But he can keep all of Georgia. Theodosia, she's mine. [Patrick Barron, this and the other one.]

2023 Recruiting: Benjamin Hall Comment Count

Seth August 2nd, 2023 at 11:03 AM

Previously: Last year’s profiles, K Adam Samaha, K James Turner (Tr), S Brandyn Hillman, CB DJ Waller, CB Cameron Calhoun, CB Jyaire Hill, HSP/LB Jason Hewlett, LB Hayden Moore, LB Semaj Bridgeman, LB Ernest Hausmann (Tr), OLB Breeon Ishmail, DE Aymeric Koumba, DE Enow Etta, DE Josaiah Stewart (Tr), DT Brooks Bahr, DT Cameron Brandt, DT Trey Pierce, OT Evan Link, OT Myles Hinton (Tr), OT LaDarius Henderson (Tr), OG Nathan Efobi, IOL Amir Herring, OC Drake Nugent (Tr), TE Deakon Tonielli, TE Zack Marshall, TE AJ Barner (Tr), WR Semaj Morgan, WR Fredrick Moore, WR Karmello English

 
Kennesaw (North Cobb), GA – 5'11"/235
 
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247: 5'10/225
                    3.45*

3*, 86, NR overall
#73 RB, #106 GA

On3: 5'11/224
                    3.22*

3*, 85, NR overall
#92 RB, #137 GA

Rivals: 5'11/220
                    3.50*

3*, 5.6, NR overall
NR RB, #92 GA
ESPN: 5'11/225
                    3.57*
3*, 77, #327 SE
#49 RB, #73 GA
Composites
         3.73*/3.55*
3*, #787/#1043 Ovr
#55/#76 RB, #78/#103 GA

MGoAverage
                    3.44*

3*, #726/798 Ovr
#55/61 RBs since '90
YMRMFSPA Thomas Rawls+
Other Suitors South Carolina
Previously On MGoBlog Hello by Alex Drain
Notes EE. Starting PG for N.Cobb as well.
Film:
Senior Highlights:
Jr Highlights. Hudl. Spring Game. Runs at camp. Catches a pass at camp.

People were mad when Mike Hart took a commitment from this Georgia 3-star. Fans wondered if Hart realized he was holding the keys to RB heaven. On3's EJ Holland thought they could have held out and gotten top-100 RB Mark Fletcher, who ended up at Miami (YTM), or top-250 Jayden Limar, who chose Oregon over Notre Dame. Stargazers pointed out Michigan's 2022-'23 hauls since Hart arrived were a big step down from the Haskins-Charbonnet-Corum-Edwards run under Jay Harbaugh under less favorable recruiting conditions. Recruitniks figured Hall was merely the Adrian Witty Memorial cocaine-laced carrot to lure Hall's teammate/M's top edge target Joshua Josephs (who chose Tennessee). Our local coaches noted this was the third time Jim Harbaugh's program took a swing on a low-ranked RB from Georgia, with nothing more to show from the first two than a few fumbly carries by (now-Hoosier) Christian Turner in 2018. Second place South Carolina was all WTF Mike?

When Hall fell from his team's second-leading rusher to its fourth as a senior, people wondered if Michigan was trying to back out of the deal. Then came the Spring Game, when Hall ran 13 times for 96 yards and a score.

The above doesn't even include one of his TDs, which Hall ran in through Jimmy Rolder. Now there's a new narrative.

[After THE JUMP: One spring game doesn't say everything about a player, but it says the most about Ben Hall.]

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Why is Mighty Michigan Recruiting a 3-star?

I should be clear what we mean by "3-star" because recruiting sites stretch the definition. Mike Hart is only a "3-star" by legend because the two services that ranked him such (of the five majors at the time) were the pair that left searchable databases.

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Most of the "3-stars" Michigan gets are like that: guys missed a 4th star for a Reason, leaving us to parse whether or not it's a good one. But the appellation these days goes well into the 2000s. CMU commit Mehki Jenkins out of Royal Oak is the composite's 144th RB, 2,258th overall, and a 3-star.

Hall is about halfway between Hart and Jenkins, ranked around Thomas Rawls and Hassan Haskins. Other than Maize & Blue Review's Zach Libby, nobody was stumping for Hall to be included in a top-250. He is a 3-star.

The Reason is good one: Hall wasn't even the second-leading rusher at his school. North Cobb is a suburban Atlanta power, and now-Arkansas QB Malachi Singleton was the primary ballcarrier/playmaker, and Clemson 4-star 2024 commit David Eziomume was the lead running back. Hall and Eziomume also split time with 2023 prospect David Mbadinga (Georgia Southern). Austin Meek talked to Hall's dad to figure out why the Michigan commit went unused:

Hall played in a high school program that utilized multiple running backs, and his coach liked to ride the hot hand. Sometimes that was Hall, but other times it wasn’t. As a result, he didn’t have the touches that most Power 5 recruits would expect.

Translation: Hall fumbled against the #1 team in the state in Week 2, and with three more FBS-caliber ballcarriers in the backfield that was enough to get Charbonnet'd. Sensibly enough, Hall was dropped (On3) or left where he was instead of moving up the season after his Michigan commitment, which came as soon as Hall's offer was committable, which it was as soon as Michigan got him on campus and took his measurements.

To give you an idea of how unenthused the industry was about North Cobb's #3 RB, when I make these articles I start by copy-pasting all the non-fluff written about the guy to a blank document, and fully 2/3rds of Hall's are from after the spring game. It was too late to update the rankings, but 247's Brad Crawford put Hall atop a list of freshmen to watch in 2023, and claimed he'd be starting at every Big Ten school except the three with the best RB rooms in the country.

Oh Lawd

The first thing you notice about Ben Hall is you don't want to be on the F end of Newton's second law of motion when this man is accelerating your way. Hall was already listed at 235 this spring, three pounds heavier than fellow mooseback Kalel Mullings. Maize & Blue Review's Zach Libby was the one stumping since he saw Hall at RCS Atlanta, so we'll let him describe the specimen.

Hall entered Sunday looking to be about 6-foot-1 and close to 230 pounds. Immediately upon seeing him for the first time was how constructed he was in both his upper and lower halves. It seemed like Hall was vying for more muscle weight to compliment his power running back persona. There's more room for him to grow physically and build on his thickness in his thighs, calves, chest, and arms.

Alejandro Zuniga confirmed Hall "looked the part of a physical, bruising back" during bowl practices. Brandon Brown got "AJ Dillon vibes." Steve Lorenz described "a large lower body" and called Hall "compact but also explosive and patient." Clayton Safie said Hall has "tree trunks for legs." Lucas Reimink called Hall "thickly built" with "good upper body strength and … a thick, powerful lower body." Touch the Banner called it a "durable seeming frame and a thick lower body."

The only national recruiting evaluator to offer an opinion was Ryan Wright of Rivals, who thought Hall "already has the look of a collegiate back." Unsurprisingly, this is also the talk from the coaches. Sherrone Moore was all like "he walks the building, his legs are giant — they’re huge — he’s built" and told Jansen Hall's "built low to the ground."

“He’s built low to the ground. Thick, huge legs. His legs are like Blake’s, maybe a little bigger.

Hart offered the Hassan Haskins comp—"he’s hard to tackle; he’s hard to bring down"—before reminding everybody about the 5-star in the class after Hart who sat around watching Hart play.

"But his legs are just so thick. You look at him waist-down, he's a thick guy. So I would probably compare him to the guys we've had here to Hassan. You can go back to Kevin Grady, if you want to, back in the day. Kevin Grady was built that way.

Please put microphones in the vicinity of Mike Hart always.

Thunder

Helpfully for us convention-strapped sportwriters Hall neatly fits the Thunder side of the two-back metaphor his "imposing body type" suggests. Sherrone says he "runs like a train." The unsigned 247 scouting report claims Hall "runs angry and looks to punish defenders with his physical style of play" and pick up "tough yards." Libby saw the "frame and muscle to barrel over defenses with tight footwork and a large upper body." Wright liked how Hall's"power helps push the chains down field."

Reimink decided Hall was the type of RB that gets better as the game wears on.

He is a very thick RB, and is a load to bring down for any defender. Arm tackles won’t work against Hall, as he’d much rather run through you than around you. He has very good power, and does a nice job of keeping his legs churning to fight for extra yards. He also has good pad level, and can run over any LB or DB who isn’t prepared to match his physicality. With his size and upper body strength, he is also good at ball security. He carries the ball high and tight, just like they teach it.

Down-on-Hall EJ Holland compared Hall to 2022 signee Tavierre Dunlap, who like Hall was "more of a between the tackles power back" best used for running through defenders. Touch the Banner described "a battering ram" but the original kind with an actual ram's horns on the front it.

North Cobb assistant coach Tyler Queen confirms this is what coaches were calling him about when Hall rose from a nothing recruit to a medium 3-star when his junior film went out:

Reel-after-reel of Hall carrying defenders on his back with his feet still running had colleges pushing each other over to offer him.

And of course we saw plenty of the pile-moving in the spring game, as well as attempted tackles pinging off those thighs.

This moved 247 national reporter Blake Brockermeyer to put Hall at the top of list of this spring's best true freshmen around the nation.

He also flashed his ability to finish runs and move the pile. He’s tough to bring down once he gets to full speed and doesn’t shy away from contact

Vision and Patience

Some power backs don't hesitate; they exhibit no restraint in cutting upfield and seeking contact. What had Devin Gardner all excited is Hall's willing to wait for it.

Hall himself admits his defining trait is lying in wait, while Wright reports this is what attracted Hart. Brockermeyer said Hall "looks like a steal" because of the excellent patience displayed in spring, and going back to 2021.

Seeing how he slides through the holes; he knows the offense well. While in the mix making the move to the second level, his field vision is elite allowing him to pick up extra yards

This was echoed by Sam Webb—"ran with patience that belies his class standing, showed good burst when he saw an opening," Chris Balas, Touch the Banner, and if listened to the post-spring podcast, me.

The run that had me going off was this one:

Give Persi(+1) credit for taking the slant from Bennett and turning that into a huge gap, but watch how Hall uses his puller, #58 Gio El-Hadi. The Derrick Green thing to do when you get to this spot is to leave the blocking and run through the free MLB (Rolder) down the hash mark.

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Not only does Hall downshift to set up El-Hadi, he uses that time productively to press the outside of TE AJ Barner's block on Ernest Hausmann, keeping the WLB outside when he's got time and leverage to take both gaps.

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Hall times his acceleration to hit the gap at the same time El-Hadi is making contact with Rolder, giving the LB no chance to recover and make the tackle even if Rolder is attacking the correct shoulder.

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Then he bounces off the safety and falls forward with two guys on him. Chef's kiss.

Acceleration/Burst/Agility

This is the slider we're editing the most on Hall's hypothetical NCAA attributes sheet following the spring game performance. That bounce outside when he almost scored was harder to miss that Zack Marshall's hold on Marcus Pollard, and might have made it irrelevant. Reimink saw solid agility and foot speed, and the 247 scouting report noted the ability to bounce it outside as well, though references to this were rare.

But this was hardly a consensus take, especially before spring. Touch the Banner:

What Hall lacks – which is not surprising at his size – is acceleration, top-end speed, and elusiveness. … The big question with him is does he have enough juice to get through the hole. … doesn’t shy away from contact or try to be something he’s not; he’s not elusive, he seems to know it.

Even Libby admitted Hall's "not an elusive guy."

If there's a concern about Hall's athleticism it's that he doesn't have that De'Veon Smith ability to stay upright no matter what. Hart even pointed this out after spring.

"I told him today: He should have had two touchdowns and he fell twice. He stepped out of bounds once, tripped on the other one."

 

Hart's keeping it light, but a lot of Hall's big runs on his senior highlight reel ended with him stepping out of bounds a yard before the football brain thinks he will, which is a balance thing as well as a speed thing.

The 8th Most Important Thing for Running Backs

Right, so even if TTB amended his take from "Hassan Haskins but slower and less jumpy" he's still saying is Hall "won’t ever be a superstar because he lacks great speed." This is the most overrated running back attribute, but it isn't not an attribute. EJ Holland kept up with the Dunlap comp, noting he "had a decent burst and long speed, and the same can be said about Hall." This was echoed by Safie—"doesn’t seem to have top-end speed"—and our Alex Drain—"I didn't think Hall was overly fast watching the Hudl tape."

This wasn't a consensus however. Wright said Hall has the burst and speed to finish. There isn't a 40 time to dwell on.

Pass Protection & Receiving

Hall had some surprisingly good numbers as a receiver, and the Blue team even tried to get him out in space once (McBurrows ripped him down in the backfield before he had a chance to move). There was also that one moment of pass pro we got to pick apart when Hall picked up, lost, then re-acquired a CB blitz.

Libby, who had nobody else to watch, came away from RCS Atlanta with a lot more than that:

During the pass blocking session against the linebackers, Hall's initial punch was violent, and the power that went into his first step would immediately slow down the velocity of a blitzing defender right from the whistle. During the 1v1 showcase, Hall absolutely dominated in his route running and pass catching. There wasn't a rep in which he didn't lose. For Hall to show the ability of not just being lethal on the ground will make for him having the same versatility as

And Reimink saw solid hands and body control, but…

He doesn’t have a very advanced route tree from the RB position, and will need to learn how to run routes to be able to contribute in this capacity at the next level. He will likely never be a great pass-catching RB because of his marginal ball skills, as he doesn’t showcase much of an ability to catch anything down the field. As a pass protector, Hall has an excellent lower body, and has a willingness to maintain his ground and pick up a blitzer when necessary. He projects to be a good pass protecting RB due to this combination of effort and ability.

Obviously he's not a Donovan Edwards-esque receiver, but doesn't drop easy ones, and a rumbler in the open is its own kind of danger. The sense is he's got the makeup for a good pass protector but a lot to learn. There's also a sense that he won't be hard to teach.

Worker

Harbaugh's description managed to skip any scouting, focusing on Hall's work ethic and saying it was a theme of this class. Also mentioned Hall ran to practice with Fredrick Moore. Sherrone also hit on the theme.

He’s always in here. You’ve gotta kick him out. He’s always walking around with a water bottle with his headphones on just always locked in, focused.

as did Hart.

You wouldn’t guess he's 18 years old, just turned 18 a few weeks ago. He acts like he's been here a long time. He works hard. He studies, he understands the offense.

Libby also noted Hall was first in line for all the RB drills, "particularly the ones that focused on vision up field and footwork." North Cobb doesn't have captains but Queen said Hall was the only guy voted unanimously to the leadership council on a team with plenty of FBS-boudn players.

Etc. Plays point guard for the basketball team (dad is an assistant). RB MVP of the Under Armour All-America Camp Series stop in Atlanta but wasn't invited to UA AA game. Favorite show is The Office.

Why Thomas Rawls+? Rawls was another compact 3-star with tree trunk legs and good vision—his comp was Kevin Grady or Mark Ingram—whose underratedness extended to coaches who refused to play him for unknown reasons. You could also go with DeVeon Smith, who ran over guys and developed good vision over his career, but here at MGoBlog we demand precision in our RB comps, and the bouncy, compact Rawls that Hoke should have been playing is closer to Hall than the not-very-agile  rock that ran through his pads.

The plus is because I'm including what Rawls became after he transferred to CMU, churned through the MAC, signed as a free agent with the Seahawks, and put together a decent pro career highlighted by a monster game when Marshawn Lynch was out. It's not Rawls's fault that Brady Hoke played Derrick Green ahead of him.

Guru Reliability: Very low. Only one major service had a take by Hall's commitment, and after he rode pine for most of his senior year, nobody thought to try again. Hall did attend a few Atlanta camps, even finishing atop the RBs at 247's, but the only writeup is now ghosting around without an author.

Variance: Low. Running backs are usually what they are, but is Hall the guy we saw in one scrimmage or the guy North Cobb fans didn't see lining up in the backfield last year? Since nobody's claiming he's got 4.4 speed to go with the rest, and they all have him somewhere in the 3-star pile, it's a fair bet Hall's not going to be a 1st rounder. Since he's the talk of the town after one open practice, it's a fair bet he's going to have a nice college career and at least a look at the next level.

Ceiling: High-minus. Blake Corum he ain't, but that doesn't preclude one hell of a football career that leaves cleat marks all over the Big Ten. There's a lot to like here.

Flight Risk Level: Medium-Low. He has a highly touted Lightning in the class and a 4.5-star Thunder arriving next year from Ohio, and a few Mike Hart-scouted prospects in the class ahead, not to mention every back with half a whit of sense banging at the pearly gates. He's also from way down in Georgia, without any local connections beyond the friends he's made on the way. On the other hand, Hall seems like a perfect cultural fit, has already inserted himself into the conversation for third back, and, I mean, the guy didn't seem to mind moving down to third string in high school.

General Excitement Level: High. Baseline 5; –1 for lacks top-end speed dawww, +1 for great vision, +1 for did you see that bounce? +1 for tree-trunk legs, +1 could already be RB1 for eleven teams in the Big Ten.

Projection: I am a little bit terrified that the difference between "mooseback who was 3rd string in high school" and "Mike Hart but Thicc" is one practice game that might mean worse things for Jimmy Rolder than we all want to admit. I'm also telling that voice to shut the hell up before Ben Hall tramples its face. You can fake a lot of things in football but when a running back has vision and timing, run through tackles, and can bounce and accelerate well enough to scoot through the holes he maximizes, the only things standing in the way are the competition, himself, and injury. The last you can't control, the second isn't a concern with this guy, and the first is less of a problem at a school that's struggling to recruit receivers because it's gotten around that they run too much between the best OL in the country every year.

Hall is also an excellent fit for how that offense operates. Yes, I'm basing this off of way too little information, but how much do you need to know whether a back has a feel for the bullet time he has to operate in? It took one game to see it with Hart. It took one play to see it with Corum. It took a night with Washington to understand the core of Michigan's offensive philosophy. As long as that's the offense for the next four years, unless the other guys are as incredible as the current guys, I expect Hall to be a part of the rotation.

Comments

Toby Flenderson

August 2nd, 2023 at 12:01 PM ^

I’m all about Ben Hall. He’s the stereotypical RB prospect where people focus on the frosting (lack of top end speed) vs. the necessary qualities to be an effective RB (Vision, Strength). 
 

“He won’t break off 60 yard runs? Then give it to him twice” 

Koop

August 2nd, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^

Dude has a potential role, right d*mn now, on this offense. No offense to Kalel Mullings, but mooseback not named Corum is a valuable piece for Michigan 2023. Let next year sort itself out. 
 

Welcome, Mr. Hall. 3rd and 2, 4th and 1, goal-to-go from the 1? Right this way, sir. Would you like to use the nickname Touchdown Vulture? It’s currently available. 

njvictor

August 2nd, 2023 at 12:25 PM ^

I always was confused by Hall's rating and the pessimism around him. His film always showed his patience, balance, jump cutting ability, and his ability to get extra yards out of plays. All traits that you love to see out of a workhorse back

Also, on the topic of speed for running backs, it seems like unless you're really slow or really fast, there's a range of speed in between where it doesn't really matter? Like there's Treveyon Henderson speed, where he just runs past guys, but as long as you're not slow enough where a DB is gonna run you down from behind on a frequent basis, then I don't think speed matters as much as change of direction and acceleration

4th phase

August 2nd, 2023 at 1:56 PM ^

I feel like "benched in highschool" is always going to lead to a lot of pessimism. 
 

After seeing the spring game, I am causitiously optimistic. And I was never upset he was a take so early like a lot of people were. But yeah his senior season he had 324 rushing yards..

bronxblue

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^

The write-up makes the good point that he had much less margin for error on his HS team than others in the sense that there were other high-level RBs who could take carries when he messed up.  So the fact he was bounced down the depth chart isn't as bad as the usual case, though obviously only picking up mostly junk yards as a senior ain't great for the recruiting talk.  But at the same time, playing behind top-end talent can obfuscate a player's ability, so I do get why Hart and the staff could give him a look, gets his measurables, and be happy with him.

At the same time, 

then I don't think speed matters as much as change of direction and acceleration

is sort of an issue because Hall seemingly doesn't have amazing acceleration, which makes sense since he's a hoss and physics remains undefeated.  The write-up notes that even his biggest advocates point out he struggles getting going, and he also has some issues with balance that could also preclude his ability to continuously be a dynamic runner.  The change of direction and vision are there and that's positive, but again a big guy who isn't top-end fast and also isn't great at getting going has a ceiling, and I think that's what people are responding to.  The comp to Smith feels appropriate here - Smith would be the 3rd/4th back on the past couple of UM teams but he was a bellcow who could get some yards after contact and that was good enough for those early Harbaugh teams. 

His run against BYU remains one of my favorite runs to rewatch because of how physical it was, but it was also the perfect distillation of both Smith's strengths and weaknesses.  He could get low and push through a pile, then run a bit and still physically eject tacklers downfield.  But he was also caught pretty quickly by a corner and then a BYU LB also nearly caught him before seemingly giving up on the play.  If Hall becomes a reliable guy who can move the pile in short yardage and sometimes pick up 15-20 yards by bouncing outside that's great; I could just as easily see him swallowed up by other guys on the depth chart and winding up on a G5/lower level P5 roster.  I hope the prior, obviously, but I do think him being a 3* sort of makes sense.  He might outplay his ranking but the Reason is real.

 

Joby

August 3rd, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^

One thing that Hall seems to have in abundance that Smith did not have much of is vision. I say this as a huge fan of #4: Smith’s BYU run was a remarkable display of power and grit, but he could have saved himself a lot of trouble by using the big cutback lane to his right or bouncing left, where the EMLOS was sealed off.

ShoelacesFlapp…

August 2nd, 2023 at 12:29 PM ^

I appreciate the optimism as always but that pessimistic voice is stronger for me. Gonna need to see more than one game to conclude that a high school 3rd-stringer will be a productive college back.

AC1997

August 2nd, 2023 at 1:07 PM ^

Seth - 

I am of the same mind of you and Brian that a Harbaugh team should always, always, always have a FB on the roster.  I still can't understand how the success of Ben Mason and Khalid Hill resulted in a move away from the position completely.  With that being said, do you think there may be a role for Ben Hall going forward as maybe a Chris Floyd style FB?  (In other words, he's really a RB but capable of being a lead blocker or short-yardage guy.)  

Personally, I am really down on Mullings as a viable mooseback or short yardage guy.  I also think that battering ram fullbacks like Mason are useful, but having one that can actually carry the ball, make one cut, get you 3 yards, and once in a while be used in a creative way are ideal.

Seth

August 2nd, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^

Harbaugh is actually more of a TE guy than a FB guy, but yes, Mullings actually tried playing an I-form fullback in the TCU game and fumbled the dive. That exchange needs to be practiced a ton because it happens so quickly.

They have a fullback coming in the 2024 class. I also think one of the 2023 LBs might end up a Khalid Hill-style H-back, even if the player himself doesn't realize it yet.

AC1997

August 2nd, 2023 at 1:32 PM ^

I get what you're saying about Harbaugh and TE vs FB....but let's remember McKeon trying to take a carry.  My point is that Harbaugh runs a sophisticated run offense with lots of variations, options, approaches, strategies.  Having a FB (let alone a running FB) opens more of that playbook IMO.  

Your comment on Mullings is exactly one of my concerns.  I also think he's more of a Derrick Green style runner - straight ahead until I hit someone.  But you didn't answer my question - do you think Hall has the potential to do some of that?

Seth

August 3rd, 2023 at 8:59 AM ^

Why are we trying to remember McKeon taking a carry? I finally managed to not remember McKeon taking a carry and then there you go bringing up McKeon taking a carry. You're lucky the Fans of Michigan in the 2010s Veterans Association covers therapy for all McKeon-carry associated incidences or I'd be coming after you for the therapy you've just undone.

plamonge

August 2nd, 2023 at 1:31 PM ^

I see tremendous football intelligence. A player who uses his teammates to his advantage. That's huge. I also think he's faster than he looks, as seen in his tape where he outran players who look faster. 

bronxblue

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:26 PM ^

I said this elsewhere but if his ceiling is DeVeon Smith that would be great.  He's not going to be that fast and that's okay; it is important to be able to run away from guys and he's unlikely to do that against higher-level competition.  But that doesn't preclude him from being a nice short-yardage guy or someone who can turn a 3rd-and-2 into a 15-yard gain because he bounces off someone and then runs against the grain.  I am excited to see if he sees the field this year much and how he's deployed because there is a role for a mooseback who has some wiggle.

DetroitDan

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:51 PM ^

"Running backs are usually what they are"

Except that the 5 star running backs haven't been very good, and 3 star Hassan Haskins may have been the best of all time.

 

Seth

August 2nd, 2023 at 3:07 PM ^

Haskins was always Haskins; nobody saw it because they pulled him out of Missouri and kept it a secret, but the minute Haskins was on the field he was putting up good numbers in our charting. Derrick Green meanwhile had the worst vision and this came out in the 2013 charting when he was a freshman. In both cases, the guy we saw in his first few collegiate carries turned out to be the guy we had for a career. If star rankings were the only thing that we knew about a player there'd be no point to writing these articles.

willirwin1778

August 2nd, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^

Hall's teammate at Cobb, David Mbadinga (5'7" 175), signed with Georgia Southern.  He was injured both his Sophmore and Junior seasons after a breakout Freshman campaign. 

Would a HS coach in that situation give extra carries to the recovered player his Senior year in an effort to get him the tape he needed?  Seems plausible to me, but I have no idea how a coach navigates a backfield like that.          

Yinka Double Dare

August 2nd, 2023 at 4:46 PM ^

Multi-sport, "first to arrive" guy, leader, certainly fits the program's "type" these days. You can usually tell quickly with running backs (there's a lot of it that guys just have or they don't, the right instincts on patience, when and where to cut, etc) and especially so with a guy that's already sized for his position, we'll probably know by the end of this season whether we got a stew goin' with him or not

King Tot

August 3rd, 2023 at 8:07 AM ^

Where are all the "realists" who said Hall was a bad recruit and Hart a bad recruiter? Moving onto Clink? Feels like a fools errand but we have a surplus of fools.

DMZBlue

August 3rd, 2023 at 11:24 AM ^

The first time I watched his film, my thought was he looked liked the prototypical Wisconsin three star back who ends up all conference seemingly every cycle.