[Patrick Barron]

Namaste Comment Count

Brian October 10th, 2022 at 2:35 PM

10/8/2022 – Michigan 31, Indiana 10 – 6-0, 3-0 Big Ten

It was 10-10 and it was stupid. Like half the games against Indiana, it was stupid and dumb. At some point I saw a highlight from that Denard game against Indiana where IU would score on a 15-play march and then Denard would immediately run for a 70 yard touchdown. "God, that game was stupid," I thought. Flinging the ball in the general direction of Junior Hemingway and hoping something good would happen, sort of thing. Charting 120 defensive plays, sort of thing. Craig Roh playing linebacker, sort of thing.

Don't get me started about #chaosteam, or overtimes, or anything else. My IQ is already dropping precipitously. Any more exposure to Michigan-Indiana may render me unable to finish this column. (I would still be able to claim that MSU was defeated with dignity, if that was my purpose in life.)

I had hoped that a little JJ McCarthy-led mediation in the locker room would straighten things out. Michigan did suffer through a scary event when Mike Hart collapsed on the sideline. This is a completely valid reason you may not be executing football with military precision, even setting aside whatever dorfy bioweapon the Hoosiers perfected about ten years ago.

Those hopes seemed dashed when Michigan was inexplicably offsides on a short-yardage punt on which they didn't even bother to rush. A touchback turned into a punt downed at the two, and then Blake Corum committed a false start and Cornelius Johnson dropped something that was either a chunk play or a 96-yard touchdown. Johnson started hopping up and down near the sideline, veritably slobbering with self-rage. The slope downwards to black pits became very slippery.

JJ McCarthy said "namaste."

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[Barron]

That is immediately after the Johnson drop. He's signaling to his receiver: it's fine, it's fine, we'll get them on the next snap. And then they did. Conversion to Ronnie Bell, drive on. McCarthy took off for a first down on third and seven and hit Andrel Anthony and when he got some pressure he rolled away from it and dropped the ball back to Johnson on a drag route that had picked off the Indiana defender. Twenty nine yards later, Michigan led 17-10 and the stupidity started receding.

It was like being alone in a room, certain that the shadows were growing suckers and winding themselves into tentacles, when someone flicked the light on.

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It is of course one thing to do this against Tom Allen's band of overmatched maniacs who pour forward at the snap when there's any indication of a run, and another to do it against top-end defenses, particularly top-end defenses that are not paired with the most disastrous act of nepotism in recorded history.

Michigan gets one this week in Penn State, which now stands out as the last hurdle before… uh… Illinois and Ohio State at the end of the season. It will probably be fine. You can say "just Indiana," but the tail end of this piece blockquotes this week's Best and Worst, which contains a comprehensive overview of just how maddening this series has been. McCarthy more or less turned that off—yes, interception—halfway through a game that was threatening to spiral out of control further, into something competitive.

In these moments breath gets short and vision restricts into a tunnel. In the game threads reason is overthrown and madness prevails. It takes something to grab those others back from the abyss. Maybe you look at the smiley face you've drawn on your hand, and think about eating one raisin with every ounce of your attention. And then you can see again and you hear something other than a single ominous tone.

JJ McCarthy seems like the guy who does that.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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"I should have transferred to Stanford" [Barron]

you're the man now, dog-2535ac8789d1b499[1]

#1(T) Mike Morris, Eyabi Okie, Derrick Moore, Jaylen Harrell and Kris Jenkins. The story of the defense was Conor Bazelak getting crushed every time he tried to throw downfield. Seven sacks in this one; this spot was almost everyone who racked one up but the linebackers had some issues and McGregor only got ten snaps so some cuts were made and Kris Jenkins was added because he registered a couple QB hurries.

Uh, two points each.

#2 Ronnie Bell. 11 catches, a couple of them spectacular. He stabbed a toe down on Michigan's first drive; he wrestled away an interception on a badly thrown ball; he was the target on the key third down conversion that led to the 98-yard touchdown drive. Also blocked like a mountain goat for much of the game, paving the way for the Schoonmaker touchdown.

#3 JJ McCarthy. Narrowly pips Corum because Michigan needed him to drive the field in the second half and he did, with only the occasional mistake. 8.4 YPA, 28/36. Got some help from his receivers but also saw Cornelius Johnson drop what could have been a very, very long play. Ran fairly effectively.

Honorable mention: Well, yeah, Blake Corum. Luke Schoonmaker is heavily utilized in the passing game. Rod Moore came up with an important interception that he kept off the ground. Mike Sainristil had two PBUs and one solo tackle, which is good cornerbackin'. Mason Graham obliterated an OL for a stuff and snuffed out a screen.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

24: Blake Corum (#2 CSU, #2 Hawaii, HM UConn, #1 Maryland, #2 Iowa. HM Indiana)
18: JJ McCarthy (#1 Hawaii, #2 UConn, HM Maryland, HM Iowa, #3 Indiana)
15: Ronnie Bell (HM CSU, HM Hawaii, #1 UConn, #2 Indiana)
13: Mike Morris (T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, #1 Iowa, T1 Indiana)
12: Mazi Smith (#1 CSU, T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, HM Iowa)
8: Kris Jenkins (#3 UConn, T3 Hawaii, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana)
6: Gemon Green (HM UConn, T2 Maryland),
5: DJ Turner (T2 Maryland)
4: Junior Colson (#3 CSU, HM UConn), Eyabi Okie (HM CSU, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana), Luke Schoonmaker (T3 Maryland, HM Iowa, HM Indiana)
3: The Offensive Line (#3 Iowa), Derrick Moore (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Jaylen Harrell (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Mason Graham (HM Hawaii, HM Iowa, HM Indiana)
2: Roman Wilson (HM CSU, HM Hawaii), Max Bredeson (T3 Maryland), Joel Honigford (T3 Maryland), Mike Sainristil (HM Maryland, HM Indiana), Rod Moore (HM CSU, HM Indiana)
1: Braiden McGregor (HM CSU), Makari Paige (HM Hawaii), Rayshaun Benny (HM Hawaii), Cornelius Johnson (HM Hawaii), Donovan Edwards (HM Hawaii), AJ Henning (HM UConn),  Caden Kolesar (HM UConn), RJ Moten (HM Maryland).

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Blake Corum is briefly inhabited by the spirit of Barry Sanders.

Honorable mention: Gus Johnson invokes Bill Raftery after another ankle-killer from Corum. Any of seven different sacks. Rod Moore pulls an INT off the carpet. Cornelius Johnson, Luke Schoonmaker, and Ronnie Bell turn in circus catches.

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Connor Bazelak throws a back-foot artillery round that parabolas its way into his receivers hands to set up the only Indiana touchdown. I will never not be mad that was a completion.

Honorable mention: Dubious PF on Harrell for celebrating a sack, dubious PI on Turner to continue the Indiana TD drive, Michigan gets a field goal blocked, back-to-back false starts. McCarthy throws a pick after a great play from the Indiana LB. Many tipped run plays.

[After THE JUMP: STOP TIPPING PLAYS BY FORMATION]

OFFENSE

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[Barron]

I am losing my mind about pistol. Michigan has played three Big Ten games and has run 100% of the time out of the pistol formation. Tom Allen has always been a guy who dials up corner blitzes on tons of run downs, and here it looked like pistol was an auto-check to those. The first pistol run saw both corners come. Allen usually doesn't have the horses, so it makes sense for him to have a maniacally aggressive defense. Also because Allen doesn't have the horses he can usually rely on high-end opposition to save their tendency-breakers for other weeks.

This creates a situation that's the opposite of what happened last week against Iowa. Michigan could trundle out their very predictable playcalling and Iowa just would not respond, because Iowa. Indiana is going to punish you for that, which is why we were one bit of Corum magic away from a flatly terrible day on the ground. If Corum's 50 yard run gets the 2 it was blocked for we're looking at a 3.0 YPC game.

And things might even be worse than that!

The best time to break this tendency was before you established it. The second best time is now. This is likely to be an RPS disaster in the charting.

When controlled. Things went better for the Michigan ground game when they built in controls for the Indiana secondary. This is an RPO with a bubble attached and the bubble holds three defenders outside. Corner blitz fiesta neutered, Corum goes and gets a decent chunk:

Similarly, when Michigan ran basic waggle action Indiana was gone. McCarthy had three wide open guys on this chunk to Bell:

Literally all of these guys have uncontested catch and run opportunities:

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I thought Michigan would test the jumbo sets and see how they went; they went badly so they went to more of an RPO style, and that worked and then they didn't go back to it. This was a frustrating game tactically after three very good weeks.

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[Fuller]

Obligatory McCarthy take. Another day where you can remember virtually every incompletion and then you think "maybe he was not as metronomically efficient as in previous games" and then you look at the numbers:

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Ye gods. Now, his receivers helped him out in ways that they did not in previous outings. So far our receiver charting has been absurdly light on anything other than routine catches. Not the case here. Michigan came up with some snags. But then you add that Johnson drop in and, well… yeah. If he can just get back to the deep ball accuracy he had last year…

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[Fuller]

On the interception. This makes perfect sense presnap as you've got your #1 WR lined up as #3 to the field and you're looking at split safeties. Unless that Indiana linebacker—backup Indiana linebacker—is able to carry Ronnie Bell it's six. Oops!

On the replay you can see that this is right on Bell's facemask. To me this is a good presnap assumption that turns bad and McCarthy can't get off of it. As INTs go it's not an egregious BR*; he's not throwing it into someone's chest, he's suffering a PBU that happens to go the worst way possible.

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courtesy one tight end [Fuller]

Schoonmaker has gravity. Luke Schoonmaker has been targeted so much and so effectively that big chunks of the game-turning 98-yard march were due to Indiana defenders getting in his grill as other guys ran open. Those intermediate shots to Andrel Anthony both featured Schoonmaker's route drawing the key zone defender:

This is the complete opposite of what was happening on the ground. Michigan has a tendency to hit Schoonmaker underneath? Ok, now when you react to that we go behind your zone.

Dangit, Klatt. Yes, I will be checking in on Joel Klatt's assertion that Michigan has a second giant run/pass tip: motion. Klatt asserted that if Michigan went in motion it was almost always a run, and vice-versa if it was a pass.

Ban baseball slides, and don't wait for them to ban baseball slides. McCarthy ran it a bit here and did not immediately head out of bounds. Most of the time he just went to get what was there but on one first down keeper he slid down in front of a linebacker. That linebacker barely missed obliterating McCarthy in the head. Also that act gave up 3-4 yards that would have come in handy on third down when Luke Schoonmaker was 3-4 yards short of a first down.

All of the worst hits we see QBs take downfield are on baseball slides.

It is inevitable that this is going to keep happening because the baseball slide turns the natural tackling motion of a defender into a killshot. Harbaugh brought this up a few years ago when his QBs kept getting hit after sliding down, but never actually followed through with coaching a dive forward.

DEFENSE

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mmm back foot [Fuller]

The most annoying ten points you'll ever give up. Give Walt Bell credit: his offenses may not go anywhere, but by God do they convince you you're going to die. Michigan gave up 222 yards in this game and I spent a big chunk of it bemoaning what Michigan was doing out there. Get lined up! Why are you playing in the parking lot! Tackle! Get lined up! GET LINED UP! Aaaaaaaaargh.

/Indiana scores 10 points.

In fairness to Bell, I don't know what you're supposed to do when your offensive line is largely notional. Even the touchdown Michigan gave up required a dubious PI call and one of the more stupefying completions I've seen recently:

At that point just start heaving them up blindfolded. (This is more or less what Bazelak did.)

Colorado State caveats apply, but... This line was so bad that I'm not sure how much of this translates to Penn State, let alone Ohio State. On the other hand, I watched what I could of Eyabi Okie's FCS games and I sure as hell didn't see this:

Meanwhile Mike Morris is currently exceeding our "is Chris Wormley" take by turning in consistent pass rush wins, some of them on the outside, on a weekly basis. If Michigan can get to Sean Clifford semi-consistently next week it'll be time to re-evaluate.

Early issues. Aside from the Bazelak heave, Michigan's first-half yards ceded mostly came in two categories. One was waggle plays on which Michigan players frustratingly bit on. Indiana's ground game is close to nonexistent and they barely run stretch so watching linebackers and safeties suck up on rollouts was rough. Also rough: what are we doing screen passes. This one has two Michigan defenders over three Indiana players, and those defenders are in the parking lot:

This isn't even something you can put on tempo. The snap is at 21 seconds. It's just a free first down by alignment. Similarly, this is three guys against four Indiana players, and they're playing super-soft, with Turner bailing into a cover three deep third:

This got fixed in the second half and then the pass rush just obliterated Bazelak. By the end of the game he was just heaving the ball out of bounds without even bothering to try to stand in.

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[Barron]

Line reshuffle. Indiana provides a boatload of snaps for your defense, which necessitates rotation. Snap counts are thus a pretty good proxy for a depth chart. The state of things, without bothering with fine position distinctions that don't really seem to be materializing:

DE DT DT DE
Mike Morris (42) Mazi Smith (53) Kris Jenkins (52) Jaylen Harrell (36)
Eyabi Okie (32) Mason Graham (21) Rayshaun Benny(18) Derrick Moore (27)
Taylor Upshaw (10) Kenneth Grant (8) Cam Goode (4) Braiden McGregor (10)

Moore is just coming off a 5 snap outing against Iowa so this may be a bit wobbly, but you can definitely see Moore and Okie consolidating Taylor Upshaw's snaps and even eating into the time the starters get. This is close to an OR situation, and that's with Morris playing at a very high level in both phases.

Graham and Benny are clearly the second-string DTs after Goode got some early run. George Rooks has fallen off the radar—is he hurt?

Errors and nothing. Quite the dichotomy for the Indiana running backs. Each one got a decent run off: Jaylin Lucas had a 39-yarder, Shaun Shivers a 15-yarder, and Josh Henderson and 11-yarder. The other 15 Indiana carries went for exactly 1 YPC each.

Those errors, though. Going to be some –2s handed out by Seth to the LB corps in this one. Barrett got beat on a simple route to the flat for a touchdown because his first move was directly upfield; Colson was one of the guys biting on those waggles. I would like to rescind one slander I issued on the podcast on this Indiana chunk run:

I said Barrett messed this up but actually he's boned either way because he's the only Michigan player in two different gaps because Mazi got scooped and sealed out. The RB does a good job to threaten the inside gap and when Barrett understandably tries to get over to it he's done.

SPECIAL TEAMS

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[Barron]

Man who should know on blocked field goal. Zoltan Mesko:

You can see on the right side of the Indiana line they've got three guys who are attacking two Michigan OL:

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Point for Indiana's special teams coach.

As always, I am most concerned about what will happen to our FEIST rankings. Does Michigan get credit for blocking the Indiana chip shot, or does that get lumped in with opponent Field Goal efficiency, which does not apply to the overall ranking? (FWIW, Michigan was like 129th in thanks to Maryland's kicker.)

Almost. AJ Henning had two good cracks at a return here, breaking one out to midfield:

This was apparent in the Indiana punting stats—their guy does not get consistent hangtime. Let us all silently appreciate Brad Robbins.

MISCELLANEOUS

Devastating. I credit these guys with keeping the score close for most of the game:

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[Barron]

Hard to recover from that. Elsewhere in Indiana fans:

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[Barron]

This is every college football message board.

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cumong man [Fuller]

Celebration penalties are extremely suspicious. I am not hearing any old man complaints about how you shouldn't give the officials the opportunity to throw a flag on you. You cannot accurately predict what celebratory motion is going to be 15 yards and what's going to be fine. This week I retweeted Chase Winovich's "I AM GOING TO EAT MY OWN HEART" celebration, which was deemed legal. What's the difference between that and what Harrell did? Nothing. Did I hear any clucking from the "don't give them a chance" crowd after Winovich's celebration? No. What's the difference between Harrell's act and Cornelius Johnson throwing up an X with his forearms?

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[Barron]

Johnson could be making an X, because that's what they put on dead cartoons. This is a threat. Flag! Flaggity flag flag! Etc, etc. Jaylen Harrell didn't invite a flag more than anyone else did in this game. He just happened to get one. 

Save the throat slash stuff. There is no way this official actually thought Harrell was doing a throat slash, he's three feet away and looking him right in the face:

There aren't any celebration penalties in hockey and baseball. Why does football need them? Why does basketball need them? The penalties are a legacy of a "gang sign" moral panic from the 1980s. They are, in the parlance of our times, sus. It's time to let it go.

Outside of taunting someone in their face—which is likely to lead to shoving and the like and the occasional bench clearing brawl, especially if you are in Florida—you should be able to do whatever you want. It's a game. It should be fun.

Have to use your review. This looks like a first down to me:

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Since it's on the sideline and the yard markers are right there this is a spot review that can actually go your way—also the guy who spotted this ball is behind Bell and probably doesn't see the arm extension. If you're wrong you lose a timeout. If you're right you get a bonus possession.

Tom Allen grouses accurately. After the Johnson touchdown the cameras cut to an exasperated Tom Allen barking at a line judge and uhhhhhh

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May have a point there. Academic at that point—three minutes left with Indiana down 14 and completely unable to pass protect—but good lord these officials are in for a paddlin' from the league office.

HERE

Here's a take on the Michigan offense through the lens of the… Boer War?

The second week of December 1899, the British Army suffered three humiliating defeats at the battles of Stormberg, Magersfontein and Colenso. Thousands of British soldiers perished under the withering long range accuracy of the Boer Mausers. (Second time that rifle has appeared here!) The pack masses of British soldiers died in the ranks they had marched in. It was so bad, that at Colenso, British Infantry were said to have stood in ranks, dying, waiting for someone to tell them which rock to take cover behind. The defeats humiliated the British Army, and the Empire itself. But this story isn’t about the losses, it is about the lessons.

This:

Against This: Only ends one way.

I award this person 7500 Michigan War Dad points.

Best and Worst sums up the recent history of the Indiana series:

Now, if you just skim the final scores of these games you'd wonder why I'm so annoyed with the Hoosiers - Michigan is 61-10 against them all-time and have won 26-1 in the past 27 games. But basically since Carr left and IU became an agent of abject chaos they've typically been the root canal of football games to consume. The 2009 game ended on a simultaneous catch/pick and turned out to be the last win against an FBS team UM had that year as the defense absolutely cratered. 2010 required a huge performance by Denard to escape. They didn't play again until 2013, a game that ended 63-47 because nobody played a lick of defense (1300 combined yards) and nobody could stop Jeremy Gallon (a team-record 369 yards on 14 catches) or Devin Gardner (503 [!!!] yards and 2 TDs on 29 passes as well as 81 yards and 3 TDs on the ground). 2014 was uneventful because IU was starting a backup QB and neither team was particularly good (UM finished 5-7 and Hoke was out that off-seasons), but 2015 was absolutely bananas 48-41 double OT game where The Rudockening began. 2016 was the post Iowa game where there was some snow, John O'Korn (subbing in for an injured Wilton Speight) did the complete opposite of Rudock and threw for only 59 yards, and DeVeon Smith carried UM to a win. 2017 featured John O'Korn throwing for even fewer yards (58) and Michigan again winning in OT behind 200 yards from Higdon and in spite of 16 penalties for 141 yards, the most penalties UM has had in at least the past 20 years. 2018 felt not unlike this game in which Michigan was clearly the better team but kept scuttling offensively and settling for FGs and IU was able to string together a couple of drives in the first half to take the lead before UM asserted itself more in the second half and won comfortably. And 2019 was the last win of the year for the Wolverines, a comfortable plastering featuring 5 TD throws from Shea Patterson that, even in the moment, felt a bit like fool's gold. 2020 it was clear IU was the better team (and Joe Milton was decidedly not quite ready to be QB1) while 2021 was a reversal under center but was also the week after the MSU loss when feelings around the future of the team were still pretty raw and splintered.

So yeah, that's over a decade of angst and annoyance against the Hoosiers, a team that, again, Michigan has dominated but still gives them and outsized fight across a multitude of iterations.

State of Our Open Threads:

We will start with the most impressive statistic first - the 251 fucks given in the thread yesterday, which is adjusted some for attempts to inflate the total (although I sympathize with those people - I had a similar thought in the moment), is nearly double the 136 fucks given for the Iowa game. Although I don't do a quarter-by-quarter breakdown normally, I will tell you that much of those came in the second quarter, when it definitely seemed like it was going to be one of THOSE Indiana games, which should never really happen but somehow does because they do everything we aren't built for - at least for a half, before we get the Indiana version of turtling.

The performance of "shit" wasn't nearly as prolific, but yesterday's 122 shits given definitely bests the 93 given for Iowa, but notably, it is only slightly higher than the Maryland shits - 118, to be exact. Historically, the blog has managed about two fucks for one shit, but the gap is narrowing some this year, so with a different crowd and slightly elevated engagement in these threads, we're getting some different behavior. Coming off a season like the last one helps too, of course. Anyway, here's the "fuck" / "shit" trend:

Comments

Ballislife

October 10th, 2022 at 3:06 PM ^

I’m not sure how to feel about the outcome of this one. Shrug it off like the Northwestern win last year? Overanalyze and have a bit of BPONE kick in? I’m leaning towards the former due to the defense kicking it into overdrive in the 2nd half, but the way some things were kinda wonky throughout doesn’t inspire the most confidence going into the seasons toughest test on Saturday. 

BTB grad

October 10th, 2022 at 3:16 PM ^

As a South Asian: why would JJ have said namaste? It literally just means hi. It’d be like him saying “hola!”. So one would not say namaste to CJ in that instance to tell him to calm down, relax, or that it’s fine. Unless you were using it in the mistranslated/used out of context appropriated version of namaste that the western world has taken and made synonymous with doing yoga and “inner peace”.

On the celebrations: 100% agree. One of the most egregious examples of this was when Tarik Black got flagged for it in the 2019 MSU game for simply flexing his bicep.

Kermits Blue Key

October 10th, 2022 at 3:22 PM ^

I understand the Hart incident possibly causing the team to lose some of their focus. However, that’s not what I was seeing. We just kept trying to run against a defense that was selling out against it. At some point we need to have the ability/willingness to be a pass-first team. The margin of error is going to be much smaller in the second half of the season, and lighting an entire half on fire may actually burn us.

AlbanyBlue

October 10th, 2022 at 10:39 PM ^

Don't hold your breath. Harbaugh Michigan is Harbaugh Michigan.

When we went more pass-focused in the second half, we pulled away easily. It should have been that way for the whole game. I give them a pass due to the Coach Hart situation in this one, though.

Call the PSU game like the last 20 minutes of Indiana and things will be fine. Light downs on fire with obvious runs, trouble.

Mr. Elbel

October 10th, 2022 at 3:46 PM ^

I did see Harbaugh grab Johnson after that TD and seemed like he was suggesting he shouldn't do the X to the crowd thing. If you watch, Harbaugh says something, Cornelius makes the first gesture he made, and then Harbaugh made the X. Almost as if to say:

"hey maybe don't do that, you might get a penalty"
"don't do this?" gestures with hands
"no, don't do this" makes the X

Blue Vet

October 10th, 2022 at 3:28 PM ^

I did okay in school but I'd have graduated summa-magna-ultra cum laude under two conditions:

1. Each of my subjects was covered in as many different ways as MGoBlog covers games, and

2. I enjoyed reading each of those many different ways as much as I enjoy MGoBlog's many different ways.

taistreetsmyhero

October 10th, 2022 at 3:28 PM ^

There aren't any celebration penalties in hockey and baseball. Why does football need them? Why does basketball need them? The penalties are a legacy of a "gang sign" moral panic from the 1980s. They are, in the parlance of our times, sus. It's time to let it go.
 

Yes, please shout this from the rooftops.

Hannibal.

October 10th, 2022 at 3:39 PM ^

There is something unique about football when it comes to celebrations. 

In hockey, when you score a goal your teammates mob you after you maybe do a fist pump or some other upper body gesture for a few seconds.  You being on skates sort of limits what you can do.  The game is stopped for minute after a goal so you’re not delaying anything.  I can think of a few exceptions, but for the most part, I’ve never been annoyed by a dude calling attention to himself after scoring a goal. 

I can’t recall seeing gratuitous celebrations in baseball.  But I haven’t been a fan for a long time.  When a dude hits a home run, he trots around the bases, leaves the field of play, and celebrates with his teammates.  If baseball had a lot of guys start to do obnoxious wiggles or dances when they hit home runs then, I think that they would introduce a rule to stop it, but the sport hasn’t had that problem as best I can tell.   

LeCheezus

October 10th, 2022 at 3:53 PM ^

Go YouTube Yasiel Puig.  There were definitely some sensibilities shaken.  Not mine, because like most sensible people I watch baseball to fall asleep.

Also, guys who stop to admire their HR's or toss their bat dramatically get beaned ALL THE TIME in baseball.  Nobody makes a big deal about it because it's one of the dumb unwritten baseball rules where it's ok to throw a fastball at someone's head because reasons.

jpo

October 10th, 2022 at 4:36 PM ^

Two thoughts: in baseball players typically police celebrations. Enjoyed watching your home run? Well, enjoy this fastball in your ear.

That said, and I say this as someone who believes that all-too-often we too quickly resort to racial explanations, Brian is dead right about this one. Old white men throwing this flag on young black players is a bad look, and it’s more than “sus,” it’s flat-out wrong.

A flag should only be thrown under two circumstances: it immediately escalates, or it is designed to humiliate a specific player. Let these kids have some damned fun. They just made a big play in front of thousands of people and a television audience, and they’re supposed to retreat stoically back to the huddle? Absurd. 

J. Redux

October 11th, 2022 at 1:13 PM ^

That said, and I say this as someone who believes that all-too-often we too quickly resort to racial explanations, Brian is dead right about this one. Old white men throwing this flag on young black players is a bad look, and it’s more than “sus,” it’s flat-out wrong.

I'm not saying that this post violates the no-politics rule, but it's a little hard to rebut without violating said rule.  In that vain, I bite my thumb, but not at you, sir.

dragonchild

October 10th, 2022 at 5:10 PM ^

Shout at whom?  The B1G?  Good luck with that.

No one's defending the way things are, or disagreeing on how things should be.  We just know B1G refs are crap, and this is one thing we can actually do to mitigate.  Brian has written countless angry words for years on tendencies, reactions, and game theory, so his stubbornness here is baffling.  You know B1G refs suck, that is real intel in your hands, so after you get burned. . . keep taking completely unnecessary risks?  And he has the nerve to criticize Michigan's predictable playcalling?

The issue here isn't what should and shouldn't be called.  I don't see anyone who specifically thinks that what Harrell did was in any way inappropriate, offensive, or deserving of a flag (except for some tenuous arguments that the B1G official might've confused it for a throat slash, which is kind of understandable considering just how bad B1G officials are -- but that only reinforces my point).

I am not hearing any old man complaints about how you shouldn't give the officials the opportunity to throw a flag on you. You cannot accurately predict what celebratory motion is going to be 15 yards and what's going to be fine.

That you in fact "cannot accurately predict what celebratory motion is going to be 15 yards and what's going to be fine" is precisely why players need to be careful!  Michigan pulled away, so whew, but I do not want to see an avoidable penalty decide a close game.

If Brian wants to see people say it, yes, they should be able to celebrate.  Football is supposed to be fun.  Harrell did nothing wrong!  But what should be aside, fact is we live in a world with B1G officiating, so going back well over a decade, any time I see a Michigan player make any sort of celebratory gesture I hold my breath.  Yes, including all the examples Brian mentioned that didn't get flagged.  Frankly, it also rankles that Brian's now putting words in people's mouths just to be "right" about this.  I get nervous when I see Michigan players gesture because none of us can do anything about the state of B1G officiating, but you can control your own behavior.  So let's not die on that hill, yeah?

StopTheTate

October 10th, 2022 at 3:29 PM ^

As a computer engineering alum, I love that Zoltan's twitter feed is a mix of how to protect a field goal and why you should use snowflakeDB for your database architecture.

Hannibal.

October 10th, 2022 at 3:32 PM ^

You are wrong about the origin of crackdowns on football celebrations.  In the 1980s, celebrations were becoming gratuitous.  You had the Redskins Fun Bunch, the Mark Gastineau sack dance, the Ickey Woods shuffle, etc.  Spontaneous and natural displays of emotion had grown into routines and attention whoring.  College football really cracked down in the mid-90s, primarily because players were taking their helmets off on the field and that was getting out of control too.  It feels like a distant memory now, but if you watch games from 1994, you’ll see some players taking off their helmets frequently after scoring a TD or sacking the QB.  I remember Tyrone Wheatley doing it that year against Penn State.

With that said, the celebration call in this game was a close call.  If you watch games around the country, you’ll see that get flagged maybe a third of the time. But I wouldn’t say “never”. 

I’m not saying that I like it.  The spirit of a celebration rule should be to let players do things that come natural with the positive emotions of scoring a touchdown or some other big play The rule should prevent taunting and attention whoring.  Harrell’s quick celebration was definitely not that. 

Brimley

October 10th, 2022 at 4:08 PM ^

I'm with you on taunting, but don't care about attention whoring.  I'm an old man and I thought Chad Johnson doing a river dance was hilarious.  There's a big contrast between that and USC receivers slowing down and showing the ball to Michigan's DBs in the Rose Bowl.  One is fun and adds to the entertainment; one is asshole-y and sends a message that humiliating your opponent is a proper part of playing a damn game.

Brimley

October 11th, 2022 at 5:20 PM ^

2007 Rose Bowl.  One dude literally walked into the end zone after the Michigan DB fell at the 20 and another guy slowed down and showed the ball then OUR safety got flagged for knocking him on his ass one step into the end zone.  USC won the game because they were better that day.  They ruined it in my view with that bullshit.

CRISPed in the DIAG

October 10th, 2022 at 4:22 PM ^

I agree to a certain point re the angry old man stuff, but as a practical matter the celebrations were leading to fights and in some cases were taking a long time to complete. The Redskins *fun bunch* of TD celebrations usually involved 7 or 8 players and took for fucking ever. Same with Gastineau: he'd twirl around the field, regardless of the score and dodge OLs who wanted to take his head off. Everyone had to wait until the show subsided before resuming play.

Then came the Miami Hurricanes who just flat-out pointed at you while the play was going on. Naturally, their opponents weren't always amused. There was a great sequence in their 30 for 30 when the NCAA put out a video that used the Miami celebrations in their point of emphasis examples.

jpo

October 10th, 2022 at 4:43 PM ^

“Then came the Miami Hurricanes who just flat-out pointed at you while the play was going on. Naturally, their opponents weren't always amused.”

You mean like Hutch against OSU last year? Big freaking deal. It’s only a problem if you can’t back it up, and if you can’t you’re going to stop it pretty quickly. The players can take care of this, they don’t need officials to police it.

Hannibal.

October 10th, 2022 at 5:42 PM ^

"angry old man" is a low IQ take on the matter.  You don't have to be an angry old man to value sportsmanship, since sportsmanship embodies personality traits that we value highly in others, and poor sportsmanship embodies personality traits that we don't like in others.   Taunting and calling attention to oneself -- when they are taken to an extreme level -- are poor sportsmanship.   Regulating sportsmanship is a good thing.  Where you draw the lines is a tough call and should be open for debate.  I don't think that Harrell should have drawn a penalty, but that doesn't mean that the rule should go. 

For some reason "old man" has become an insult when it comes to any debate about values or tradition -- as if the people born after 1985 magically became smarter than their predecessors. 

J. Redux

October 11th, 2022 at 1:07 PM ^

Furthermore, it goes back to the fundamental question that we've been dodging for at least 15 years, since money really started to take over college athletics.

Why should the University of Michigan sponsor intercollegiate athletics?

At one point, the rationale was that playing sports taught important values that were necessary to produce a well-rounded adult -- leadership, team dynamics; fair play; dealing with adversity, handing success; the list goes on.  A lot of this gets channeled under "sportsmanship," but it's broader than that; you may remember the (likely apocrvaphyl) quote that "the battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton."

As college sports grew, and student athletes became increasingly athletes and less students, the rationale has frayed.  But if they're not going to teach sportsmanship -- if it's truly minor league professional football, with no attempt to educate or mold young men into future leaders -- why should it be attached to the university?

After seeing the video (I was at the game, so I didn't see what happened live), I had no problems with the penalty.  For one thing, if the implication is that the opponent is mucus, well, it's offensive. For another, it's an individual celebration, not a team celebration.