his peripheral vision.

On Wednesday at three fifteen PM there is going to be a knock on the door. Steve Addazio is going to walk in and sit down. Brown will summon all his willpower not to jam the nearest pen through his own eyesocket, to claw the power of sight from his face and evaporate from the world of men.

Jay Harbaugh, seated, will wonder if the slight twitch under Brown's eye means anything or if it's just something that happens to men of a certain age. He will not say something about "guys being dudes," and will never know how close he—how close all of us—came to Total Mustache Annihilation. He will tell Brown about Terrace House, a Japanese version of the Real World where everyone is very nice and considerate of each other's feelings.

Thus disabused of the Addazio specter, Brown will resume destroying all that opposes him until the inevitable knife in the back. He tries not to think of Sisyphus, and fails.

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Michigan's main problem on offense is that they are bad at it. This is not a good problem. "Our right tackle sucks" is something you might be able to address. "Almost everyone is not good at football right now" leads to situations like Saturday. I brought up the Law Of Large Percentages Multiplied A Lot, which is something I just made up right now, in a brief twitter conversation with a reporter who wanted people to know one weird thing about Oklahoma football:

That is a weird thing, but it's not as weird as it sounds. If OU was a 10 point favorite in eight games they'd get through unscathed just 12% of the time*. If they were a 14 point favorite they get up to 27%. You have to get up to 17.5—a 93.7% shot at victory!—before Hypothetical OU even hits 50%. The Law Of Large Percentages Multiplied A Lot is that even big ones fall off faster than you'd think.

Michigan's offense has 6-7-8 guys who have to execute on any particular play for it to be a success, and... let's just say many of them are not three-score favorites to do so on any particular play. They are an example of The Law Of Large Percentages And Some Quite Small Ones Multiplied A Lot. The results can be seen in the box score, or the haunted look on the face of a man who replaced ten starters and still has the #3 defense in the country.

And so today the Must brigade is out. "Must" is the worst word in sportswriting for a lot of reasons. Foremost among them is that whatever follows "must" is something so blindingly obvious Marcelo Balboa is probably talking about a replay of it as we speak. He must catch that ball. He must YES WE KNOW I HAVE EYES, AT LEAST FOR NOW, I'M CONSIDERING A CHANGE IN THAT DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU.

I spent most of the weekend trying and failing to get this column done because I couldn't wade into any commentary on the game that wasn't furious and over the top, and immediately made me want to go do something else. Weird shit happens in college football, especially when you're playing your backup QB, and there's a brief second-half monsoon, and on top of that you turn the ball over five times. Various dirt stupid people are now flogging a "Harbaugh is 1-4 versus rivals" thing as if that encapsulates the whole of his tenure, or even his career. Yeah, Michigan had the dumb thing happen on the punt and lost by a literal inch in Columbus last year. If you're ascribing that to something other than chance I cannot help you.

Whatever Harbaugh MUST do he's probably already doing. He has a track record, and he'll either follow that up with more of the same or not. We're oddly locked in: few coaches trying to establish themselves at a new school come with the pedigree that Harbaugh does, so he'll get a ton of time and a bunch of rope and we'll see where it goes. It'll probably go really well once they aren't carrying the baggage of someone else's screwups on top of their base rate.

But I mean, go ahead and yell about how unacceptable everything is, I guess. We are dying to hear about your feelings.

*[This is based on this site's conversion of point spreads to winners.]

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blanket [Fuller]

Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

-2535ac8789d1b499[1]you're the man now, dog

#1 Mo Hurst. Hurst got to play a lot of three tech this week and went from making good plays that someone else scoops up the glory on to wrecking the interior of the opposition offense himself. The fourth down stop stands out, because Hurst may have induced the fumble from a nervous center; Hurst whooped him anyway and the play was doomed either way.

#2 Lavert Hill. Hill's three PBUs were all excellent plays, and he was in the hip pocket of whoever his assignment was for the duration. MSU had... one open receiver? Maybe two? Lewerke averaged 4.3 YPA. Hill played the largest part in that.

#3 Brad Robbins. Averaged 43 yards a punt in often-difficult conditions and mindblasted the MSU returner on the muff; gave up just ten total return yards on seven attempts.

Honorable mention: Most of the rest of the defense. And... Grant Perry, I guess?

KFaTAotW Standings.

8: Devin Bush (#1 Florida, T2 Cincinnati, T2 Air Force, #1 Purdue)
5: Chase Winovich(#1 Air Force, #2a Purdue) 
3: Mason Cole (#1, Cincinnati), Ty Isaac (#2, Florida, #3 Cincinnati), Mo Hurst (#1 MSU)   
2: Quinn Nordin (#3 Florida, #3 Air Force), John O'Korn (#2 Purdue), Lavert Hill (#2 MSU)
1: Khaleke Hudson (T2 Cincinnati), Tyree Kinnel (T2 Cincinnati), Mike McCray(T2 Air Force), Sean McKeon(T3 Purdue), Zach Gentry (T3 Purdue), Brad Robbins(#3 MSU).

Who's Got It Better Than Us Of The Week

MSU's punt returner dorfs on a bomb by Robbins, muffing it back to the two and setting up a short field that Michigan would use to get their touchdown.

Honorable mention: The first drive was pretty all right until the back-to-back fades.

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Eddie McDoom drops a pass that would have taken Michigan down to the 25 with 13 seconds left.

Honorable mention: Pick a turnover but especially the first two, as they were key in Michigan's deficit by the time the rain arrived. Lewerke scrapes out a late first down because he lands on Michigan players. Michigan gets a touchdown wiped off the board on a Higdon holding call. Most offensive plays.

[After THE JUMP: what would you say you do here]

OFFENSE

Under pressure. I am down with Tim Drevno glaring at this juncture. He got dealt a tough hand. So far he's blown it. He comes in late and takes a flier on Ulizio; Ulizio just got yanked for Bushell-Beatty. More egregious was Michigan's OL recruiting the year after. Despite an obvious, crying need for tackles Michigan took zero—zero zero zero.

They inherited Erik Swenson and dicked around with him until January despite the fact they knew they had no desire to take him. Then they got blindsided by Devery Hamilton's Stanford flip. Replacing those guys was... nobody. Michigan added Stephen Spanellis, who's 100% a guard, and has since played Ben Bredeson exclusively at guard despite the fact that he was supposedly neck and neck with Newsome for the LT job last year. So instead of two redshirt freshman tackle bullets Michigan has nothing but Ulizio and Brady Hoke's leftovers.

Michigan has one highly touted tackle in Drevno's tenure, freshman Chuck Filiaga. Michigan had to know about the looming hole there and they've utterly failed to address it. That goes back to Drevno. Add in the disjointed OL in year three and it might be FCS head coaching time.

Settle in. Bizarrely, in the midst of the game Chris Fowler told the world that Wilton Speight had cracked vertebrae and was out for the season. Tom Van Haaren followed this up with an article:

Wilton Speight has three broken vertebrae in his back, a source confirmed to ESPN.

ESPN's Chris Fowler first reported Speight's injury at the top of ABC's Saturday night broadcast of the Michigan State-Michigan game saying: "Wilton Speight ... he is out, probably for the season. He has three broken vertebrae, he told us." ...

While it's likely that Speight will be out for the remainder of the season, he will be reevaluated six to eight weeks after the injury occurred.

For unnecessary confirmation, a reader forwarded this David Turnley photo along from instasnapbook:

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I got a report that Speight told someone not affiliated with ESPN he could be back in four weeks. I'd assume that the longer projection is more likely to be correct. It boggles the mind that fractured freakin' vertebrae aren't obviously season-ending. Anyway, don't expect Speight back any time soon.

O'Korn couldn't see anything. I don't know how much of O'Korn's tendency to stand in the pocket for four or five seconds before attempting to scramble out was on him and how much was on the wide receivers not getting open. That was the main theme in the passing offense, though: reasonable protection that eventually breaks down on the right side; O'Korn hangs onto the ball way too long. A couple of sacks were four or five seconds in the pocket, and O'Korn has to know that he's not likely to get that much time.

Break glass in case of—*BREAKS GLASS*. If Speight's out for the year and O'Korn continues to struggle the calls for Brandon Peters will be incessant, and I'll be amongst them. Without a radically improved offense this team is topping out as a Citrus Bowl outfit. Time to see what Peters brings to the table.

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THIS IS THE WRONG PERSON TO FADE AT [Upchurch]

I have several problems with you people. Michigan's first drive was going swimmingly until two routes in the corner of the endzone yielded zilch. One was a wheel route to McKeon that was well covered, and I guess that's understandable. The second was a fade to McDoom. Michigan's policy of exclusively throwing fades at people a foot shorter than Zach Gentry is driving me crazy. Fades aren't great in general. Fades at a 5'11" guy who isn't Jeremy Gallon make me want to fade into Bolivia.

At least the Hail Mary went at the right guy:

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[Upchurch]

So we've got that going for us.

Zero QB run game. Other game calling complaints: Michigan had zero QB run game for O'Korn. I'm not asking Michigan to go Denard with him, but at no point did Michigan make MSU even think about O'Korn as a runner. Very frustrating when MSU gets half their rushing yards from Lewerke, and even more so when the second half cried out for various ways to make yards without throwing the ball.

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These guys are too close together [Upchurch]

Next to zero deep shots. I saved the worst for last, but I'm not sure exactly who this is on: Michigan basically did not test the Michigan State safeties in pass coverage. One attempted corner route to Gentry was broken up after it looked like DPJ ran the wrong route, drawing additional defenders—or at least not delaying them. Michigan didn't go after them again, basically for the whole game. What deep shots did exist were on the sideline against the corners; M utterly failed to heed the lessons of the Big 12.

Crawford. He had a play on a deep ball and did not make it, adding to his litany of missed opportunities. Have to wonder if Black could have made a difference here. The continued absence of Oliver Marin and Nico Collins means they're all but certain to redshirt; I guess I can't complain about that because Freshman Wide Receivers Suck, but I am a little disappointed one of them hasn't broken through a battered screen door.

Yes, Brady Hoke is still partially responsible for this. The only Hoke players who are playing more than a very minor role are the two fullbacks, Ty Isaac, Mason Cole, and Patrick Kugler. The quarterback depth chart reads...

  • Generic Three Star
  • Houston Transfer
  • Redshirt Freshman

...because of Hoke.

Michigan's unusual wait to pick up Harbaugh is another contributing factor. Harbaugh brought in a bunch of dudes from the NFL who were picking up college recruiting cold and had to scramble to add a number of guys in three weeks. They added more contributors in that time than Hoke did for the entire cycle. (Wheatley, Gentry, Higdon, and Perry vs Kinnel, Newsome, and I guess Ulizio.) It was still not enough to rescue a tiny class.

DEFENSE

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crunch [Upchurch]

So that's how you stay in contact with five turnovers. The preview projected ten MSU points plus whatever the offense handed them, and this turned out to be pessimistic. MSU had 8 three-and-outs, one of them a four-and-out turnover on downs. They gave up a short-field TD drive based mostly on QB scrambles; they gave up an actual long TD drive that was about half a contested downfield deep ball that was a PBU... and also a catch. A selection of we-saved-this plays got them the rest of the way. One 50 yard run was about the only other thing Michigan gave up until the four-minute drill that got a couple first downs, the second incredibly fortunate.

The second-half D was helped out by the weather and MSU's (very, very correct) conservative approach, but you really can't ask for more. Michigan should have ground MSU down in a field position game for the entirety of the second half and won, but O'Korn's interceptions prevented that.

More Mone. Bryan Mone got his most extensive playing time of the year. He—or another DT—was almost always in there on any manball-ish snap. Mone did well, plowing various dudes back, and that's reassuring for future manball outings and Mone's future in general.

Bush relatively quiet. Devin Bush made a number of tackles at or near the line of scrimmage but didn't have any dramatic backfield plunderings. For the first time this year he was held off the stat sheet aside from tackles. It'll be interesting to see whether that was tactical from either team, a manball effect, or just one of those things.

FWIW, the PF he got was total crap; even if he deserved it he'd just been punched in the face and at worst it should have been offsetting. The offsides at the end was painful. I mean, sort of. It would have been more painful if it seemed like the offense could score in the next sixty years.

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no sir [Fuller]

Lavert Hill headed towards excellent. Hill had three PBUs, each of them excellent. The most excellent may have been a zone snap where he was in cover two and fell off the short route, breaking up a 15-ish yard throw that otherwise would have been a first down chunk. He had another on a deep corner route on which he was in the WR's hip pocket and provided zero window.

There were a few open MSU receivers short in zone stuff and one a bit deeper—he dropped it. Other than that, nothing was open. Brandon Watson kinda sorta got beat on a ball he got his hand on; that's the second time in two weeks that's happened to a Michigan CB. Makes you wonder why Michigan isn't trying to get similar chunks when nothing else is working.

No sacks, barely. Lewerke was dragged down fractionally behind the line of scrimmage a couple times but the official box score had those as zero yard runs, so Rashan Gary did not get credit for a sack when he flung down Lewerke with one hand.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Got one? Probably. Given the trajectory of one MSU punt and Jared Wangler going nuts afterwards I think Michigan got their first punt block of the year. Unfortunately it was one of those that goes 22 yards instead of –22 yards, but that's life, especially in this game.

Hartbarger was seemingly uncomfortable on a couple more, with some uncharacteristically short punts.

Never return kickoffs. That is all.

MISCELLANEOUS

The ministry of silly runs. Chris Evans had occasion to do this in a football game:

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[Upchurch]

Football is weird.

HERE

Best And Worst:

But this game felt like 2001, or 1990, or even 2015, games where Michigan State was more lucky than good. That doesn't mean MSU didn't play well enough to win, only that these weren't dominant wins by superior teams like (sadly) they were against Hoke's and RR's teams. MSU needed 5 turnovers (and none of their own), a backup QB, a torrential downpour, and a QB being stopped short after a fumbled snap yet sliding on his falling center's leg to barely hold on against Michigan, and while that's usually how underdogs win games, it doesn't point toward sustained dominance in this series by the Spartans.

Bill Connelly pointed this out in his Five Factors post this weekend: MSU had a turnover margin of +4.8 above their national average, which works out to about 24 points of "bad luck" by Michigan. Michigan lost such a game by 4 points, and had a chance on the last play to still pull it out. It always sucks to be the team that has the luck go against it, but this loss still feels different. MSU tried to give this game away, and they nearly did with poor clock management and even poorer self control. This loss, as bad as it is in the moment, feels like 2015, a stumble but not a fall. I don't put too much stock into tides or narratives, but this rivalry is starting to feel like it did during most of my youth, where MSU wins were notable because of their weirdness and not their dominance. And I think the other half of that equation, the scarcity of Spartan victories, will follow soon as well.

You can also keep up with Michigan alums playing in Japan:

Devin Gardner led the Nojima Rise to another high scoring victory, this time besting the Lixil Deers 38-35 at Amino Vital Field.

Mario Ojemudia recorded a sack on the opening series of the game for Nojuma. Starting from their own 42 after the subsequent punt, Gardner drove the Rise down to the Deer 11 yard line, and a field goal made it 3-0.

ELSEWHERE

Nope!

Comments

SituationSoap

October 9th, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^

I mean, they're not that far off. Structurally, they're different, but conceptually they attack gaps, squeeze the line and put guys on the outside in one-on-one matchups where you challenge the other team to beat you over the top in the limited time you have before the pass rush gets there. 

HollywoodHokeHogan

October 9th, 2017 at 3:33 PM ^

So your fix is too make the offense exponentially more complicated? I think dumbed down pro style offenses are very hard to install with young college players. Installing the actual KC offense would be nearly impossible. You might as well call for Mike McCarthy's WR in the backfield sets as well.

MI Expat NY

October 9th, 2017 at 1:16 PM ^

That first line of your last paragraph really hits the nail on the head.  You watch college games across the country between vaguely evenly matched teams and even somewhat in the NFL, and offenses always find a way to get easy yards, or at the very least significantly change the dynamics so that the offense has much better odds at performing sufficiently to get the job done.  I just don't feel that we have done that much over the last three years and pretty much not at all this year.  We don't seem to get gaping holes because the defense was tricked.  We don't seem to get our receivers into wide open spaces 15 yards down the field.  We don't seem to get misdirection plays that truly catch the defense wrong-footed.  

Obviously you can't expect to accomplish that on every play, and a truly great offense has to operate well even in situations where the defense has a pretty good idea what's coming.  But you simply can't be as explosive on offense as you need to be in today's college game if you can't scheme your way to easy yards. 

M-Dog

October 9th, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^

Running (or highly mobile) QB's account for most of that.

O'Korn has a lot of liabilities, and we are stuck wtih him for the season, but he can run.

That's how he beat Indiana last year.

Fuck it, turn him loose.

Pocket O'Korn ain't beating anybody with a decent defense.

 

trueblueintexas

October 9th, 2017 at 3:57 PM ^

I would agree if you said guys getting open wasn't happening this year.

The past two years there have been plenty of these plays. Go back to the Florida bowl game. You couldn't find a defender in the same screen shot as Chesson multiple times. Last year, every week there was at least one or two examples of guys being blitheringly wide open and Speight missing the throw. It basically became a theme in Brian's game reviews and UFR'er. 

Larry Appleton

October 9th, 2017 at 4:34 PM ^

We've always had teams like Rutgers on our schedule, and we've always had teams like Iowa and Ohio State.  But not in 112 years did we average over 40 points in a game.  That's a testement to how good and efficient the offense was last year.

TrueBlue2003

October 10th, 2017 at 1:24 AM ^

average points per game is a pretty poor indicator of offensive efficiency, because it doesn't account for opponent, tempo, garbage time, etc.  There are actually much better indicators that account for those things.  One of which is S&P+ in which we were ranked 40th in the country. 

Also, we've not always had as many teams like Rutgers as we had last year.  We used to play a much more difficult schedule. Most of the P5 did before financial incentives to schedule tomato cans at home became too strong to schedule fun home and homes, and the BCS/Playoff made teams avoid tough non-conf games.  Between Hawai'i, UCF, Rutgers, Maryland, etc. last years schedule was one of the easiest in Michigan history.  That is a statistical fact.

reshp1

October 9th, 2017 at 10:28 PM ^

The point isn't Harbaugh's offenses can't be good. The point is you need a lot of things to go right for you in order for it to work. We had 3 NFL pass catchers, a QB that spent a lot of games straight dealing, Peppers as a occasional RB, and an OL that was at least decent (especially before Newsome got hurt). At the same time, when one part of that inexplicably had a rough night, all of a sudden we couldn't do anything against a very pedestrian Iowa. It's just a high variance style that's extremely execution dependent. 

NYC Fan

October 9th, 2017 at 3:48 PM ^

Carolina did this yesterday against the lions when trying to run the clock in the 4th quarter.

When lining up and running in the middle all bunched up, the lions were holding their own.  Carolina came out with 3 WRs and spread the field out and was able to run back inside for the 1st down.  They simply created more room to run by spreading out the field.

charblue.

October 9th, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^

with a qb who has a gun and can run over anyone and their offense is incredibly creative because of all the window dressing that not only is Harbaugh familiar with, he used to run at Michigan when he was a quarterback, for crying out loud. Michigan ran single wing, rpo stuff under Bo. He wanted to run the wishbone after Oklahoma won the NC one year, and then decided against it. But he was always a run-first and predominant coach before his predecessors took over and qbs who could throw it precisely.

Michigan has been in this predicament many times during its history. I mean getting gloomy over their offensive difficulties is kind of ridiculous. I had no doubts they were gonna whip MSU, but I also didn't think it would be easy, because it never is against the Spartans based on the rivalry and its history. Forget everything except the moment. And we didn't play in the moment, which is the only way to play MSU.

It's easy to get up and play Ohio State. They are always at the top and good. Sparty is just our nemesis. And we don't see them as equals. And that is why this is always about respect and why they sell out, and we don't. We just value Ohio State as a bigger rival and more important in our football scheme of things than MSU.

Where is MSU going with their season, even with this win? I don't know where Michigan is going with its season, but I know that Michigan has bigger ideas and bigger goals and they are far more realistic under Harbaugh than whatever Dantonio has got going on. And he is a worthy advesary.

If you are going to beat a rival, you must stop what they do best and win with what you do best, and keep doing it. That's my biggest complaint with play-calling, not just Micihigan's but anyone. Keep running stuff that your team does well at running regardless of the defense. Why? Because they are confident running it. When the game is on the line, what call should you make. I know, it's the play that your team runs the best in practice and over time in all its games. I don't care what it is, run that play. I love the handoff to the hammering panda. It always works close to the goal line and short yardage. Run the drag route pass to the tight end near the goal line or put in a formation of tight ends and then run that play. It will work.

Michigan didn't repeat it's play-action pass to Gtrsnt Perry. It didn't challenge MSU's safeties or backfield. Why? Those are play-calling choices in the game based on the gameplan. But you alter those choices based on what you see happening. Maybe you need a kid up there putting asteriks next to plays that work in certain situations just so you can go back to them.

And you don't have to immediately repeat them on the other side of the field.

charblue.

October 9th, 2017 at 4:50 PM ^

with a qb who has a gun and can run over anyone and their offense is incredibly creative because of all the window dressing that not only is Harbaugh familiar with, he used to run at Michigan when he was a quarterback, for crying out loud. Michigan ran single wing, rpo stuff under Bo. He wanted to run the wishbone after Oklahoma won the NC one year, and then decided against it. But he was always a run-first and predominant coach before his predecessors took over and qbs who could throw it precisely.

Michigan has been in this predicament many times during its history. I mean getting gloomy over their offensive difficulties is kind of ridiculous. I had no doubts they were gonna whip MSU, but I also didn't think it would be easy, because it never is against the Spartans based on the rivalry and its history. Forget everything except the moment. And we didn't play in the moment, which is the only way to play MSU.

It's easy to get up and play Ohio State. They are always at the top and good. Sparty is just our nemesis. And we don't see them as equals. And that is why this is always about respect and why they sell out, and we don't. We just value Ohio State as a bigger rival and more important in our football scheme of things than MSU.

Where is MSU going with their season, even with this win? I don't know where Michigan is going with its season, but I know that Michigan has bigger ideas and bigger goals and they are far more realistic under Harbaugh than whatever Dantonio has got going on. And he is a worthy advesary.

If you are going to beat a rival, you must stop what they do best and win with what you do best, and keep doing it. That's my biggest complaint with play-calling, not just Micihigan's but anyone. Keep running stuff that your team does well at running regardless of the defense. Why? Because they are confident running it. When the game is on the line, what call should you make. I know, it's the play that your team runs the best in practice and over time in all its games. I don't care what it is, run that play. I love the handoff to the hammering panda. It always works close to the goal line and short yardage. Run the drag route pass to the tight end near the goal line or put in a formation of tight ends and then run that play. It will work.

Michigan didn't repeat it's play-action pass to Gtrsnt Perry. It didn't challenge MSU's safeties or backfield. Why? Those are play-calling choices in the game based on the gameplan. But you alter those choices based on what you see happening. Maybe you need a kid up there putting asteriks next to plays that work in certain situations just so you can go back to them.

And you don't have to immediately repeat them on the other side of the field.

getsome

October 9th, 2017 at 5:26 PM ^

agreed, thats always been my stance too.

its just so difficult to consistently field a solid OL, competent QB capable of running pro style concepts and the skill players to go with it to make more pro style schemes work at the college level - maybe every few years but its tough to run consistently, year in and year out (other than truly unique recruiting situations like bama, usc back in the day, etc, maybe even stanford past few years bc they get the smartest possible athletes but even then its a stretch).

why not use spacing to your advantage rather than allow it to inhibit your efforts?  its a beautiful thing when 22 personel executes flawlessly and grinds D to paste but its not easy

reshp1

October 9th, 2017 at 10:31 PM ^

Stanford topped out with one very good year and every other year they were good for a lose they should have won.

And in case you didn't notice, Alabama started transitioning away from Pro Style when they fired Nuss in 2014 and ditched it completely with Hurts last year.

Big Boutros

October 9th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^

I'm just concerned that Harbaugh won't do for the offense what he did when he hired Don Brown: find the brightest mind in the game and leave him alone.

Harbaugh is a football savant and I'm sure his offense is brilliant when 11 qualified professionals are running it. But right now we're too young to excel in something so complex. It's pretty obvious that Dantonio's "40 formations" comment was not a compliment.

WestSider

October 9th, 2017 at 12:08 PM ^

and as poor as the running game is, I really wanted to just keep pounding the running game through most of the second half. The numerous pass play calls were curious, and fateful.

creelymonk10

October 9th, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^

Yes, I was screaming all half to just run on all 4 downs. Instead, 3rd and 5 we throw another pick. We were getting 3-4 yards a pop with an occassional 7-8 yarder. No need to go empty set in a monsoon on 3rd and short or 1st and 10. That was the most egregious thing about this game. 

Ghost of Fritz…

October 9th, 2017 at 1:39 PM ^

several others have posted this idea. 

But wasn't that just one drive? 

Most of the rest of the game Ms running game was terrible.

Hard to get yards on inside runs when the MSU LBs were crashing into gaps without even pausing to make a read.

OTOH, maybe sticking with running would have worked if they would have mixed in some misdirection running plays to exploint MSU's 'no-read' LB play. 

creelymonk10

October 9th, 2017 at 2:32 PM ^

After our TD drive, the following series, now downpouring:

1st and 10: RUN for 5 yards

2nd and 5: RUN for 6 yards.

1st and 10: RUN for 6 yards.

2nd and 4: RUN for 6 yards.

1st and 10: PASS incomplete, holding with the offsetting penalties.

1st and 20: PASS, JOK scramble for 8 yards.

2nd and 12: PASS intercepted.

Next Drive:

1st and 10: RUN for 1 yard.

2nd and 9: PASS, sacked for -1 yards.

3rd and 10: PASS, screen to McKeon for 12 yards.

1st and 10: PASS incomplete.

2nd and 10: RUN for 7 yards.

3rd and 3: PASS intercepted.

Next drive:

1st and 10: PASS incomplete.

2nd and 10: RUN for 1 yard.

3rd and 9: PASS intercepted.

Next drive:

1st and 10: RUN for 12 yards

1st and 10: RUN for 1 yard.

2nd and 9: RUN for 4 yards.

3rd and 5: PASS incomplete. 

 

That's 10 passes in those 4 drives, 1 good 3rd down call on the screen for a 1st down, 3 interceptions, everything else incomplete or holding called. 10 runs, averaging 4.9 YPC, with no huge runs to really skew that. Every 1st and 10 should have been a run, as well as the 2nd and 9, the 3rd and 3, and the 3rd and 5. Have to adjust your playcalling when you can't execute any (but one) of these passing plays in that weather. These 4 series were extremely frustrating. 

Ghost of Fritz…

October 9th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^

all in disagreement.

But I doubt just inside runs all 2nd half were going to work (though they did get a few to work for 5-6 yards).  Needed to mix in some misdirection run plays and also test the edges creatively. 

And then on a non-obvious passing down a nice pass over the middle to Gentry in the zone vacated by the LBs. 

creelymonk10

October 9th, 2017 at 3:29 PM ^

Right, I agree. I wanted to go through and look for myself after it seemed that way live. I badly wanted a play action on that 2nd and 9 instead of a straight pass. I agree some misdirection and some edge plays would have been good also. Just really hated some of the pass plays called and in that situation.

Also of note, these good runs were run out of offset I or Ace, then on the 2nd to last drive of the game that we got nothing at all we ran twice out of the shotgun, one being that awful delayed draw. Overall, the play calling left a lot to be desired, needed to stop trying to outwit the other side with a pass and just run the ball when getting push. Just felt like we wasted a lot of downs, and therefore, drives.

IMB87

October 9th, 2017 at 6:42 PM ^

If we had been content to run the ball, even if we had to punt.  Punting is better than an interception under those conditions.  I know we were behind and I understand throwing to catch them off guard but being forced to punt is not that bad if MSU can't move the ball. 

Maizen

October 9th, 2017 at 12:23 PM ^

Yeah, throwing the ball 35 times with your backup QB in a monsoon isn't ideal. I understand having struggles at RT this year, no excuse though for the other 4 guys. Michigan should be focusing on running the football better. Watching Bama and Stanford pound the rock the way they do makes me sad.

jmblue

October 9th, 2017 at 12:56 PM ^

It seemed like the only way we were going to score was off a short field.  I would have been content to just get into a punting battle with MSU, especially after their PR's hands looked iffy.   On one 3rd and long I even wondered if we should try a quick kick.

 

ESNY

October 9th, 2017 at 1:17 PM ^

And if they were going to pass, why didn't they do more play action?  The LBs were crashing hard at the snap yet we did nothing to make them pay by doing an RPO or play action or misdirection.  Just kept running into the teeth of the defense or going five wide and telegraphing pass

True Blue Grit

October 9th, 2017 at 2:06 PM ^

bad.  It isn't great and they need to reduce turnovers, but they were getting yards against MSU.  The real problem is our shitty passing game.  We didn't attempt to test Sparty's safeties and couldn't complete anything mid to long range.  If we DID, our running game would be better since MSU would have had to back off crowding the line of scrimmage.  

The killer is we can't complete 3rd downs.  And if we're in 3rd and say, 6 yards or more, we need to be able to complete passes.  

ScottyP

October 9th, 2017 at 12:11 PM ^

I feel Sparta got every bounce possible, both our fumbles just lay there waiting for a spartan player. Their muffed punt of course bounces perfectly for him to recover, no crazy hops or anything. The one interception that was a bullet and hits random guys arm and pops up for him to pick. At that point you just have to shake your head and tip a few more back. And the deep ball that was well defended, only to have the ball pop right up to the receiver, and who was the FS on that play that came over and did absolutely nothing? Was that Kinnel? Either break the ball up or lay the WR out.

Brick in The Wave

October 9th, 2017 at 12:30 PM ^

Man, I must have said, "they are getting every bounce" at least 10 times during that game.  Not that we played well but, it just seemed like everything that could go wrong did and that they were on the positive end of a lot of luck.

You even forgot to mention the tackle two yards short of the line when Lewerke fell on his own lineman and got the first.  

Again we played piss poor and didn't deserve to win but we didn't seem to get one bounce our way

MI Expat NY

October 9th, 2017 at 1:22 PM ^

Even the Interceptions, or more precisely, the lack thereof.  O'Korn's first probably isn't an interception 9 times out of 10, meanwhile we had a couple pass breakups that were nearly great interceptions.  And Lewerke had one throw in the flat that looked like it was a sure pick-6, much like Speight's second pick-6 against Florida, but MSU's TE barely got his fingertips on it, sending it over the head of our defender.  

MSU literally got every break in that game.   

Josh9676

October 9th, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^

Dantonio must either have a horse shoe up his ass or sold his soul to the devil. I have never seen a team get so many lucky breaks over and over again. Just this game I can think of:

All the bounces go their way on turnovers (both for and against)

A monsoon breaks out as soon as Michigan starts to get momentum in the 2nd half (typically the only time we do anything offensively)

The botched punt somehow manages to A) not go into the endzone and B) be recovered by the 1 spartan back there with 3 michigan players in the area.

Michigan decides to commit the most turnovers since... 2014 ND?

Our receivers get the worst case of the drops that I can't even remember the last time that was close (weather played a part here)

Michigan decides to call one of the worst offensive game plans (if you can even call it a game plan) while attempting to pass in an absolute downpour when nobody could catch a ball, let alone one of our receivers who are struggling to bring in passes in perfect weather conditions.