MGoPodcast 11.12: It's Over
1 hour and 55 minutes
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1. The State of State and the Offense
starts at 1:00
It's over. Without the most unlikely finish in the history of football, Dantonio is 1-4 against Michigan, and that win is with five interceptions from John O'Korn. They lose the best parts of this team, their recruiting is worse than Tulane, and he's about to sit for a deposition. Who's taking over? Secret Santa to decide who's offensive coordinator.
After the shaky start they score on every drive. A relief to see Michigan come into a game like this and attack the secondary. Patterson buys time productively. Feeling good about Gattis now, which is important: can't keep going through coordinators. Counterpunches to the way MSU plays so aggressively against the run. Flare screens put LBs in conflict. Cornelius Johnson: brilliant play design. Guz Malzahn ran that play to beat Alabama. DPJ dumpoffs working because Sparty safeties are not 5-star athletes. Transcontinental: shoulda thrown it to McKeon. MSU's top tacklers were all in the back seven.
2. Defense and the Flags
starts at 30:03
First late hit on DPJ was not a late hit. Aiden Hutchinson gets a PF for one shove in a mess around the goalie. Cody White and Luke Campbell got PFs for the same play: White got it for taunting. Black got one for flexing at nobody. Lavert Hill: one arm flex is okay even if you stop the play on purpose to do it. Jacub Panasiuk is the guy who on two separate instances tried to get Michigan injured: twisted Higdon's leg (Higdon got flagged) and tried to break Ruiz's ACL (Onwenu got flagged) last year.
Defense: says something that MSU's first play (and one of their better ones) was a backwards pass they fumbled. Max run by MSU is 4 yards—Michigan's defense this year isn't a TFL fest but they make it work by being stingy after a yard. Khaleke Hudson shatter machine tag: reactivated.
They got off the bus with their helmets on. Is that not the most little brother thing? Are they going to get out of bed with their helmets on? Sonny the equipment manager designed the pants and had a Bo hat on the statue while the game was on. Brian: I just thought they took Giles Jackson's pants. MOVE! and line shift worked again, turned a 4th and 1 into a punt block. Seniors are unloading on MSU on Twitter. Ambry Thomas is literally undefeated against blocks when this is what we were concerned about coming out of high school and he had the stomach issue. Dax Hill DPI: receiver is fighting to get somewhere but it's not the ball: Dax has won over the top of the route. Especially frustrating coming off the PI they didn't call on Nico. #FreeJulianBarnett
3. Hot Takes, Special Teams, Game Theory, and Hoops
starts at 58:15
I need you to be as angry as a Panasiuk down 38 points. Fixing the environment in Crisler by filling the lower bowl. Harbaugh's WWE-style callout. Khaleke Hudson passes Marquise Walker as the greatest punt-blocker in Michigan history. Used Giles Jackson well in this game. Game Theory: 4th and 3 was a good idea, got a DPI, not M's fault it wasn't flagged.
Creighton: M managed to slow the game down. Nunez defensive liability, can see his shooting, is a placeholder for Franz. Eli Brooks is a trend. DDJ is coming on. Want to be up-tempo but Pink Teske problem nerfs that. Played Bajema.
4. Around the Big Ten wsg Jamie Mac
starts at 1:35:06
Flexing with one arm to avoid a personal foul. Northwestern won by 39, line moved to under that but if you got it on 40 you were brutally wrong. Iowa fluked away the Gophers. Jonathan Taylor has reached the records part of the season. The 21 points to Rutgers is the most Ohio State has given up all year. Johnny Langan even got a 1st quarter TD.
MUSIC:
- "That's Where You're Wrong"—Arctic Monkeys
- "Humble"—Kendrick Lamar
- "God's Gonna Cut You Down"–Johnny Cash
- “Across 110th Street”
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Mark Dantonio come back out of the tunnel you coward and hear me bury you
November 18th, 2019 at 7:55 AM ^
One minor but interesting special teams item - on our first punt, Sowards called for a fair catch, but the ball bounced in front of him and went right to him on a nice easy bounce. He fielded it and stopped playing. Michigan tackled him. He then got up and complained to the ref. Why? BECAUSE A SIXTH YEAR SENIOR AT MSU THAT IS AT LEAST IN HIS SECOND YEAR RETURNING PUNTS didn't know that a punt that hits the ground negates your fair catch signal. Just, wow.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:08 AM ^
Is he the same guy that let a kickoff go over his head, but it just barely made it into the end zone?
November 18th, 2019 at 1:18 PM ^
I saw that. The refs blew it dead before it stopped bouncing. I was surprised on both accounts.
Don't think it was the same guy though.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:11 AM ^
I noticed that too. Unbelievable... that's like punt return 101. Don't let the ball hit the ground, don't field inside your 10 yard line.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:00 AM ^
What the ref try to explain it to him was hilarious too.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:41 AM ^
that was crazy wasn't it?
he was dumbfounded (dumb) not to know that you can't call fair catch on a ball that hits the turf since you didn't CATCH it in the air.
idiot
November 18th, 2019 at 8:10 AM ^
Why do people perpetuate this myth O’Korn threw 5 interceptions against MSU in 2017? He did not throw 5.....or 4.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:48 AM ^
Yeah, somewhere along the way someone started incorrectly stating Michigan's total turnover count (5) as O'Korn's interception total (which was 3, not 5). People seem to forget that Ty Isaac and Sean McKeon each had a fumble in a brutal spot (Isaac's as Michigan was nearing midfield and McKeon's as Michigan was moving deep into MSU territory just before halftime).
November 18th, 2019 at 10:47 AM ^
yep,
I seem to recall on one of O'Korn's interceptions he dropped the snap first which blew up the timing of the play and then threw a duck to a sparti standing near our WR, he had 3 interceptions and actually threw a perfect ball to one of our WRs (Maybe Crawford? I know the kid transfer later) who dropped it with no DB within 5 yards right before the hail mary that actually could have scored had he caught it and turned up field or at least got out of bounds inside the 20 so we wouldn't have been throwing a hail mary for the last play of the game.
O'Korn was bad in that game but others did their share to contribute to that loss in 17.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:52 AM ^
Believe that was McDoom.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:53 AM ^
The same reason that they perpetuate the myth that the loss in 2015 was “bad luck” or a “fluke”.
November 18th, 2019 at 12:22 PM ^
That isn’t a myth, Sparty.
November 18th, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^
Reminder that DeepBlueC is a Sparty troll
November 18th, 2019 at 1:23 PM ^
Yes because one of the most unlikely plays in college football history was not a fluke.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:21 AM ^
Be right back I'm going over to twitter to change my bio to read, "Violently pro bubble screen."
November 18th, 2019 at 8:37 AM ^
Poor Damn Ronnie Bell. 9 catches for 150 and not even a mention in the offense section??
I'm assuming the guys are just trying to keep him of the NFL radar.
November 18th, 2019 at 12:41 PM ^
They talked about his YAC, didn't they?
November 19th, 2019 at 8:58 AM ^
He can be on the NFL radar all he wants. He's a true sophomore and can't go pro until after next season anyway.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:50 AM ^
Dantonio would not be 1-4 vs Michigan - i think you meant Harbaugh there. But yeah, we get what you mean.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:58 AM ^
I did not give a crap about not landing Dobbs. But man, i wish we would have landed #FreeJulianBarnett. I wonder if this kid hits the transfer portal, or if he just always bled green and white and will stay through the shit-show.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:18 AM ^
1) While Harbaugh calling out Dantonio in a trolling way would have been glorious and in character, it's probably for the best that he did not. But maybe he will today, it's not too late.
2) I miss the days where we stuck Paul Bunyan in a broom closet but understand that things evolve and now we parade him around the field like the Jug. With this being the case, outfitting him in maize pants is incredible one-upmanship. Would like to add a jersey for full uniform. In 17 years or so when MSU wins him back, are they going to have to spend three minutes undressing him first? That will be amusing.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:37 AM ^
It likely WOULD take 3 minutes to get those pants off . . . and I'd like to be there playing some Barry White to make it extra awkward for them.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:24 AM ^
After listening to the "Haskins-Cat" discussion, I wonder how feasible it would be to work Barrett into that spot for next year. Assuming he is the next in line to be Viper, it could be a little complicated from a practice time perspective, but he has shown the ability to run and pass out of fake punts, so I feel like he would be an ideal option in that spot.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:25 AM ^
I see in the second half hour that the podcast participants aren't able to distinguish between a Personal Foul and an Unsportsmanlike Conduct. It's actually an important distinction.
* A "personal foul" is given for something that happens during play or immediately after the play--roughing the passer, late hit out of bounds, face masking, etc. The referee signals by making a chopping motion with his right hand onto his left wrist.
* An "unsportsmanlike conduct" is given for something that happens well after the play--taunting, "flexing" (apparently), etc. The referee signals by holding his arms out to the sides, palms down.
The reason it's important to distinguish is that two unsportsmanlike fouls get you ejected, but no limit exists to personal fouls, unless they are flagrant.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:53 AM ^
This feels like the end of an era for a coach, but everyone's forgetting one thing: this is Michigan State, where there is a culture of no accountability at all, and keeping people around long after the point where it would be obvious to anyone else that you should replace them ASAP. It's not in Dantini's arrogant personality to retire at the bottom, and it's not in MSU's DNA to fire him.
I'm betting on Danteauxnieaux being the football coach at MSU in 2020.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:08 AM ^
I hope he stays on, not because I feel like they could get someone good to come in as coach, but because UM owes him a couple more ass kickings. He should walk away while he can because the next couple of games could be even worse beatings.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:32 AM ^
Michigan fans will fill up the stadium in East Lansing next year. I know I'll be there.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:54 AM ^
Honestly they might be better off keeping Dantini one more season. I don’t think the new president of the university will hire a real athletic director until sometime in 2020. I wouldn’t trust Beekman to make a good hire. Of course maybe it would help Michigan to have Beekman make the hire because it would most likely be their version of RR or Hoke.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:05 AM ^
Yeah, Beekman would just promote Mike Tressel, and we'd all probably just mark down a five year winning streak right off the bat if that happened.
November 18th, 2019 at 12:08 PM ^
I talked to a guy who heard from a guy that he's leaving.
November 18th, 2019 at 2:20 PM ^
I am OK with it if he is the coach in 2020, beating them up in that 2nd rate stadium is a fun time.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:53 AM ^
Interestingly, without horrid luck in two games and O'Korn's remarkably inept quarterbacking, Harbaugh would be 5-0 against MSU and 2-2 against OSU. And that's after taking over a program in shambles.
The narrative about his lack success against rivals is pretty thin.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:10 AM ^
I have to say that this merciless mocking of Michigan State is beneath us as a university and a community. In these times of strife and division, it would do well to not dwell upon our differences, but rather celebrate that which we have in common - and the truth is that both Michigan and MSU have more in common than we might think:
Neither of us beat our rivals last Saturday.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^
LMAO, you had going WTF until the end there. Well played.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:39 AM ^
Spending significantly more time talking about Tarik Black than Ronnie Bell in this podcast is...something
November 18th, 2019 at 10:42 AM ^
Regarding the Haskins’ Wildcat formation: I move to call it “The Wolverine” formation, because Northwestern.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:51 AM ^
The scene during hot takes
November 18th, 2019 at 11:35 AM ^
A couple basketball thoughts:
1) I don't think the goal was ever to RS Bajema. Basketball has not adopted the 4 game RS like football, or some equivalent, so even 1 minute of playing time means no RS unless an injury occurs. Unless you think Bajema was never going to step onto the court all year, he wasn't going to RS. Howard even "brushed aside the notion" postgame according to UMHoops. Unless Bajema gets hurt, I would assume he'll continue to get garbage minutes with the hope that he becomes a viable 9/10th guy off the bench later in the season.
2) Brian's take of lets not play in Atlantis is bad. Yes it's a weird ballroom gym type situation, but year in and year out it's the best or 2nd best preseason tournament (which all take place Thanksgiving week), with Maui being the other. This year it's probably best since Maui is in a Chaminade year and has a down VT and UGA as P5 teams involved. Every year since Atlantis has been a thing, minus its initial iteration in 2011, it has had at least 6 P5/big name high major teams, and most years has had at least 3/4 ranked teams play in it. Playing in tournaments like this are a huge help to the non-con SOS, give us fun and big time games with a chance to get big time non con wins, and help continually establish Michigan as a big name basketball school that can headline these events.
Unless you wanna play in Mohegan Sun against GW and Providence like last year, this is what you want. The other option is to be like OSU who is skipping a preseason tourney. Because of the B1G/ACC challenge and Gavitt Games they play Villanova and UNC, and then the CBS Sports Classic gives them Kentucky, but besides that they play a bunch of body bag games and WVU. And considering we're not part of the CBS Sports Classic, and that the Gavitt Games only last until 2022 and we've played 3 of our 4 times, we need tournaments like this to not have a joke non con schedule.
Also offense there last year was depressed since the event was headlined by UVA, Wisconsin and Florida.
November 18th, 2019 at 1:02 PM ^
I never knew I needed to go to a neutral site Rutgers vs Northwestern game, just to people watch...
November 18th, 2019 at 1:32 PM ^
This blog generally overrates redshirts, especially in basketball. The number of truly impact 5th year guys is pretty low
November 18th, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^
Hey Cook, whats this Free Julian Barnett ? He chose them over us... All things considered, thats a massive character flaw to choose Dantonio in-state.
And you missed a golden opportunity to add the ELO song It's Over in the write-up !!!!! Its not too late to edit the post and add it !!!
November 18th, 2019 at 10:20 PM ^
Fuck yes, Johny Cash ... is all world
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTCS6aWRSc
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