Aren't We Where We Should Be?
October 21st, 2017 at 11:01 PM ^
Why would we ever settle for or be ok with losing 4 games in a season?
October 21st, 2017 at 11:07 PM ^
Because we are rational adults who understand the mass departure of talent and limitations of young players?
Michigan fans are pretty good at having realistic preseason expectation, but then the games start and expectations go through the roof. Last year was The Year. This year is not.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:13 PM ^
Don’t care. Try to win 9 games, then miracle yourself a QB next year.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:27 PM ^
One of these weeks maybe all the moving parts will click. OL regressed today against a better team.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:15 PM ^
What exactly did Harbaugh win when he had all of those NFL-caliber players? One lackluster win over a 3-9 MSU team? Back to back third place finishes in the division? Ok, sweet.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:25 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:31 AM ^
do better than Jim Harbaugh (and if they do, they need to gtfo), but people are reasonable to think Jim Harbaugh can do better than Jim Harbaugh. He needs to hire better offensive coaches (and figure out what his role should be, maybe to give up more control).
And he needs to recruit/develop a better QB. I'm confident that he will, but it's disappointing that he hasn't to this point. So people are bitching. It's justified.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
All of this is fair.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
Look, Harbaugh's not going anywhere, and this fan base after RR and Hoke should still be fucking ecstatic to have him.
So let's start with the premise that you're not going to get someone better than Harbaugh as HC and go from there. Want to talk about Drevno? I'm with you. Want to talk about Jay Harbaugh and the RBs? Let's do it.
But can this bullshit talk about Harbaugh. For fuck's sake I thought (hoped) this fan base hit rock bottom after the pathetic response to the MSU loss, but it appears we're striving for worse now.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:24 AM ^
Amen to that. I'm delighted to have Harbaugh.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:59 AM ^
We were one inch away from going to the Big Ten title game, and perhaps playoffs. It's college football, shit happens
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:26 AM ^
The game was lost the play prior when the "elite" defense looked pathetic defending a fucking one yard swing pass and gave up 9 yards.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:31 AM ^
What exactly did Harbaugh win? What the hell are you smoking kid?
MSU last year
Wisconsin last year
PSU last year
Florida twice
Heck i'd throw last year's OSU game in there if it weren't for those OSU refs giving the game away.
You're pissed and I'm pissed just like everyone in Wolverine nation is pissed off right now. But have some perspective of where we were at before Harbaugh arrived to where we are right now. This was EXPECTED to be a rebuilding year and so far the results show.
Sheesh...sometimes Michigan critics can sometimes act like fucking entitled primadonnas.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:15 AM ^
That we will only lose 4-5 contributors after this year:
Hurst
Cole
Kugler
McCray
K. Hill (although he has had a pretty quiet year)
Sky is not falling. Let's think long term.
October 22nd, 2017 at 7:49 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:34 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:16 PM ^
Next year there will be no more excuses. This is the last year that rebuilding is acceptable. Hopefully Jim gets on the phone with TB and figures out how to properly run a quick passing offense by next year.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:10 AM ^
You say what I've been saying all along. Need to pass to run against the good defenses. Also need to stretch the boundaries, which I think they did well tonight considering they weren't getting much straight ahead. You cant run the ball smash mouth against the best teams unless you have the line and the runningbacks to do do it. Michigan's linemen are not tough at all. Have no conviction or badboy side. More like pretty boys pretending to play football. If the QB cant get time to throw, need to stretch the boundaries like with the bubble screens and although it's a running play, your sweeps fall into the category. Quick slants, curls, hooks, outs and circles are all great routes and easy for a QB to hit at close range for 5 yards a pop. When you get the defense biting on this stuff, you burn them over the top. Remember the greatest offense ever?? Yeah that was the forty-niner offense back in the 80's and early 90's. They had good running games too. I'm just saying that maybe it's time Michigan did something different. I know we all saw tonight how passing on first down looked. It was awesome.That's what this team has to do and work on. Get it done and hit it hard. That's the best chance for success on the season in the remaining big games. You aren't running the ball on Wisconsin or Ohio Cheat.
October 22nd, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:55 PM ^
All the preseason tempered expectations were completely derailed by us throttling what we thought was a decent Florida team. Turns out that was basically a classic Richrod-era M-ND game where both teams are just kinda average.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:13 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:35 AM ^
It's a lot easier to lose players and improve when you were 3-9.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:19 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:34 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:45 AM ^
So your reasoning to debunk our notion that "last year was the year" is some generic notion about college football being finicky?
UM's team last year had a lot of good players recruited by Hoke but behind them were the components of the Rivals 31st ranked recruiting class in 2014 and 50th ranked recruiting class in 2015 (Indiana was 49th, Wake Forest 51st).
This was a pathetic performance tonight, but forgive me for more fully analyzing the position in which UM finds itself.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:21 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 6:10 AM ^
How does Barkley turning pro = mass departures?
October 21st, 2017 at 11:06 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:11 PM ^
Im NOT with her
October 21st, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^
Penalty, politics, 10 yards, automatic first down
October 21st, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:07 PM ^
Because "accepting it will happen sometimes" is an adult response to situations like this.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:10 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:31 PM ^
This is the first time Michigan has gotten beaten this badly beyond the OSU game in 2015. PSU won the damn conference last year and lost by a bigger margin. Sometimes you lose games, sometimes the other team is better.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:35 PM ^
BronxBlue we should grab a drink sometime. Thanks for having something between your damn ears and regulating your emotions like an adult.
I'm like Hurley's on 47th, personally.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:01 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:13 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:10 PM ^
Yikes. You're missing out on the "regulating your emotions like an adult" part.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:38 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:51 AM ^
Wait, so now they were good last year and they are good this year? Getting hard to keep up with the changing narrative on Penn St. from some of you. Which is it?
October 22nd, 2017 at 6:12 AM ^
Yes, they were pretty good last year. And then they returned pretty much everybody and got even better. Really complicated stuff.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:05 PM ^
They were good because "Bubble Screen Franklin" was smart enough to see his time as the new-hot thing was expiring and without hiring a new offensive coordinator he was going to be shown the door. As repulsive as Franklin is, he has hired good-to-great coordinators.
Michigan hired a great coordinator in Brown, but who would consider anyone on the offensive side of the ball a great hire if they were hired away by another team?
October 21st, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^
Because it doesn't happen at Ohio State. All I heard was that Jim Harbaugh and his mega-staff were coming start a new 10 year war and to compete for a title every year. It seems to me that we're stuck as a program that can't turn the corner to become elite and no one wants to admit it.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
...a million times this.
Michigan is a second-rate program that can't beat its rivals and chokes away big games.
Show me proof this isn't true and I'll change my tune.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:56 PM ^
Michigan loses to MSU on a once-in-a-lifetime punter gaffe to end the game in '15, then by 4 in a monsoon with a backup QB who transferred because he was the backup QB at his previous school, and people want this to somehow be Exhibit A that it's Harbaugh's fault and indicative that he can't beat his rivals. And I'd love for you to make your case that last year's loss at OSU was Harbaugh's fault.
I'd show you the logical fallacies that make your post laughable but I'm not sure you'd understand them.
(As an aside, some picked FSU to beat Alabama in Week 1 this year, then they lost their starting QB in that game and now they'll enter November without a single win yet at home....)
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:16 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:33 AM ^
State had one long drive. TD on the screen (that frankly was pretty damn nice...they set up UM's defense perfectly, something else Drevno sucks at.)
The other one was after Isaac's fumble, then Bush takes a 15 yard personal foul penalty after Michigan gets a stop, extending the drive that ended up a TD instead of a FG try with a medicore kicker.
6 turnovers by an offense led by a backup QB at two different schools, but yeah, I'm an idiot.
And it's Harbaugh's fault.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:35 AM ^
I get it though. I'm pissed off too.
I'm just a bit more rational and able to reason through things rather than let my emotions dictate to me an irrational conclusion to which I try to force my analyses to prove.