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Let's Start Again: Power Forward Comment Count

Brian May 5th, 2021 at 4:52 PM

Previously: center.

ROSTER

Brandon Johns (Sr.): Athletic enigma has been on cusp of breakout for entire career. Performed well in extended Livers absences as sophomore and junior. Quality three-point stroke (35%) but low volume; contests at rim; gets after offensive rebounds.

Moussa Diabate (Fr.): Is getting more than 15 MPG so chunk of those will come at the 4. Offensive viability may depend on one of Dickinson/Diabate getting three point range; defensive viability looks, uh, good.

Terrance Williams (So.): Undersized junkyard dog type needs to fix his shot but had his moments, particularly while feeding former AAU teammate Dickinson down low. Probably in line for scattered minutes in preparation for bigger role as upperclassman.

Caleb Houstan (Fr.): Primarily addressed as a 3 but has the size to play the 4 if necessary.

Will Tschetter (Fr.): Assumption around these parts is that Tschetter will redshirt, or get very limited minutes, since he's coming out of small-school Minnesota basketball. But he is a 6'8", 245 pound shooter so he could break through even if he's limited defensively. 

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

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What does a season of Big Minutes Brandon Johns look like?

I think this post makes it official: Big Minutes Brandon Johns is an MGoBlog hobbyhorse. Johns's production as a 10 MPG backup has been sporadic, but when forced into larger roles by Isaiah Livers injuries over the past couple years he's been effective. This was most succinctly summarized in the aftermath of the Penn State game:

Johns oscillates wildly. Brandon Johns had a rough game to the point where Michigan inserted Terrance Williams late when they wanted to switch everything, but even in there he had a number of defensive possessions where he was excellent against pick and roll and able to contest without fouling. If he can just get his feet under him and not, you know, commit four turnovers in 14 minutes Michigan might have something there.

This situation feels a lot like early Eli Brooks. This Brooks is unrecognizable compared to the sophomore and even junior version. That version went through long stretches where he felt almost unplayable because the ball would get to his hands and possessions would die there due to his uncertainty and lack of confidence. This version of Brooks is attacking the basket when appropriate and has a hair trigger from three when he gets a look.

So it does happen. Johns himself had a stretch in the middle of conference play last year that felt like a breakout, and then he turned back into a very athletic pumpkin.

This continued for much of the Big Ten season, and then Isaiah Livers got hurt. That also happened last year, and in there we have a fairly large sample size of significant minutes for Johns. He had at least 18 in all but four games and started 10. His numbers over that span:

  • 15% usage
  • 6.6 OREB rate
  • 11 TO rate
  • 30/47 shooting from two (64%)
  • 19/50 from three (38%)
  • 40 FT rate, 35/39 from the line (64%).

That added up to a 119 ORTG. Not bad for a guy labeled a perpetual enigma. Last year's closing stretch was also without Livers; Johns didn't shoot that well but got to the line a ton and put up a 111 ORTG on significantly higher usage. You can work with this:

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You can especially work with it if Johns gets a little more aggressive about his perimeter shot. He's hit 35% of his threes over the course of his career but he went from a 60-40 split between twos and threes last year to 75-25. More willingness to shoot should help his TO rate, which spiked last year, without hurting his eFG much.

[After THE JUMP: moon man and junkyard dog]

Johns projects as a solid third banana, taking advantage of advantageous spots to get his own offense and creating a few shots for himself and others. Finding someone in the guard spots to be #2 to Dickinson's #1 is important to keep Johns from being relied on too heavily, which may lead to stretches where confidence is lacking and turnovers frequent.

Evaluating Johns on defense is a trickier proposition, because you can punch in some on/off splits that look pretty good and some that look pretty bad. He got jerked from PF to C quite a bit over his first few years in Ann Arbor, which resulted in a lot of mental breakdowns since Johns didn't have a good grasp of either spot. Unfortunately, this is a spot where Hoop Lens doesn't quite have the granularity to give you a great answer with our traditional "screenshot all the things" approach, but a glimpse at his sophomore year:

  • 2019-20 PPP with Teske and Johns on the court: 0.95
  • 2019-20 PPP with Teske on, Johns off: 0.92
  • 2019-20 PPP with Johns on, Teske/Davis/Castleton off: 1.06

That latter is just 70 possessions but it does feature an eight point 2P% gap (54% with Johns at C, 46% with Johns otherwise). Johns emphatically erased that last year:

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Johns isn't likely to play much center but those numbers are indicative of a guy who figured out where he was supposed to be. And when Johns was in the right spot under the basket, his ability to contest was impressive.

Johns presence next to the starting center did not occasion a meaningful drop in PPP allowed or two point %, unlike last year. It seems like he's figured it out—mostly, there were occasional mix-ups even last year—and that his athleticism makes him break even, more or less, with Livers and/or Wagner.

Uh, repetitive question about Diabate?

Diabate is likely to play some four, probably for half or more of his minutes. The general outline of those minutes was already discussed in the post about center, where it was theorized that Johns projecting to start at the four means that all three candidates for major minutes at the spot are going to have post game and that we'd be seeing an awful lot of high-low action. It is suggested it'll be fine:

When Brandon Johns took over the starting job at the 4, things were suddenly reminiscent of the Jordan Murphy/Daniel Oturu Minnesota teams. (Minus Richard Pitino looking pained at the general higgeldy-piggeldy unfolding in front of his face.) Michigan ran a ton of high-low post sets that were generally effective.

That was an on-the-fly adjustment to an injury. Now Michigan has an entire offseason planning around the fact that they're going to have two effective post scorers on the floor at all times. The high-low install and repetition is going to be relentless, and that's going to give those twin towers lineups more viability.

There isn't a whole lot to expand on here since we're dealing with an incoming freshman who hasn't established a baseline of college performance—and also Diabate's game has expanded rapidly over the past year and doesn't seem set to stop. Matt D's latest video of him catches him with a smooth face-up 15-footer early in this clip:

It's not likely that he's a good option from three in year one—and there's probably not going to be a year two—but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he's a decent one. Dickinson also might be able to develop his game to add a little stretch. He definitely has an elbow jumper, and there was that tantalizing practice video embedded in the previous post.

Meanwhile there are no questions about whether Diabate can check college 4s. He can probably check college anything. If the offense functions while Diabate and Dickinson are on the court together, forget about it.

What can Terrance Williams offer?

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Largely depends on his shooting. Last year teams sagged off him and the offense tended to bog down. Ace grabbed a representative screenshot:

Going 1/14 from three will do that. Folks started saying things like "he's open for a reason" as this happened, but coming in it was expected that Williams would be at least a decent shooter. Matt D:

Known for his ability to overpower defenders to the rim, Terrance did not disappoint. On several occasions, Williams bullied defenders to the rim with one hard dribble before finishing with good body control or stopping on a dime and hitting defenders with the up-and-under to get a clean look. We were really impressed with the DMV-area natives perimeter shotmaking. Terrance looked extremely comfortable knocking down shots from distance off the catch and midrange pull-ups off the bounce.

It is notoriously difficult to get anything but counting stats from high school games, and I can't find anything for Williams except some EYBL numbers. FWIW, he went 12/25 from three and 29/35 from the line in 149 minutes. This sample is small, but about twice as big as his freshman year sample.

Don't write him off as a perimeter option just yet. It's common for sparingly-used freshmen to put up ugly shooting numbers. Freshman Brooks from 3: 25%. David DeJulius was 1/15 as a freshman and hit 36% on 83 attempts the next year. (He fell back to the Bad Place on a horrible, horrible Cincinnati team this year.) Moe Wagner was 2/11 as a freshman. Guys who don't get their feet under them and often play in weird or end-of-bench lineups don't have shooting numbers that we should put a ton of stock in.

Williams was limited to just over two games worth of possessions in our typical Big Ten + tourney + Toledo slice of last year, so statistical conclusions are hard to draw. FWIW:

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Michigan migrated more of its shots to beyond the three point line at the same time they experienced a dive in efficiency out there, which is part Williams actually shooting and part a reduction in the quality of shots Michigan was getting off—also note a significant dip in FT rate.

The defensive numbers are an anomaly since no one person has that much impact on defensive rebounding, which is much more team-driven than offensive rebounding. Williams's DREB rate was giant (26), FWIW, but implausibly so. Still, it's not a bad thing for Williams to be a break-even defender in every other category on the nation's #4 team in defensive efficiency.

If Williams can get to decent from the outside, his rebounding, defensive competency, and chemistry with Dickinson may allow him to carve out a 5-10 minute role. Or he could have a role similar to last year's—sporadic—due to the other possibilities at the four.

Comments

bsand2053

May 5th, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^

Re:BJJr.’s shot distribution, isn’t a large part of that on play calling?  This is totally unscientific but I don’t remember Juwan dialing up many plays to get him an open three this past year while I do (again, just from memory) seem to recall more of that in 2019

TrueBlue2003

May 6th, 2021 at 12:12 AM ^

Yes, this is correct.  Michigan's actions aren't often plays for a specific person, per se.  They run sets that put the defense in various constraints with a lot of options and frequently the best option is the pick and roll ball handler (Smith last year) or the post player (Dickinson) kicks it out to him in the corner after help collapses to the paint off him.  It seemed to me like he passed up a lot of those opportunities last year to drive against the recovering defender.  Needs to just shoot it.

Basketballschoolnow

May 5th, 2021 at 6:10 PM ^

Dunno.  Granted, it is a highlight tape, but what I saw of Tschetter was great footwork and inside moves at six foot eight, and a deadly jumper.  Maybe more of a Wisconsin big man, like Frank the Tank?  Or even a Garza-type? Don't have a good feel for his athleticism without watching game tape...is he really not that athletic, or is that just what is always said about 'this type' of recruit?  I do know that he scored a ton of points in HS!

We called them…

May 5th, 2021 at 6:24 PM ^

On 247's all-time Michigan bball recruits, Tschetter is just below Stauskas and Mo Wagner (and Kelvin Grady) and just above Isaiah Livers and DJ Wilson.

 

I dunno if Howard and co will be as successful at developing players as the previous regime, but any other year Tschetter would be a real solid part of the class, not an after thought.

 

For what it's worth, Houstan and Diabete are the top 2 on our all time list and Bufkin and Collins are top 15, right around Dickinson. 

 

https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Sport/Basketball/AllTimeRecruits/

bsand2053

May 5th, 2021 at 7:50 PM ^

But Juwan recruited him?  Unless I’m mistaken this wasn’t a case of the new staff honoring the previous ones offers.

In any case, Will might end up being great, he might end up being an end of bench guy or he might be the worst basketball player since I hung up my sneakers.  Even JB, the GOAT evaluator, had some swings and misses 

njvictor

May 5th, 2021 at 6:06 PM ^

Don't write him off as a perimeter option just yet. It's common for sparingly-used freshmen to put up ugly shooting numbers. Freshman Brooks from 3: 25%. David DeJulius was 1/15 as a freshman and hit 36% on 83 attempts the next year. (He fell back to the Bad Place on a horrible, horrible Cincinnati team this year.) Moe Wagner was 2/11 as a freshman. Guys who don't get their feet under them and often play in weird or end-of-bench lineups don't have shooting numbers that we should put a ton of stock in

Id like to point to this paragraph for anyone who is writing off Zeb Jackson for next season

AWAS

May 5th, 2021 at 6:17 PM ^

There is no one I want to succeed more than Brandon Johns, Jr.  You could see the confidence and controlled aggression grow in the final third of last season.  I'm expecting a breakout season and an athletic bully to emerge.

UMinSF

May 5th, 2021 at 6:18 PM ^

I think this is a position of strength, and the possibilities are tantalizing.

Upperclassman Brandon Johns is going to be a very good basketball player. He's athletic, has a nose for the ball, and has the tools to be really effective if he plays with confidence. 

If Diabate is so good he beats Johns out -  whoa. 

Williams is another guy who could make a leap if given PT - I just don't see many minutes for him.

I'd love to see Dickinson, Johns and Moussa all get big minutes - allowing Dickinson to go all out and get some rest. Johns/Diabate down low seems like a pretty stout defense to me, and Dickinson plus either of the other guys is...formidable.

Honestly, if the transfer pg can play, Michigan's only possible weakness is less-than-great 3-point shooting. They're deep, big, athletic and have enough experience. Should be really, really good.

ST3

May 5th, 2021 at 7:55 PM ^

I agree that Williams path to regular playing time is backing up the 3. But it’s nice to have him available for those games when the officials take over and put 2 bigs in foul trouble. Johns is a clear 4 or 5, Williams is more of a 3 or 4. Diabate can guard 5s, so I guess that makes him a center, but whenever I see him play he’s all over the court. In the 4 plays clipped above, he’s posting up, on a wing, dribbling up top, and - my favorite - crashing from the 3 point line for an assisted dunk off of a guard’s penetration. Big fella can play the game.

TrueBlue2003

May 6th, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^

I'll be surprised if Diabate and Dickinson play a lot of minutes together because it's really tough to play two guys that can't shoot from the outside in modern basketball.  But if one of them can shoot well enough that teams don't leave him open, watch out.  Definitely have three solid bigs with Williams a wild card.

AC1997

May 5th, 2021 at 9:35 PM ^

I want to believe in Brandon Johns.....I do.....I am still not sure he will be as reliable as the MGoOnOffSplit machine says.  I also do worry about floor spacing next year when we go from having 4.5 good outside shooters to 2.  I won't be shocked if Houstan gets a few minutes at the four.  I like the idea of 20 for Johns, 12 for Diabate, and 8 for Williams..... but I think there will be times they want more offense and Houstan plays.  

 

Indonacious

May 5th, 2021 at 10:55 PM ^

I think devante will be a better shooter than folks think, especially with hunter being a gravitational pull on defenses (even mid 30s % would be fine in my opinion for him). The way I look at it is we need Houstan and Johns to be similar to Franz ~34% and Livers ~43% en total. If they together can average in the high 30s, we will be fine. Brooks likely will improve slightly as he has done each year. One of Bufkin, barnes, or Williams will likely be able to contribute shooting as well. 

TrueBlue2003

May 6th, 2021 at 6:58 PM ^

I buy the Johns on off splits...but those were with him at center.  I was screaming for him to be the backup center and even the preferred center in certain small ball lineups last year. It's his more natural position, it allows him to be the primary help defender in the paint which takes advantage of his excellent rim protection and it means he doesn't have to defend wing players as often. 

And it meant Michigan had five guys on the floor that could shoot which spreads things out and makes the whole thing run more smoothly.

Him at center was like when Beilein finally went with DJ Wilson at center and Robinson at the four and 2016 team absolutely took off (that lineup was the one that essentially won the Big Ten tournament).

I don't think it works as well with him at center this year because if it's Diabate at the four, you don't have five out anyway.  Perhaps if Williams pushes through, that's your small ball lineup with him at four and Johns at five.

bronxblue

May 5th, 2021 at 10:52 PM ^

I hope that Johns can put it all together and be consistent this year.  My only concern is that the constant refrain for years now is "just gotta keep that confidence up", and while he's had stretches of good play his run to end this year was ... fine.  It was better than I expected but he still seems to pass up too many open shots and struggles at times to generate offense by himself.  If he's viewed as a #3 option and isn't placed under too much pressure to do more then I can see him be a really good starter on a championship team.  But he'll have to show an ability to play through a slump/bad shooting night or two before I have a sense if the player we saw in the tourney is the new normal or just a guy who got hot and other teams didn't gameplan for.

Otherwise I think the position has a ton of potential with both Williams and Diabate, especially the latter on defense.

Watching From Afar

May 6th, 2021 at 10:05 AM ^

Williams' shot looks messed up. In that tape from his HS year there isn't the big swoop up from his waist and flick at the top of the shot like there is now. His FT form is also really weird and doesn't look natural. His connection with HD and high energy are very valuable though in a world where the NCAA doesn't take Ace/Brian/Brian/Mathlete's advice and keeps the 5 foul limit. A very useful part of the team to spell Johns early while Diabate plays multiple spots and gets into the swing of college ball.

As for Johns, I've said it for months - he's a very good athlete for his size, but not other worldly like Diabate (who is taller). Which leads him into situations where he tries to sky over a guy in the lane and make a contested lay up. He gets up the air, realizes he isn't a foot above the defender, and has to throw up tough shots. Backing guys down of similar size doesn't always work and in some cases he gets stuffed on a post move like he did against Maryland's back up center (I think). Same thing plagues him on defense where he gets up in guy's shorts and blown by on the perimeter. He's also been caught napping a few times that have led to open 3s or back cuts. That's not positional confusion that comes from playing both the 4 and 5, it's just him losing focus for a second and Ahrens stepping into a corner for a wide open 3 off no action. I think that gets alleviated by playing more.

The staff is going to have to adjust how the offense looks for the long haul without a Livers type at that position. Someone who can catch and shoot anything and take late clock contested shots. Houstan can be that to some extent, but not right away. John's 3PA are exclusively catch and shoot, and usually uncontested. He doesn't have a pull up and to date has been unwilling to let it fly with a guy in his face (outside of the 1 make he had against FSU that had a little contest).

This all sounds negative, but I don't mean it that way. He's replacing a 3 level scorer in Livers who was doing that for 2 straight seasons (damn injuries). We've seen what he can be when he's comfortable, and that's a very good Big Ten starting 4. But the way he operates doesn't make me think he'd be a good "3rd banana" because he has to get open kick outs or post ups against smaller guys to be successful on offense (based on what we've seen so far). Defensively, he's an A level guy. Offensively he's a B level guy in most situations unless he continues to develop this summer.

Diabate - I'm looking forward to seeing him send shots into the stands and putting some guys on posters.

Nickel

May 6th, 2021 at 10:10 AM ^

Hope to see a great year out of Johns. I don't know the reason, but more than anyone else he's a young guy that I want to see do well and build his confidence and have success.