OT:Nasser sentenced to 60 years.
When does this hit MSU. I think this is worse than the Penn State scandal as Nasser was doing his sexual malpractice as an official of both the MSU athletic department and as an official of the U.S. Gymanastics committee. It has been reported that when MSU women complained to the athletic department about his behavior they were told to shut up or they would have no future in gymnastics. When does the shoe drop at MSU?
If this was Michigan it would have been the only thing the FREEP would have talked about for the past year.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:14 PM ^
insufficient
December 7th, 2017 at 1:18 PM ^
If they put him general popluation his punishment will end up being sufficient.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:27 PM ^
Yep. That is one of the first things I thought of. Some of the most violent criminals on Earth do not take kindly to child molesters. This guy might have to be in isolation because he could very well be murdered if in the general population.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:30 PM ^
This is correct, and (to me) one of the most curious thing about hardcore criminals. They have virtually no ethics or morals (so I killed a cop, big deal?), but they seem to agree almost universally that anyone who hurts, rapes, murders (and so on) kids is bad and needs to be punished.
December 7th, 2017 at 3:05 PM ^
many of these hardened criminals were abused and neglected as children. Some were sexually abused as children, or had friends and family members who were.
December 7th, 2017 at 10:44 PM ^
So have any of you actually set foot inside of a prison, or is was all of your in depth knowledge of prison life gained from watching The Wire?
December 8th, 2017 at 12:27 AM ^
I went to visit someone I knew in prison once. Pretty sobering experience. He told me n a friend the prisoners would shoot loads on the shower handles to screw with other prisoners. Said earlier in the day some "critter as he called em" got 1 shotted, and knocked the hell out. Trivial stuff.
Didnt sound like any place I would want to be.
I saw a news report once of prison in another country. They thought a guy was a child rapist(he wasnt guilty it turned out), and after they were done, dude could of used a man-pon. They took turns driving it home was way I read it.
I have had Crohns for 35 yrs now. Had part of my gut removed also. No way I would trade for what that guy went thru. Holy Hell.
I saw another show about prison in Africa(might of been same as man-pon guy). The guy said he would rape every new prisoner. Not for the sex, but to show them he was number 1 in prison, and they now belonged to him.
Crazy stuff.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:55 PM ^
Hollis should be in the slammer receiving the same treatment. Sickening.
December 7th, 2017 at 6:37 PM ^
Rape as an appropriate penalty for child abuse? Seems like civilized humans might be able to come up with something better.
December 7th, 2017 at 7:36 PM ^
I mean....like what?!
I get your sentiment but...raping kids ain't civilized.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^
Yes sex offenders dont last long in prison.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^
Yes sex offenders dont last long in prison.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:23 PM ^
December 7th, 2017 at 1:31 PM ^
So long as he doesn't get credit for good behavior, etc.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^
he should be castrated... and I don't mean chemically
December 7th, 2017 at 1:30 PM ^
December 7th, 2017 at 1:35 PM ^
It's not over. There is another trial in Jan for the charges of molestation. This sentence was for child pornography.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^
December 7th, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^
My bad. Hopefully the sentence in Jan will add many more years.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:33 PM ^
I agree, but this was only for the charges of child pornography. He is going to be on trial again in state court for the charges of molestation in January. Hopefully they another +60 years to his sentence.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:42 PM ^
he plead guilty to the molestation charges already in Ingham and Eaton Co? Can't recall with all the shyte this guy is getting charged with now. But I'm with the group that 5 years for child porn isn't enough regardless of the other charges.
Not a proponent but there are times when I wish that MI had capital punishment. Like for this miserable excuse for a human.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^
because I had to confirm that this POS did it. He pled guilty and is awaiting sentencing so no criminal trials. But victims still may have pending lawsuits.
December 7th, 2017 at 2:09 PM ^
Yeah I read that wrong. He is awaiting sentencing in Jan not another trial.
December 7th, 2017 at 3:11 PM ^
he'll ever serve a day for it. That sentence is to be served after he's completed the one for sexual assault. I expect that will be even longer. We'll find out next month.
December 7th, 2017 at 8:21 PM ^
oh, those 60 years will feel like 1000x lifetimes, peds in prison are the bottom of the bottom, he's done for.
December 8th, 2017 at 8:12 AM ^
this is actually just for the stuff they found on his computer at home; the sentence for what he did in his capacity as a "doctor" is coming in the next few weeks, i thought?
December 7th, 2017 at 1:16 PM ^
He should undergo medical exams every day for the rest of his life.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:18 PM ^
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December 7th, 2017 at 1:16 PM ^
So, how many MSU administrators have lost their jobs for failing to deal with this guy?
December 7th, 2017 at 1:20 PM ^
December 7th, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^
No one gives a fuck about gymnastics outside the Olympics.
If he was diddling football or basketball players this would be a much bigger story.
Especially after one of them ripped his spine out with their bare hands.
December 7th, 2017 at 2:15 PM ^
December 7th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^
Unfortunately too true. Anyone that says this isn't almost exactly comparable to the PSU fuckery is an idiot. Absolutely just as bad.
December 7th, 2017 at 4:00 PM ^
There is no way this would suddenly be a huge issue if it was men's gymanstics instead of women's. Women's gymnastics is a far bigger sport in the US than men's, but still almost nobody cares about non-olympic gymnastics.
December 7th, 2017 at 2:28 PM ^
The girls that have been assaulted include people like Gabby Douglas, Aly Raisman, and Mckayla Maroney. These three are bigger stars than almost all college football players.
It should be a huge deal. I think it's getting swamped by the outbreak of revelations about celebrities and politicians, though.
EDIT: It occurs to me that this may be partly because stories are bigger when it's the perp that's notable, rather than the victim. And that's unfortunate.
December 7th, 2017 at 2:30 PM ^
called on MSU to release the internal investigation. He said that just 2 days ago. That's a fairly big name in Michigan politics applying some pressure.
The Holidays are a slow news period, but this story probably becomes bigger in early 2018.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:19 PM ^
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December 7th, 2017 at 1:58 PM ^
is not how many charges or how many kids, but that evil is evil. One is not any darker black than the other.
So yeah, no need to compare the stats on this one. They're both depraved perpetrators, and both administrations are full of cowards who should be held accountable for failing to do what was right.
December 7th, 2017 at 9:40 PM ^
100% agree on the point you're making- that evil is evil, darkness is darkness- and from that perspective, the ‘stats’ are meaningless.
But there absolutely is a societal/cultural value to comparison here…
"When bad men combine, the good must associate, else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." -Edmund Burke
…and that value is you’re able to better understand the magnitude of cowardice of good men who, 1 by 1, looked the other way.
At a certain point, the void of good men reaches a critical mass where virtually every next good man will count the risk to self too great, and they lay down.
In this specific scenario you can make a pretty sound argument that the MSU statistics reveal a much bigger cultural problem than was uncovered at PSU…
The root is the same, but the scope is vastly different. Considering how many fewer years it took to reach this level vs. the situation at PSU, it’s hard to see any angle where the MSU situation isn’t much, much worse.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:55 PM ^
Nassar was molesting children while posing as a doctor and while on the clock. MSU brass basically told the victims to shut up and continued to protect him despite many allegations. MSU is far more complicit in this shitshow than even PSU was in theirs.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:21 PM ^
LAS and Hollis should be in the cell with him.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:21 PM ^
I am also completely bewildered at how (a) this has not heretofore gotten MSU in really hot water both legally and in the court of public opinion, and (b) how this is not a giant story and scandal at a national level.
December 7th, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^
because MSU isn't a national program, they're only a regional program....
*I'll show myself out*
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December 7th, 2017 at 1:23 PM ^
That said, I wish I had hope that the NCAA, MSU or someone would do the right thing and impose punishment - monetary, scholarships, whatever. But as we learned in the Ped State case, the mighty dollar will rule again.
Yes, if it were Michigan we would come clean and impose punishment. It’s the right thing to do. My goodness, we stretched for an extra 20 minutes in football and the world nearly came to an end. Investigations, reforms.... you name it. Any of that at MSU? Seriously, what is their response. Where there is smoke there is fire. Maybe Mork was right with his last tweet..... it is just getting started.