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The State of Things: Pretty Good!

247 changed latest commit Ignas Brazdeikis's composite ranking to reflect that half the services don't bother to rank foreign prospects. He's now the #42 overall player in the class, which would place him as the fifth-highest ranked signee in John Beilein's Michigan tenure, per Orion Sang.

That bump, combined with the scandal that's rocked college basketball (happy trails, Louisville's 2018 class), has Michigan occupying a lofty spot in the 2018 team rankings:


via 247, obviously

It really can't be overstated how nice it is to be one of maybe three or four major college basketball programs that isn't in a full state of panic over the possibility of an FBI raid. We're already seeing the fallout for other programs: Arizona lost a five-star commit; Louisville no longer has a coach, athletic director, or 2018 recruiting class, and they've suspended five-star freshman Brian Bowen. There's surely more to come, as Nike's EYBL, the most prominent AAU league, has been served with a subpoena.

Meanwhile, both recruits and coaches have to figure out how to navigate the post-Feds recruiting landscape, and both sides appear to be acting with great caution. The top overall recruit in the class, RJ Barrett, is no longer visiting Arizona after they were linked to the scandal. He's also no longer visiting Michigan this weekend and has eliminated the Wolverines; given Beilein's sterling reputation, read into that what you will.

It's going to be a long, messy ride for many of college basketball's top programs. Beilein's insistence on sticking to rules almost literally nobody else follows has rankled in the past, even those who want a generally clean program, but he sure looks better for it today. Running a program that isn't in danger of major sanctions or, like, having coaches literally end up imprisoned is going to be a major draw for the foreseeable future.

[Hit THE JUMP for weekend visitors and more.]

Weekend Visitors: Castleton, Nunez Taking Officials

Even without Barrett, this is another big recruiting weekend for the program. Michgian sits in the top two for four-star Florida stretch big Colin Castleton, whose other option is Illinois. Notably, Lamont Wade, one of Illini coach Brad Underwood's former Oklahoma State assistants, was one of the four coaches initially charged in the bribe scheme. Regardless of how that factors in, Michigan looks like they're in excellent shape after recently turning up the heat on Castleton, who told Scout's Brian Snow he's could make a decision shortly after this visit:

Given that Castleton is focused on two schools, and that he has already visited Illinois, it stands to reason a decision could be coming shortly after his trip to Michigan.

About a potential choice, Castleton said, "Honestly it all depends on the visit. I couldn't tell you what I will do yet because I haven't seen Michigan."

Castleton went on, "I will probably come home and talk things over with my family and my coaches and think about it before deciding, but I can't say for sure when I will make my choice. It all depends on how my visit goes and which school I feel most comfortable with."

Michigan has the last two picks on Castleton's Crystal Ball, including one from 247's director of basketball scouting, Jerry Meyer. As a true big with shooting range, he'd be an ideal replacement for Moe Wagner. As Dylan pointed out at UMHoops, Castleton had the second-best block rate in the EYBL this year, and he's also a strong rebounder; while he doesn't have Wagner's skill off the dribble, he could shore up M's longstanding issues with rim protection and rebounding from the center position.

The other visitor has flown under the radar to the entire country for most of his recruitment, which is a type of prospect Beilein has done remarkably well with as a coach. 6'5" Brooklyn shooting guard Adrien Nunez didn't have an offer heading into the summer, but after showing off a sweet shooting stroke—Rivals's Corey Evans regards him as one of the top five shooters in the class—he's picked up several offers, and could add another this weekend, per Chris Balas:

“I just got offered by Texas A&M. We’ll see how that goes,” he said. “Penn State and Boston College have also offered.”

But Michigan is extremely intriguing, he added.

“It just checks all the boxes,” he said. “It’s the No. 1 public university in the country, they just won Big Ten. Coach B. is Coach B., a great coach. He’s one of my favorite coaches. It’s the whole package.”

He’ll be on campus with his parents, during which he hopes to receive an offer.

“Coach Beilein said we’d talk about an offer when I get to campus,” he said.

The timing here will be interesting. Michigan is also heavily in the mix with sharpshooter Noah Locke, who visits Florida this weekend. Nunez could be the backup plan if Locke goes elsewhere, which seems to be the case with Texas SG Keonte Kennedy, who's slated to visit October 8th. If Michigan wants more size in the backcourt with this class, Nunez could potentially jump in front of Locke, who's a few inches shorter. This should move pretty quickly: Nunez told Orion Sang he plans to make a decision in early- or mid-October.

Etc.

Four-star Chicago wing Talen Horton-Tucker had a good visit to Michigan last week, but after the Brazdeikis commitment, it's hard to find a spot for him in the class.

Happy trails to Hunter Tyson, who committed to Clemson, and Justin Ahrens, who re-committed to Ohio State. Michigan had seemingly backed off of Tyson in recent weeks as they focused on Brazdeikis, while Ahrens also likely slid into backup plan status given M's standing with Locke and increased interest in Nunez and Kennedy.

Comments

panthera leo fututio

September 28th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^

Exactly this. Both expressions in which "literally" is used are the sort of statements that get made hyperbolically all the time. The facts that there are some rules that seriously nobody follows and that assistant coaches are faced with actual don't-drop-the-soap incarceration are the sorts of facts that could easily be mistaken for hyperbole. The way you avoid that is by saying "literally". Context-blinkered crusades against word usage (as with "ironic") are the worst form of pedantry.

panthera leo fututio

September 28th, 2017 at 3:02 PM ^

1) That's not what a paradox is. 2) Adding "literally" to the claim has the effect of saying "here's this claim, *and I actually really mean it*". You might think that "and I actually really mean it" is implied in every declarative statement. But that's not how language works. The fact that Ace said "almost nobody" doesn't change anything -- it's still the sort of statement that could easily be intended as hyperbolic overstatement, and Ace is (appropriately) distinguishing from that case.

panthera leo fututio

September 28th, 2017 at 3:39 PM ^

You know that you can just Google words to find out their definitions, right? A "paradox" is a statement that is logically self-undermining (see the liar's paradox for canonical example). What you accused me off is hypocrisy, which whatever. But the point is that there's absolutely nothing *paradoxical* about accusing someone of a trait that you yourself possess. I could have "well actually"ed someone to death yesterday, and there'd be nothing *self-undermining* about my claim that you're being an annoying pedant. And so that claim isn't a paradox.

Pepto Bismol

September 28th, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^

This is where you're at?  Now you want to debate the definition of paradoxical?  Nice pivot.

I've got a very simple question sitting above that has been asked of you twice now. Very basic. You can't answer it because:

A)  If you answer truthfully, you will prove me correct about Ace's excessive use of "literally".

B)  If you lie in effort to carry on your nonsensical position, you're going to look like a clown who unnecessarily read way too much into the obvious definition of "imprisoned".  (Admittedly, I hope you choose B so I can laugh my face off before we wrap this up.)

 

Finish that first and we can argue the whole dictionary if you'd like.
 

 

panthera leo fututio

September 28th, 2017 at 4:17 PM ^

Alright, I know I said that I was done responding, so further apologies to everyone who has more stuff to scroll past. But how on Earth is my response a pivot??? I'm specifically responding to a post in which you start by questioning my grasp of basic word definitions (based on your conflation of "paradoxical" with "hypocritical", which I mean cumong man). And then you use that to dismiss a much more detailed articulation of how the word "literally" functions! As in, you did precisely the thing that you then went on to accuse me of. I mean seriously. Are you literally reading anything that either you or I have written? The only substantive point you've made is that the use of "literal" is only required when one wants to imply numerical precision. This is obviously incorrect. And if you gave me enough time, I could provide literally about a billion counterexamples.

Pepto Bismol

September 28th, 2017 at 4:33 PM ^

Question.  Above.  Answer it.

We're talking about the use of literally. That's the whole conversation, hombre. You want to spin this into a debate about the definition of paradoxical. You think paradoxical means an old, old wooden ship.  Whatever.  I don't care.


We're going to be here forever whether you give "about a billion" examples or "literally about a billion" examples.  There's no difference.

1) How many is "about 10"?  8? 9? 11? 

2) How many is "literally about 10"?  It's the same range.  Any number you use for question 1 will fit as the answer to answer 2, and vice versa. 

Take your time.  Feel free to remove your socks if you have to.

panthera leo fututio

September 28th, 2017 at 4:49 PM ^

'...whether you give "about a billion" examples or "literally about a billion" examples.  There's no difference.'

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN LANGUAGE THE WAY THAT HUMANS SPEAK IT YOU DENSE DENSE MAN WHOSE FANDOM I AM NOT HAPPY TO SHARE.

If I say "I could give you about a billion examples," a common and reasonable interpretation is "I can give you a big number, whatever that is. Depending on the context of which we're both aware, it's likely to not be close to an actual billion. But suffice to say: big." Whereas, if I were to say  "I could give you literally about a billion examples," the implied meaning is that "Yes I know that people say 'billion' as a stand-in for 'big number of uncertain true magnitude' all the time, but in this case, there are really in the ballpark of 1 X 10^9 instances that I could potentially point to."

THESE ARE NOT THE SAME SENTENCES. I'm going to do something else. I hope you have a bad day, but not in the sense of anything really catastrophic happening.

Pepto Bismol

September 28th, 2017 at 7:43 PM ^

Your "billion" example makes sense. I can admit that. Fair enough.

The bad news is if you apply your logic to the Ace's actual sentence, you prove my point.  

If I say "almost nobody", or "almost zero", a reasonable interpretation (not exact) would imply a very small number.  Unlike a billion, there is no context of "nobody".  It's zero.  That's the end.  You can say "a very small number" like you did above.  Whatever.  Nobody is nobody.  Zero is zero.  There's no ambiguity.

So saying "literally almost nobody" changes nothing.  "Literally almost zero" is the same as your implied very small number.  Especially when working with a fixed number of coaches to begin with, which we all know is somewhere in the 300s.  

Your "BILLIONS" temper tantrum above is fine.  It works when talking about extremely large numbers which may or may not be exaggerated.  But given what we're actually talking about here, I'm sorry to say, you're wrong.  You can't exaggerate "almost zero".  There's zero, and you're almost there.  It's not subjective.  You can't pretend almost zero coaches is 100 coaches or something.  That's nowhere near zero.  So you don't need "literally".  Almost nobody is almost nobody.

I know you've taken this interaction really hard.  I'm not trying to push you over the edge.  But you're simply incorrect and you needed to know that.  The fact that you're on the verge of a mental breakdown simultaneously makes me feel kind of bad, but also terribly entertained.

For the record, I had a fantastic day!  Hope you did too, despite the fact that you were owned online all day by a smarter person.  And you still didn't answer my question.

I love you.

The Maizer

September 28th, 2017 at 3:03 PM ^

Just because something is relative (almost) doesn't mean it can't be or be mistaken for hyperbole. "I made almost a million dollars betting this past weekend" and "I made literally almost a million dollars betting this past weekend" could be interpreted differently.

Pepto Bismol

September 28th, 2017 at 3:13 PM ^

How much is "almost a million dollars"?  Less than a million, but more than 800k?  Somewhere in there?  That'd my guess.

How much is "literally almost a million dollars"?  Less than a million, more than 800k?  That's still my guess.  You're literally saying almost.  Clarifying that you mean "almost" when you say "almost" doesn't change the meaning of "almost".

"Literally" literally changed nothing.

Special thanks for the "almost a million dollars" analogy.  That was so much different than "almost nobody".

dg62

September 28th, 2017 at 9:02 PM ^

Are you suggesting that "almost nobody" can never correctly be used as hyperbole?  If you are not, then disregard this.  But if you are, consider this:

If a once-popular TV show has fallen from its peak viewership of 10 million viewers to a woeful 2000 viewers, then it would be a reasonable use of hyperbole  to say that "almost nobody" watches that show anymore.  

If that same show falls further and eventually just one person still watches it -- then "literally almost nobody" watches it.

There's a difference, no?

Sam1863

September 29th, 2017 at 5:13 AM ^

The string of comments reminds me of a time in high school, when one kid who would argue anything was droning on and on about - hell, I'm not sure that he remembered what the original subject was. He was just in love with the sound of his own voice.

The teacher finally asked him to do an experiment: tie his own shoe. The kid was slightly confused, but he did it. He then demanded to know what the point was.

The teacher replied, "I just wanted to see if you could do something today that wasn't a complete waste of time."

DowntownLJB

September 28th, 2017 at 5:09 PM ^

I agree with you in the first case, but disagree in the second case. 

I think there's enough hyperbole about "ncaa jail" or "sanctions jail" or "recruiting exile" that with "...coaches literally end up in prison...", literally is additive to that sentence.

mooogoblue4

September 29th, 2017 at 6:59 AM ^

Dude this “literally” usage has become an epidemic of misuse in America. People seem to think it can be used for emphasis, well they sound like idiots! “I laughed so hard I literally died!”....No you didn’t cus you would be dead right now.

champswest

September 28th, 2017 at 3:00 PM ^

Beilein took them to the wire in 2013 for all of the apples and eliminated them from the tournament in 2017. He did it with a clean program and lower ranked recruiting classes. Put some of those other programs on a level playing field with Coach B and he would really clean their clocks.

Who's got it better than us?

mtzlblk

September 28th, 2017 at 3:43 PM ^

I would hope he can grab up a now available 4-5 star who suits his scheme/ the team well and who isn't too tainted frpm the scandal. Though I wouldn't give up anybody that is already committed, or who is close to committing in order to get them. I would rather stick with players who were interested in Michigan beforehand.

UofM Die Hard …

September 28th, 2017 at 3:31 PM ^

is going to get calls left and right for jobs now?  I mean, he aint going anywhere, he is retiring here..but from all this crazy FBI shit...do schools open a checkbook for a coach like JB?  

 

Webber's Pimp

September 28th, 2017 at 3:37 PM ^

Do we have room for both Castelon and Nunez (or Locke)? Seems like an awfully big class from a pure numbers standpoint. That would be 6 guys in one class unless Currie reclasifies to 2019. 

Maison Bleue

September 28th, 2017 at 3:39 PM ^

Didn't MSU finish second for Bowen? Izzo may be squirming in his office chair a little bit after yesterday. He has managed to get some guys he usually does not the last couple of years.