Athletes sue power 5 for not getting paid.
States that it's against anti-trust laws. Harbaugh charged with putting unsafe thoughts in young minds and will be suspended for the next game per TP. /s, maybe?
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39064621/athletes-sue-ncaa-power-5-not-getting-paid
December 7th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^
Should also say, the NCAA and the Power 5. If a mom can update it, I'd be super stoked.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:20 PM ^
Mommy, help!
December 7th, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^
MILF
Moderators I’d Like to Furbish (this thread title)
December 7th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^
Moderators I'd Like to Fix?
December 7th, 2023 at 2:20 PM ^
Who is TP? Thamel, Pete? The Pete (Finebaum)? Tpat Pforde? Terrell Pryor? Tony Posada?
December 7th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
/s right??
If not: Tony Petitti
December 7th, 2023 at 2:23 PM ^
Tony Petitti!!!
December 7th, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^
Never heard of him. Sounds like more of a backstage guy.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:33 PM ^
He shall now be referred to as Tiny Petitepeeny.
December 7th, 2023 at 6:15 PM ^
P-tittie
December 7th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^
There's a reason we called it "white gold" in the fraternity when I was an undergrad--when you don't have it, it's worth its weight in gold.
December 7th, 2023 at 9:28 PM ^
Everybody murders
December 7th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
"I want a little antitrust exemption," Baker said.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:33 PM ^
How is Baker's comment NOT 100% damning to the NCAA's case? LOL
December 7th, 2023 at 2:54 PM ^
Asking Congress for an antitrust exemption is not the same as admitting to a court that the NCAA violates antitrust law.
Antitrust and sports are a messy intersection; any league/governing body would kill for an exemption like the MLB's.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:23 PM ^
Are these really written rules or just spirited apparitions of rules?
Would Nic Satan represent these institutions and should someone summarily suspend him forever for using these ill gotten gains to light stoagies?
December 7th, 2023 at 9:21 PM ^
Pro sports leagues are some of the most blatant violations of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act out there. Hard to get away with it if the players aren’t on board.
December 8th, 2023 at 8:42 AM ^
I faced Jeff Kessler back in the day when I was representing the NBA and he the players association. A bit of a prima donna, but a brilliant lawyer. He had the thickest New Yawk accent you'll ever hear. Very entertaining. "Did you say two utes? What's a ute?"
December 7th, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^
<insert Family Guy scene where Stewie is hitting Brian with a bat asking "Where's my Money? You got money for fake mustaches!" >
December 7th, 2023 at 2:39 PM ^
Baby, I got your money, don't you worry,
I said, Hey,
Baby I got your money
December 7th, 2023 at 6:07 PM ^
Thus spake DJ Quik: "Bitch betta have my money". Fly Guy as well.
December 7th, 2023 at 6:21 PM ^
one of the best of all time
Quik is the name
December 7th, 2023 at 6:23 PM ^
Love some ODB
i say hey, dirty, baby I got ya money dont ya worry
December 7th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^
"There are hundreds of people involved in NCAA sports..........."
Math much?
December 7th, 2023 at 4:39 PM ^
There are hundreds of people involved in Michigan football alone!
December 7th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^
Because it's unsafe to wanna be paid for doing a job.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^
Down goes fraiz…er I mean the NCAA
December 8th, 2023 at 6:53 AM ^
Winning!
December 7th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^
Rutgers ans Maryland were in financial abyss. Now, it seems they are doing fine thanks to the top two teams in the league and those players who make it happen on the field. Pay those players and get some of those money back to UM and OSU.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:06 PM ^
Pageantry definition in College Football:
Pageantry: Leaving out FSU in playoff for Meaux Money.
Imagine in the NFL if this happened. Stupid stuff. Pay the People!
December 7th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^
Another new suit (led by the Ohio AG) seeks to end the one-year rule for multiple uses of the portal. Apparently inspired by a couple of basketball players signed by Cincinnati.
Now that "your pay is your scholarship" and "you must be an amateur to play" are untenable concepts for the NCAA, all this should happen, no doubt. I agree with that concept - it's time to discard the NCAA rulebook on eligibility. Pay elite athletes a percentage of the billions that go to major college football programs.
The big question is what remains afterward. It's not just the handful of power-4 football programs that make a lot of money. It's every non-power-4 football program, most non-division I men's basketball programs and every other sport at every university that's funded by student fees or donations or legislatures.
What's happening should be happening. But on behalf of every athlete who has had an opportunity to go to college because of a 1/2 scholarship on a team that plays in front of family and friends only, I hope they can manage the aftermath.
December 7th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^
Since NIL happened, there are all kinds of consequences. Another that I have mentioned before, since it is inevitable that the athletes are going to be seen/treated as employees, the 4/5/6 year limit on their employment at various universities is completely untenable. Those that can't move on to the NFL can become journeymen in college. No other occupation has such limits on its employees. Additionally, requirements that they have so many credit hours per term/make progress towards a degree are also untenable. No other employees at the university have such requirements.
In only a couple of years the landscape of college football will be vastly different than what it was just a few years ago.
December 8th, 2023 at 9:45 AM ^
To be eligible for the NFL draft, players must have graduated high school at least three years earlier. The alleged basis for this requirement is player safety, i.e., it isn't safe for an 18-year old to play against much older athletes. Maurice Clarett sued the NFL for an antitrust violation, challenging the elgibility rule. He lost. Presumably, a maximum eligibility rule could be enforced under the auspices of player safety for 18-year old freshman.
Additionally, there are university positions that are only available to students, including graduate student instructors, work study positions, etc. Graduate student instructors are probably a better comparison because they, generally, both have their tuition paid and receive a stipend (and an undergraduate who is not progessing toward their degree is not going to pay tuition just to have a work study job). Graduate students who are not making progress towards their degrees are asked to leave their graduate programs and would, therefore, be inelgibile for employment in those positions moving forward.
December 7th, 2023 at 8:58 PM ^
What's going to happen is the some schools will have their charters altered to allow them to run professional sports teams, and some won't. The schools that can't run pro sports teams will spin off their sports teams into independent entities with no ties to the schools. The those entities will die because no one gives a shit about crap pro football when the NFL already does it.
College football will die choking on the money, and then the follow-on entities will die from lack of money.
It will be interesting to see if enough universities care enough to gain and keep the power to run a pro sports team in order to keep some competition going between them. I suspect that, once it is just pros and not students playing, even those schools will lose interest.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:25 PM ^
So we're cool with ESPN now?
December 7th, 2023 at 3:41 PM ^
Hopefully we can enjoy this year though to the championship game.
Because with NIL, lawsuits, paid players, the portal, and too much power in the hands of too few (Tony Pettiti, the CFP, ESPN, ect) people making unfair unilateral decisions, this is the last of college sports as we’ve known it. Money, without any structure and restrictions for fairness and parity, will be the bitter end.
For example, players should be compensated. But without restrictions that can be monitored, like salary caps and no competitive bidding, college athletics will look similar to European Football where each league has one or two teams that win the championship every year.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:43 PM ^
People being compensated millions for playing, organizing, and coaching a playground game fight over who gets the biggest piece of pie.
Middle class fans watch the squabble and end up paying for it all.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:51 PM ^
This makes me even more upset about FSU being left out. Those kids played their hearts out, risked injury, one suffered a gruesome injury, and didn’t make the CFP. They could’ve at least been able to share in the revenue.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:53 PM ^
This calls for a soundtrack- take it away, Ben Folds Five...
December 7th, 2023 at 5:45 PM ^
And don't forget to give me back my black tshirt.
December 7th, 2023 at 4:05 PM ^
I need to get some "amateurs" to do all my landscape work, prices for the pros are ridiculous these days. I mean, come on, they get to learn all about how to do the work AND they get to do it under my coaching!
December 7th, 2023 at 4:05 PM ^
The big question for me is whether counting athletes as employees and paying them as such would shield the universities from having to match payments made to football and basketball players with similar payouts to other athletes in non revenue generating sports. The ugly truth is that in order to truly have fair compensation for the revenue athletes, schools will require a Title IX workaround.
December 7th, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^
Definitely going to have to consider revenue vs. non-revenue sports. Currently only football, mens basketball, and mens hockey are the only ones making and sort positive revenue.
December 7th, 2023 at 6:02 PM ^
A by product of all this will be the elimination of many sports at smaller universities. No one wants to hear this but it will happen
December 7th, 2023 at 6:20 PM ^
Definitely going to have to consider revenue vs. non-revenue sports. Currently only football, mens basketball, and mens hockey are the only ones making and sort positive revenue.
At *some* schools. You might want to look into the financial mess that the University of Washington Athletic Department is in due to the costs of its football program.
That those sports support other sports at all or even most schools is a myth.
December 7th, 2023 at 6:59 PM ^
I'm pretty sure an accountant can figure out how to lower the $37.62 million in coaches salary, $37.93 million in Support and Administrator Compensation/Severance pay, the $19.41 million in travel costs (imagine teams being forced to go back to regional conferences, so they can pay their athletes). Then there's the $47.75 million spent on facilities and equipment!
Going off the information found here. On average each of the 886 athletes at Michigan receive around 31k in student aid per year. There is still plenty of fat that can be trimmed to pay all of the athletes. Paying students doesn't seem to be an issue for any other part of universities except their athletic departments.
Now, comparing Michigan to the rest of the schools is where the problem is, there's are only a handful or two that can do this and because schools like Michigan are spending much more than they need to other universities are going in debt trying to keep up. It's a problem with no easy solution.
December 7th, 2023 at 9:03 PM ^
Title IX would not apply to employees. It applies only to students, which your pro football players would not be.