OT: Dune Part 2(no spoilers)
Big Dune reader here, saw part 2 about a week ago, going tonight again. Also a big fan of Denis Villeneuve(arrival, sicario, prisoner).
I highly suggest you see this on the biggest screen you can. I thought it was great, some changes from the book but I think they make sense. Amazing pace that breezes by. If you loved part 1, you'll love this.
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Saw part 1 in 3D on my TV. I also seen the part 2 about 6 months ago on movies2watch.tv even with all the work arounds. Sometime soon it will be in 2d and 3d rendered on 3Donlinefilms.com. 3D to see this movie is another world. Kinda like Dr. Strange Multiuniverse. Great mvoie.
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So say we all? (LOL)
I hated it. Nothing worse than a movie that takes hours to get through that could have been half as long. So much redundant scenery and dialogue. I'm also not a fan of the music. How many hours of a woman yodeling at the top of her lungs can a human endure?
It's Friday though. No more complaining even though I could go on.
Well, you'll always have fast and the furious series.
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
Not a fast and furious fan btw.
My feelings are fine. Just trying to be funny (failed).
No worries, my opinion is clearly in the minority. It's getting very favorable reviews. My family enjoyed it too.
You probably don't dig the Denis style. You ever try arrival? Blade runner 2049? Prisoner?
Loved blade runner 2049. Prisoners was excellent. Indifferent on arrival. It was fine.
What made you love blade runner 2049?
Since you are a hillbilly I will take your review of Dune as an endorsement for non-hillbillies
Take it for what it’s worth but I loved it.
Disagreement in the hillbilly population's movie reviews is too confusing to me, not sure what to do. My world is destroyed.
Yeah, that singing (I use the term loosely) is easily the least enjoyable part of the movie. the woman is apparently getting speared with a hockey stick. Assuming he is a Sparty. crosschecking her in the neck or something like that.
I’ll concur…I’m as big a sci fi fan there is. I wanted to like Dune so much, but didn’t last past the opening 30-45 min and couldn’t finish.
Blade Runner original and 2049 might make my top 10 list 🤷♂️
Brian: "Gentlemen you had my curiosity ... but now you have my attention."
"Yeah I'm into Dune 2, Dune 2 chicks at the same time man"
It's the first thing I'd do if won a million dollars
Got my tickets for an Imax showing on the 5th.
Super excited to see it on Imax...praying Dune Messiah gets green lit.
I am a big fan of the books, but I have learned to accept that this isn't going to be 'exactly' like the books; its an adaptation. You have to judge the movie that's made and not the movie you wanted made.
My gawd. I never saw Dune, but just read the wiki. It takes someone with an IQ of 180 to understand the fucking plot.
Plans within plans...
Its depth of the plot and the detail that went into the world-building is what made the Dune books so beloved by its fans.
Its basically a sci-fi epic with the plot depth of Game of Thrones and the detailed world-bulding of Lord of the Rings.
The Ringer has another theory about what the movie is.
What does Magic Dick Theory even have to do with Dune? Didn’t we just say that traditional chosen-one narratives typically give the hero a sword or something swordlike, a phallic object that becomes the key to unlocking his special destiny? But there’s not really a magic sword in Dune, is there? Huh. Well, maybe when Frank Herbert sat down to write the novel, he decided to skip the overt penis symbolism and go for something more subtle, less obviou—OH MY GOD, THE GIANT FUCKING WORMS.
I laughed.
I might be the only person who liked the 1984 version. ugh!
Beyond that, I did like the first Dune a couple years ago. However, I think Timothee Chamolet to be an overrated actor.
I also prefer the 1984 version, as flawed as it is.
Saw 84 a few weeks ago in the theater. What a trip. The Baron is just gross...
The Baron in the 84 version would not make it in today's world. IIRC, in the books, the Baron is gay. In the 84 film version (not in the books), his sores are implied to be from HIV/AIDS.
EDIT: corrected spelling error for sores.
Yeah, he's kinda coded as bisexual in the books, although I can't remember if it's stated outright, or just left it as an implication. Either way, it feels like an aspect of his character that's tied in with his hedonism and cruelty, which is... certainly a problematic association to make. David Lynch just took that idea and turned it up to, I dunno, 13 or so.
Not the only person. Overall I found it more impactful than 2021. In the Lynch film I cared about the characters much more, ironically even though Villeneuve spent more time character building on Caladan. Lynch showed a warmth the Atreides had with each other that was lacking in the newer one, in which they were cold and austere. That much is in-character for the Atreides outwardly, but they are not supposed to be like that with each other. Not simply as a matter of integrity to the source material, but for making a film with characters people give a damn about. Their dull austerity was surpassed only by the Harkonnens, who are characteristically more flamboyant and exuberant in their villainy; theirs was a very striking change of character and the simplifying, muting effect is palpable.
The fact that both the noble families we spend the most time with were basically the same — cold, severe, aesthetically minimalist (really, pretty much all the characters are depicted thusly) — just creates a dull impression from the film. Very little emotional engagement with the audience, which was exacerbated by its hasty pacing and IMO over-emphasis on action sequences. And given that these are galactic aristocracy, with worlds of wealth at their disposal, the fact that they aren’t more ostentatious does not compute. The film was very much playing to the stylistic sensibility of early 21st century middle class Americans with their love of bland “modern farmhouse” aesthetic while depicting what should be an extravagant spacefaring feudal society, and as such disrupts one’s suspension of disbelief, I vouch.
That said, Dune 2021 is visually a very impressive film and some of the acting was excellent (with some uninspiring acting as well). And the ornithopters are freaking sweet. Also a cool soundtrack from Hans Zimmer. Overall entertaining, worth a watch for fans of sci fi or epic films in general, and I certainly plan to see part 2 in theaters. But I think Lynch did a better job with character development and creating emotional impact.
Do you write movie reviews for a living? If not, you should.
Thanks. Just a movie buff but Dune was some formative IP for me growing up so I care a lot and gave this some thought. Really wanted to love the new film(s) and while I see a lot of positives, I can’t say I fell in love with the first one. Maybe part 2 will bring it home.
I haven't seen Dune 2 yet, but based on Dune 1 (which I really liked), here is my uneducated opinion in trying to compare it to the Lynch version.
Directors: it seemed that Lynch was handcuffed by trying the get the whole story captured in one movie. Villeneuve seemed to have more freedom which surely benefited him.
Story: Far more drawn out in the Villeneuve version, which I though dragged at times. But it did give me a little more about the people on Arrikis which was basically lacking in the Lynch version
Character Casting: I think both did a great job. As mentioned in a previous post, I'm not a fan of Timothee Chamolet's acting. I think he is too weak compared to Kyle MacLachlan take on the character. With that, I think Zendaya is a better Chani compared to Sean Young (who didn't so a bad job)
Soundtrack: Hans Zimmer is the best at soundtracks, but Toto was not horrible considering their popularity in the 80s.
After watching 84 a few weeks ago, I noticed the characters barley speak to each other. A lot of time is spent on internal thoughts(which I know is heavy in the book and works there). Chani, has.. Like 5 lines? After watching part 1 and 2.. it's not even close imo.
Nope, I thoroughly enjoyed the 1984 version. But I'm not a movie-analyzer-then-critique type. Do I enjoy a movie? Yes? Then I consider it good. And I enjoyed the 1984 version.
I read the first two, maybe three, books and it's just too much world-building for me. It took me a long time to get through the GoT books, and I DNF the Wheel of Time series. Just too ponderous.
Saw it last night. It was stunning. Absolute masterpiece
I'm a huge fan of the books and enjoyed Part 1, but my takeaway from that was, "These planet leaders are really spending a lot in resources just to have 10,000 people stand in formation to watch a spaceship land." You'd think that maybe if they were a little more thrifty they wouldn't have to go to war over spice.
Someone starts talking about Dune and I reply with, "ah, the biznochhaderoch' and we laugh.
It is great sci-fi and I look forward to seeing part 2
My wife and I are going tonight, super excited about it.
Also, who could forget this post that when Harbaugh was hired, he was called the Michigan Muad'Dib. I have to say, he certainly live up to the expectations.
I'm not a huge Dune fan (A+ worldbuilding, D+ story), but I hope it does well so Hollywood will be more willing to pour money into passion projects by great directors and "serious" sci-fi book adaptations, rather than the same old sequels and franchise reboots we see every summer.
I agree, but its not looking good. I just read that the main audience that movies used to attract (people under 18 years old) have a hard time identifying movie stars. However, they have no problem identifying YouTube stars.
But after the faithful succeeded, there was jihad...
Sorry but I thought Part 1 was horrible and unwatchable. They just did jump cuts from one action scene to another and there was no world building or character development
I first read the books when I was at Michigan, more than 40 years ago. I am old as a sandworm. I will be taking four of the children to the movie tonight. Looking forward to it.
Cool. Let me know how Christian Bale performs. I'd be curious if he still has his mojo.
just think if we could get one of those things to visit columbus and swallow up the giant toilet. oh boy, i'd pay big $ to watch that. heck, i'd pay to see an animation of that.
[anxiously waiting for some super talented EECS major to pick up this project]
Unfortunately, if we released sandtrout into the Old ‘n tangy river they’d probably be poisoned to death
How do they get off the sand worm?