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Brian October 23rd, 2023 at 7:37 PM

Message board guy for the win. Designated NCAA leak recipient Pete Thamel has a new article out with some details that more or less confirm the post on our message board that I thought was credible when I posted on Friday. Thamel is an irritating writer who habitually writes his articles in such a way as to maximize the scandalousness of whatever's going on…

Stalions forwarded the tickets he bought to at least three different people in different areas of the country, sources say, which hints at the breadth of the operation.

…so I don't want to quote from it heavily. But the upshot is:

  • Stalions bought tickets to ~30 games at 11 Big Ten schools in his own name.
  • He sent those tickets to other people.
  • Those people taped the sidelines.

As Seth pointed out on Twitter, Thamel—or the person feeding him—seems to have misinterpreted an area of the NCAA bylaws that's meant to restrict what you can do on your own sideline. Also note that these games go back three years; Stalions was hired in May of 2022.

A precedent, but probably not particularly applicable. A message board poster dug up a Baylor infractions case from 2016 where an assistant coach attended a game of a future opponent and was handed a half-game suspension. The NCAA has traditionally been disinclined to do much about minor one-off issues, which are labeled "secondary violations" and get tit-for-tat punishments. They don't contribute in any way to a larger case of lack of institutional control. Most schools self-report a handful of these on an annual basis.

It seems clear that Stalions was engaging in an extended scheme to try to benefit Michigan football and this will not be handled as a secondary violation. But about that…

[After THE JUMP: mmm parsing]

Hooray for legalese. This is the internet, and it is specifically the Michigan internet, so we are overrun by lawyers parsing the NCAA rulebook and saying "welllllll…" The bylaw Michigan is accused of violating literally says only this: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." The end. Friend of blog Richard Hoeg:

Dan Wetzel has an article that goes into the gray areas:

No source has suggested that any Michigan staffers, assistants or athletic department employees were flying off to games to scout in person. Almost everyone, after all, has their own gameday duties. Plus, doing so would require a vast conspiracy including, almost assuredly, the athletic department accounting office reimbursing travel costs. …

Sources have said any information from in-person observation came from others. Who are they? It’s not known publicly, but perhaps friends, family, fans? Anyone willing — if you accept the allegations — to go to a game and acquire information.

In a legal sense — NCAA legal — would random people who knew a coach or Michigan staffer be considered representatives of Michigan’s athletic interests?

The bylaw against in-person scouting does not state who is prohibited from off-campus scouting. Could that mean everyone? Or only the coaching staff? Or athletic personnel also? When the rule was first enacted in 1994, no one could have envisioned cell phones filming sidelines. Or maybe no one could have considered anyone would have attempted to send some old friend to the game.

Or consider this: Every coaching staff in the country receives unsolicited emails from random fans offering free “advice” on how the team should play. If a coach opens an email from a fan — or runs into one at a coffee shop — who said he was at a previous game against this week’s opponent and notes they should exploit the Cover 2 defense, is that a violation?

If this gets into a heated NCAA case, expect the definition of who is and isn’t prohibited from scouting to be a big deal.

Personally I do not think that Stalions's sleight of hand is going to fly as a reason to let his scheme slide. I do think a competent Michigan defense ties up as many resources as possible arguing it.

The NCAA acknowledges this is not a major advantage. The rules committee actually considered repealing 11.6.1 a couple years ago. Their rationale:

Rationale: The Board of Directors Infractions Process Committee requested that the Legislative Committee Modernization of the Rules Subcommittee focus its rules modernization efforts on identifying rules that no longer serve the needs of the membership and the 21st century student-athlete, and recommending modifications to or the elimination of such rules. Specifically, livestreams of intercollegiate competition and prerecorded game film are readily available in the digital age. The minimal competitive advantage gained by scouting future opponents in-person is outweighed by the monitoring and enforcement burdens of ensuring compliance with the legislation.

Michigan's sign stealing operation already worked with available TV and all-22 tape plus past games against the same opponents; the additional benefit of Stalions's operation is unknowable but is probably minimal.

I doubt any of this gets traced any further up the chain than Stalions. "Is it plausible this guy was just BUYING TICKETS on his 55k salary HIMSELF?!?!" I mean, yes. Yes, Connor Stalions is the kind of Michigan superfan who would spend a bunch of his own money to help Michigan win in any way imaginable:

All through college, Connor spent summers and time off returning to Michigan to volunteer at U of M football camps and clinics. There was no vacation, just relentless pursuit of improving his coaching craft. He quickly befriended the assistant coaches and gained their trust because he was willing to do any work.  Upon graduating from the Naval Academy he was stationed at Camp Pendleton in San Diego for basic training. 

Connor knew he had to keep volunteering at Michigan to pursue his dream, so he had to find a way to make money to fund all of his volunteer work.  He bought a house near the airport and rented all its bedrooms on AirBnB while he slept on the couch. Then he realized he could shorten his commute if he just slept in the car.  So, he did and pocketed enough money to travel to every Michigan football game on his own dime to volunteer.  He did this for years and finally earned a full-time entry position as an offensive analyst.  

This is exactly the kind of person who would buy various tickets to Big Ten games so people he knows can film the sideline and his sign-stealing can be marginally more effective. Also, the fact that he bought them in his name reveals a sort of naivete that is less likely the higher this goes up the chain. It seems likely Stalions thought this would be okay if he didn't go himself.

There is not going to be a postseason ban, now or at any point in the future. The NCAA has probably issued its last-ever postseason ban when it blocked Oklahoma State from the NCAA tournament. Since, we've seen instances of a head coach literally, personally paying recruits and an FBI-sourced scheme to pay recruits to go to Kansas result in approximately nothing. LSU, NC State, Arizona, and perpetual offender Louisville also avoided any meaningful punishment.

The NCAA has not even issued a notice of allegations, and Michigan has 90 days to respond to one.

The prospect of the NCAA massively deviating from its recent infractions history to hammer Michigan outside the bounds of its own rules for a low-level staffer engaging in a practice the NCAA itself believes offers a "minimal competitive advantage" is so far beyond the bounds of credibility to strain credulity. If you are conspiracy-minded about the infractions committee being out to get Harbaugh, you should note that an equally credible conspiracy theory is that television executives would have a conniption fit if Michigan was banned from the postseason.

What's going to happen, in all likelihood: Stalions will be given a show cause, Michigan will be fined a surprisingly large amount of money, they will be given a lengthy probation, and that's it.

Comments

Caesar

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:01 PM ^

I feel so terrible for Stalions.

Dude worked incredibly hard to achieve his dream, he sacrificed like crazy, got his foot in the door, and he's going to get axed. 

I know the crapstorm this has caused, but he loved Michigan and didn't want any of that. Reading about his background made me really feel for the dude. 

Rochester Blue

October 24th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^

Disagree.  How do you know he knew this was a gray area, and didn't think this was legal?  They do it in High School.  They do it in the NFL.  My guess is he didn't get handed an NCAA rule book 2 years before joining the staff, and he just was trying to get as much data as he could to analyze.  And he couldn't get tickets from Michigan free, so he bought them and asked friends to record the sidelines.  Was probably just looking for a leg-up.  If he bought them under a different name, that would have indicated he's trying to be shady.  I don't think he's stupid or shady.  Just uninformed about rules and therefore no need to cover up.

I feel bad for the guy and at the same time wish he didn't do it (knowing now what we know).

Caesar

October 24th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^

There's no evidence that he was trying to prove something.

There is evidence that he was passionate and driven about his work. There is evidence that he was looking to create an edge for Michigan, and based on Brian's post, it seemed like he at least had some basis to believe that he was in the clear, rules-wise. 

Michigan Arrogance

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:43 PM ^

Naval academy. Idk, I’ve had brilliant students go the Annapolis and some kids who are… not so brilliant. 
 

I think this kid is a bit off his rocker, but to each their own. id be a little worried about self harm given his obsessive nature. Very strong WD vibes from this dude and that’s not a compliment. I mean why not get an Ed. Degree, coach HS somewhere and move up into college by early 30s?

FB Dive

October 23rd, 2023 at 9:16 PM ^

I feel so terrible for Stalions.

Yeah, I really don't. At best, he recklessly skirted the rules in an idiotic attempt to help, and at worst, he flagrantly broke them to advance his career. Regardless, he needlessly jeopardized the hard work of hundreds of players, coaches, and staff. We all make mistakes, but his mistake is going to hurt a ton of people who haven't done anything wrong.

Caesar

October 24th, 2023 at 12:40 PM ^

As Brian's post shows, his attempt to help was at least reasonably construed to be within the rules, and I don't think it's idiotic to seek out some edge in a highly-competitive market. 

What we can infer safely is that he cared a bunch for Michigan and wanted the team to succeed. 

Perkis-Size Me

October 24th, 2023 at 9:09 AM ^

I don't. And I don't think anyone involved with the program or supporting it should feel bad for him, either.

His stupidity has jeopardized everything Michigan has built over the last two years, and its stained the legacy and reputation of the players who have come in here, worked their tails off, and done what they were asked to do. Guys like Hutch, Sainristil, Corum, McCarthy, guys we all know and love. They're now going to be looked at as a bunch of cheaters who only got their results because they played for a program that (allegedly) has cheated. 

He may not have meant to cause the program any harm, but just because someone unintentionally sets your house on fire because of something incredibly stupid that they did, does not mean you should feel bad for them or excuse that stupidity. 

His choices have potentially ruined the legacy of a lot of people. Perhaps irreparably. I don't feel bad for him. He should've known better, and even if he didn't know what the rules were, he should've sat down and read the NCAA rule book to find out if what he was doing was breaking the rules or not. When you want to be involved with a program of Michigan's magnitude, you can't afford any f**kups, and that's what he did. He f**cked up. And what's worse is that he's a Marine.

Like.....even just from an ETHICAL standpoint, how the hell do you not know any better? I don't care that he was just trying to help or that he was trying to "cut his teeth" and make it in the coaching world. He's potentially set Michigan's whole house on fire. He deserves to be called out for that. He's disgraced himself, this program, and more importantly, the people who work and play for it. If he never went to another Michigan football game, ever, I'd be okay with it. 

Caesar

October 24th, 2023 at 12:45 PM ^

As Brian's post highlights, there is at least a reasonable belief that his activities, depending on how they were executed, did not constitute a clear violation of the rules. For me, this would mean that he wasn't acting stupidly.

The rabble is piling on Michigan right now, but if you take Brian's post at face-value, this seems unlikely to create any serious sanctions. This is why I view your thoughts on ruining legacies, &c. as hyperbolic, and in any case, something that can't be assessed for several years. 

I personally have no ethical issue in finding an edge within the rules (which he reasonably construed his actions to be within), especially in dirty and competitive markets like college football.
 

J. Redux

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:53 PM ^

Jay, while I agree that, in time, our team will be most triumphant, the truth is that Michigan will never be a super team until we have J.J. McCarthy at quarterback.

Yes, Dad, but I do not believe we will get J.J. McCarthy until we have a James Earl James video.

How can we get a James Earl Jones video before we even have decent scoreboards?

How can we have decent scoreboards when we don't even have an annoying emcee?

That is why we need J.J. McCarthy!

And that is why we need a James Earl Jones video!

{together} Excellent!

 

AnxietyRules

October 23rd, 2023 at 10:54 PM ^

The annoying emcee is bonkers to me.  Went to the UNLV game - first time in the stadium in 16 years - and while a lot of stuff was different, I loved the experience and felt the atmosphere was improved overall.  Especially student participation and volume.  

But then every time they cut to the MC on the scoreboard for a segment, I just didn't get it.  Who is that guy?  Why are we listening to him instead of Carl Grapentine?  What is his redeeming social value? 

Thanks for explaining, J. :-)

njvictor

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:02 PM ^

The thing that is really pissing me off right now is the people who are now acting like sending scouts to games actually gives us that much of a competitive advantage. Like it's the difference between watching a game in person vs on TV. It's really not that big of a difference. The only reason this stupid rule still exists (it was almost thrown in the trash in 2021) is supposedly because small schools can't afford to send scouts to games in person. However, in the age of NIL and revenue sharing, the notion that anyone gives a shit about the financial means of smaller schools is frankly laughable and disingenuous. The age of people caring about schools financial means giving them a competitive advantage is long gone

Yeoman

October 23rd, 2023 at 9:10 PM ^

I'm sure I'm missing something, but this notion that small FBS schools can't afford to scout seems odd. My high school scouts its next opponent and our budget's so small the head coach had to do a gofundme just to scrounge funds for gatorade at practices.

I get that travel expenses are a lot more when you're going out of state instead of driving to the other end of the county, but still....

GoBlueZ06

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:04 PM ^

In a sea of blatant and outright insipid concern trolling (Hi Mike Spath!) I really appreciate this kind of level-headed approach and discussion, thank you Brian.

bronxblue

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:07 PM ^

This mostly tracks with my understanding.  I do think the Stalions slight of hand matters if the NCAA tries to exceed what is a reasonable punishment - when you poorly define terms in a rule you open yourself up to interpretations both for and against your interests, and the fact this guy didn't explicitly record these games could matter before a non-NCAA trier of fact.

But yeah, as more info has come out this isn't a good look for UM.  I doubt it went above Stalions but he's going to eat the brunt of the damage in terms of his coaching career, and there's a non-zero chance Harbaugh leaves after this season with a title and a big Fuck You to these NCAA weirdos.

The long tail part of this whole process will likely be the NCAA making this no longer a violation and a bunch of other schools being happy they weren't the ones being caught.  Because I have a hard time believing UM is unique in having an obsessed fan doing something like this.

4th phase

October 24th, 2023 at 11:01 AM ^

I know that some people have used that as a reason Michigan lost to TCU, but it doesnt hold up on further examination. TCU was a projected playoff team and Michigan's most likely opponent from the start of November. He had at least 3 games, and definitely could have sent someone to the Big 12 championship when it was gauranteed Michigan would play TCU.

Goblue89

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:10 PM ^

Doesn’t this only become a thing if they find actual videos on his computer/phone? I’m not naive and believe he bought tickets for friends to film the sidelines but unless/until the NCAA finds those videos how can they punish Michigan in anyway that will hold up should Michigan take legal action? Right now all we have is a staffer purchasing tickets for others (not illegal) and alleged stadium surveillance videos of those friends filming (again not illegal). If that’s all the evidence that comes out how can you punish Michigan based on assumptions even if it looks guilty as hell. I’m sure this will all be moot in a few days when we find out they have the videos but finding the actual videos seems like the key to me. 

dragonchild

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:33 PM ^

This isn’t a court of law. Not even the NCAA follows its own rules so in terms of what they’re capable of, they could give Michigan the death penalty tomorrow “just because”.

They won’t, but not because they have any respect for institutions. They’re cowards who only care about money and, as Brian says, TV doesn’t want them do anything meaningful anymore. So they’re going to make a lot of annoying noises for a long time before slapping Michigan’s wrists harder than usual.

4th phase

October 24th, 2023 at 11:04 AM ^

Yeah I don't believe they do nothing. But I think the punishment for this is going to come far in the future. Kansas was punished after 6 years. At Tennessee they waited until Pruitt was gone. Even some of the more series things like PSU, they waited until JoePa died to enact punishment. They aren't going to punish Michigan this year. They will wait a few years until Michigan is projected to be in a rebuilding year anyway, then do some performative punishment and claim victory. 

Rufus X

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:11 PM ^

Sorry to be blunt, but jock-sniffing wannabe's like this jackass doing stuff like this are just so predictable. While the program isn't guilty of anything, this loser Stanions is.  He no doubt thought he was doing some noble duty when in fact he damaged the very program he worshipped.  Fire him, ban him from all future M athletic events, throw him under the bus in the media, cut him loose. It's the only way to deter future morons like him from doing stuff like this again.

And if any coaches were aware that he was up to this garbage, they should be suspended or fired, depending on how involved they were in coordinating or encouraging it.  What a waste of time, energy, resources, and - most importantly - reputation.

btn

October 23rd, 2023 at 8:13 PM ^

The real question I think is what the conference will do

All the leaks started once the NCAA informed the Big Ten, and all the current leaks involve solely Big Ten schools 

Would not be surprised to see an attempt among some Big Ten members who end in State to prevent Michigan from playing in this years B1G title game