Some interesting perspective from Joel Klatt: combine, Joe Milton, helmet comms/sign stealing
From yesterday - Joel Klatt talks about:
- JJ combine: JJ perhaps a top 10 pick and poised to have a good NFL career
- Joe Milton combine: great arm strength - may not translate to a solid NFL showing
- rule change to allow helmet comms (~ 44 minute mark): everyone supports it publicly but privately they don't want it because everyone steals signs
thought I had embedded correctly - I was wrong..apologies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi3b1n6h9Pg
Everyone steals signs? But what about player safety?
Next thing will be stealing cheeseburgers. If the coach has you dine and dash, he didn't pay for anything!
Everybody steals signs? Next you'll tell me that everyone is tampering with other team's players!
Before you know it, players will be getting paid.
and then keith jackson is DEAD
and SEE what you've DONE to this SPORT FOOLS
The fact that Espn/OSU/MSU/Big ten convinced the world that coaching sidelines during games are sacred is beyond belief. There are ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND smart phone devices in a stadium along with a national broadcast and you are telling me multi-million dollar coaches are saying "Nah hard pass - sanctity of the game and all that". Come the fuck on.
Also my favorite was the OSU sideline footage showing our coaches freaking out calling that it is going to be a pass play. Only in the world of OSU can you show video footage of our coaches being taped from your sidelines can you prove how unfair of an advantage we have.
I invite a rival fan to give me some angle Im not seeing.
Has even one of the supposed Stalions videos made it to the public? I certainly haven't been able to dig anything up. Seems like a difficult thing to keep locked up...unless they would definitively prove there's no competitive advantage at all.
How about the manifesto we all believed for some reason?
Sounds competitively fair. Let's single out one team and competitively trash them.
Milton will never make it in the nfl.
everyone does steal signs. Always have.
"...I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever..."
I'm old enough to get this joke. I mean it touched my heart.
Remember when we all thought we were about to win a national championship because Terrell Pryor will definitely commit to Michigan?
“University of Ohio State” are words that will live in hilarity.
Where you don't go to play school!
Troy Smith, TP, Braxton Miller (kinda), JOE BURROW, Justin Fields, Stroud, and McCord never won a national title for OSU
You know who won a national title for Michigan? JJ fuckin McCarthy
Joe Milton interceptions to Wisconsin with no Michigan players on the TV screen will be how I will always remember him
I was at that game - I think Joe M got in because McCaffrey had been brutally bludgeoned in the head. I turned to the Wisconsin people next to me and I said something like "this is Joe Milton, he has a cannon for an arm"
Then Milton threw that interception and I said "but it was a nice tight spiral".....
Stewart Mandel on X: "If football was played with no defenses, Joe Milton would be a legend."
I'll always remember good ol' Joe for sending people to the ER by throwing 150mph footballs 20 rows up above the endzone. As a fan you just don't prepare for those.
Taco is always there.
For those in the know..
Always open.
Good ole tacopants. I hope he never returns!
I'll always remember him at Tennessee for avoiding those Ole Miss defenders by running out of bounds...WITH NO TIME LEFT ON THE CLOCK.
Some scout is going to watch Milton throw the ball a mile at the combine and take a chance on his raw strength and draft him above much more NFL draft prospects.
Happens every year.
Keep him on staff for the hail Marys
That he will throw through the upright, ten rows up.
On the positive side, he DID manage to avoid interceptions this year and added rushing to his game.
On the other hand, he spent 6 years in college so he’ll be a 24 year old rookie (tomorrow is his birthday!), who had approximately one season’s of stats to go on, who has admitted that he didn’t bother applying himself until year 4 or 5, and as far as I can tell still has pretty bad mechanics.
I hope that some GM has a ton of faith in his team’s QB coach, because there’s some ground to make up there.
If he stays on the board until Day 3 he would be an interesting flyer.
yeah. You can put him in for that one trick play that everyone knows is coming. "Oh, it's Milton in at FB. I bet it's going to be a HB pass. Yup. Sure was. Lucky for them the ball ended up in the parking lot"
". . . the ball pops off the bat!" - Moneyball
And then convert him to tight end.
Sounds like a Raiders pick already.
Joe Milton will be this 2024 NFL Draft Memorial 'Okay okay...but maybe he'll be Josh Allen' draft pick
I like Klatt but I didn need him to tell me any of those things, I already knew it in my mind.
JJ is gonna be a dynamic QB in the NFL
Milton is way too inconsistent and erratic with his all world arm
Sign stealing "scandal" was the biggest bunch of BS ever. We boa constricted the top teams at the end of the season as well.
The scandal was bs because was the pot and kettle story. Everybody steals them as they should and it's part of competition, and quite hypocritical to cry foul on another.
Still baffled at the idea that teams use the same signs week in and week out.
I truly thought they changed them weekly. When all this nonsense broke.
I’m somewhat annoyed that the perp who orchestrated hiring the PI firm in the first place hasn’t been outed. We all know where it came from, but I want receipts, hard proof….and embarrassment and their faces scarlet from shame. It’s all been blown over and forgotten with the outstanding season, but it should be remembered and the perps should be outed! Zuniga, Bacon, et al-you listening???
It's wild how OSU isn't being called out by CFB fans for being such a big bitch. Not only do they steal signs themselves, but they hired a PI to try to take us down off the field because they couldn't take us down on the field and took down the whole institution of sign stealing in CFB as a whole in the process. They basically flipped the game board because they were losing. That doesn't even take into account their tampering and Catapult stuff
We all knew that everyone steals signs. Well, everyone but Little Tony Pettiti who handled the worst scandal in the history of the Big Ten.
What we did not know (or at least I didn't) until Klatt reported it in video was that the coaches wanted to keep signs so that they could steal other's signs. That's a whole new level of gamesmanship I wasn't aware of. I assumed coaches would be happy to get rid of signs once it was feasible for everyone.
It got brought up a few times on the podcasts; Seth in particular alleged that every team has a designated sign stealing guy.
I personally felt that was proven by an ESPN article that discussed helmet comms. People were giving some VERY thin excuses about how they couldn't afford modded helmets because it would void some warranties. Just very hard to beleive that a 5-figure cost would be that significant for teams that blow millions on crap like holograms in locker rooms.
It always felt to me like these college coaches think of themselves as little Pattons or little Napoleons. They like feeling like spymasters and sign stealing is a fun element of that for them.
"Pay no attention to our elevnty gazillion dollar waterfall/smoothie bar/biomechanical feedback/virtual reality/training center. Do you know how much walkie-talkies cost these days!?! It is outrageous! Even for players safety, we just can't afford it"
~Coach with a $40,000,000 contract
The fact that helmet comms aren't already in the college football game tells you what you need to know about whether or not coaches actually want it gone.
20-30 years ago, maybe you could make the argument that some schools just didn't have a budget for it. Which, I doubt it even then, but your Indianas, Vanderbilts, Utah States? Maybe that was true then.
But now? In a sport where the rich get richer every freaking year, where even Indiana is raking in truckloads of cash with crappy football teams? Helmet comms and the cost to implement them would barely be a drop in the bucket. You could implement them immediately, heck, make Michigan's punishment be that they have to pay for everyone's helmet comm setup in the Big Ten for the first year, and then the "atrocity" that is sign stealing goes away forever.
But the fact that this hasn't been implemented yet tells you what you need to know. Coaches don't want it gone. If they did, the comms would already be in place. Instead, you have blow-hards like Ryan Walters and Bret Bielema standing up and virtue signaling, whining and moaning about how Michigan had this unfair advantage, how its a gross assault on the game, when a freaking solution is staring them right in the face. To where big bad Michigan could never take advantage of them ever again.
AND THEY DON'T TAKE IT.
It's not about the sign stealing. It never was. They were tired of getting their teeth kicked in on the field, were desperate for an excuse as to why, and saw an opportunity and trash the program doing it to them.
Instead, you have blow-hards like Ryan Walters and Bret Bielema standing up and virtue signaling, whining and moaning about how Michigan had this unfair advantage
Which is hilarious since we know both of them had our signs in 2022
Exactly. Its virtue-signaling at its finest.
Exactly. Its virtue-signaling at its finest.
But think about how much schools could save on poster board.
Funniest thing about sign stealing is the joke from 2021 - thru scandal drop was that Michigan 'drowned the ferret' as in they started slow and then just ground people down. Very smart of us to just know every play that's going to be run but slow play it so no one caught on. 7D chess move
Very loosely related to everyone steals signs. I used to live in the Bay City area. One day I was driving through a rural part and there was a farm-looking yard with a large sign out front that read “Stop Stealing Our Stuff!!” I wanted to steal that sign in the hopes the next time I drove by I would see a sign that read “Stop Stealing Our ‘Stop Stealing Our Stuff!!’ Sign!!” Unfortunately, I never got around to it.