November 9th, 2021 at 9:31 PM ^
The committee agrees - we got jobbed against MSU
November 9th, 2021 at 9:37 PM ^
The elephant in the room, diplomatically not brought up by anyone on the show.
November 10th, 2021 at 7:27 AM ^
The other elephant in the room is Alabama, what the hell have they done? They've beaten nobodys, they haven't won convincingly. They have a loss to a two loss team. If Cincinnati and Oklahoma are getting jobbed over lackluster wins, why aren't the Crimson Tide?
November 10th, 2021 at 8:20 AM ^
It’s the exact same argument for Michigan over msu, the committee thinks they are better. And bama being at 2 is why that is a bad argument you don’t want to be the decision making process as funny as this weeks ranking is. You can’t not have a problem with Michigan over msu but have a problem with bama at #2
November 10th, 2021 at 9:41 AM ^
Listening to the cover 3 podcast they brought up a really good point last night. Every team in sec west was ranked last week or this week. This props up the wins of Alabama and balances the loss.
November 9th, 2021 at 9:39 PM ^
Yeah, cue the disrespekt card, interesting how none of the so called experts mentioned the conference apologized for the clown ref show and how that hugely impacted the end result.
Someone below dubbed them the Fighting Tuckers, I prefer the Tighting Fuckers, cause you know.....fuck them!!!
November 9th, 2021 at 9:41 PM ^
Wow, Mick you are bring heat on a Tuesday night CFP ranking ?
Good passion my man!
November 9th, 2021 at 9:49 PM ^
Thanks Pete, always respect your input, Go Blue brother!!!
November 9th, 2021 at 9:59 PM ^
Where is this B1G apology? I must have missed that
November 9th, 2021 at 10:13 PM ^
Angelique asked Harbaugh in yesterdays presser if the B1G said anything about it, and he said that yes, they did admit mistakes. And not only for the TD, but a few other calls also.
November 9th, 2021 at 11:15 PM ^
Apparently the rumors of Mel Tucker to LSU have some validity to them.
November 10th, 2021 at 5:14 AM ^
Of course they do, Mel is riding as high as he'll go. He's reached that Hoke 11-2 level. It will come crashing down. He left Colorado high and dry after telling them he's committed. There's no reason why he wouldn't do it to MSU. They are delusional in thinking that just simply giving him a huge paycheck will keep him there. LSU has better resources, better athletes regionally, and a much better pedigree for championships.
MSU is smoking the "good stuff" thinking Mel will stay
November 10th, 2021 at 8:09 AM ^
most coaches that leave msu for lsu win a national championship.... hard to turn that opportunity down.
lol
November 10th, 2021 at 8:03 AM ^
Mick, had to log in to upvote. Your post is GOLD sir, kudos!
November 9th, 2021 at 10:16 PM ^
I mean forget the call. They have gone in 4-1 in games in which they were outgained in. Three of those they were massively outgained. One of those being an at home battle against us. Meanwhile they just got pounded by Purdue.
They have worse wins and a considerably worse loss and the head to head win was at home in a game in which they needed every break to win.
November 9th, 2021 at 10:41 PM ^
I mean that’s fine and all but it’s a terrible decision to try to parse things like that. It’s also logically inconsistent to then have Oregon above osu. This ranking is objectively hilarious because of the reaction from msu but nobody should really be celebrating the committee being inconsistent and valuing perception over games on the field
November 9th, 2021 at 10:50 PM ^
Why? These rankings are supposed to be about which teams are objectively better. Michigan is objectively the better team. The objectively better team doesn’t always win the game, though.
November 9th, 2021 at 11:28 PM ^
Ok and OSU is objectively the better team than Oregon by basically any measure. Doing one without the other just screams that what they are really saying is they think Michigan is a bigger brand that will lead to better rankings
Also, I don't really think its a good thing for the decision to essentially be a power ranking rather than actually based on results on the field. This is how you get two SEC teams constantly. Georgia and Alabama are two of the four best teams in college football, is it really a better system to know Georgia losing to Alabama in the championship game means nothing? Why even bother having a national championship game? Just do a power rank at the end of the season and give the championship to Georgia
November 9th, 2021 at 11:46 PM ^
I don't necessarily think it's inconsistent to reward a head-to-head win for the road team (e.g. Oregon in Columbus) but not for a 3-4 point head-to-head win for a home team. Point spreads generally give 3-4 points to a home team, so such a margin implies the teams are about even. It's why we use the caveat "on a neutral field" so often.
BTW did the committee spokesman explicitly say that Oregon is ahead of OSU strictly due to head-to-head, or are we just deducing their reasoning (when other factors -- like OSU's poor schedule thus far -- might be involved)?
November 10th, 2021 at 8:59 AM ^
I think the committee is saying Oregon's loss might be better than MSUs. They lost by 7 on the road, in OT. But beat Ohio St on the road, convincingly. OSU has yet to beat a ranked team.
MSU has 1 ranked win that the committee is all but saying shouldn't have happened, and 1 bad loss to a 3 loss team.
I pound the table for head to head, if all things are equal...but if you lose to an unranked opponent by double digits? Ehh...
November 10th, 2021 at 11:16 AM ^
Agreed, the argument against Oregon is that Stanford loss, but Stanford is a *much* better team with Tanner McKee at QB. He played against Oregon but not in their blowout losses. (Jack West is one of the worst QBs ever -- he should be renamed Hunter Johnson West.) A good committee would consider this. Also, Oregon led the entire way against Stanford. Stanford tied it at the end (helped by an arguably bad PI call). Whereas MSU trailed throughout a double digit loss to Purdue.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:11 AM ^
Oregon beat OSU at OSU, in a game where they lead the entire way, and without the best player in the country.
Oregon lost to Stanford, at Stanford, in a game where they got jobbed by the refs on what should've been the last play of the game. Discounting Oregon's loss to Stanford is actually consistent with discounting Michigan's loss to MSU for similar reasons (close loss, hostile territory, questionable and hugely significant calls).
Also, the hypothesis that Michigan's higher ranking has something to do with being a bigger brand...why didn't that result in Ohio State getting ranked higher than Oregon?
November 10th, 2021 at 6:29 AM ^
In that case, it's subjective. I mean, factually, yeah we were jobbed, but ultimately we lost the game. Alabama is subjective; they aren't as dominating as they've been in the past, but there they are at number 2 because people's opinions say they belong there. Objectively, Ohio State has been more dominant and probably should have been number 2 weeks ago.
November 9th, 2021 at 10:51 PM ^
They aren't valuing "perception" over "games on the field." They looked at the games on the field and concluded that Michigan is a better team, which is a fact recognized by everyone outside the Axe-scented cesspool of East Lansing.
None of this matters anyway. MSU isn't beating Penn State or Ohio State. I'm not sure they're winning another game this year.
November 9th, 2021 at 11:24 PM ^
Not trying to speak for the committee, and I'm not saying UofM deserves to be ranked ahead of State (but I'll take it), but the Oregon situation is different, their win is clearly superior, being on the road and they won by a touchdown.
November 9th, 2021 at 11:25 PM ^
Oregon won by 7 in Columbus in completely non flukey action. Not at all comparable.
Bottom line is we are better on paper and we would be favored on a neutral game.
Head to head is obviously not a logically sound approach unless you think Stanford is better than Oregon and OSU.
November 9th, 2021 at 11:35 PM ^
MSU winning that game wasn't 'flukey'. According to the advanced stats that get used to prove Michigan is better than MSU, MSU's win over Michigan was less flukey than Michigan's win over Nebraska.
OSU is clearly better than Oregon on paper and would be favored in a head to head. Over course you can't rely solely on head to head but when you have two similar resumes, which given that MSU is 7th is clearly the case here, head to head should absolutely be a tiebreaker. Literally the entire internet I have seen agrees a ranking that has Michigan over MSU but Oregon over OSU is a stupid inconsistent system.
November 9th, 2021 at 11:55 PM ^
That "literally the entire internet" thinks something hardly makes that thing correct
The strictly-head-to-head argument falls apart quickly because you always have the unspoken caveat: "when comparing teams with the exact same number of losses." (Otherwise you would have to put Purdue ahead of MSU).
That means that if MSU loses 49-0 to Maryland, their second loss helps U-M because it means that we are no longer held back due to being compared to MSU. That doesn't make any sense, because MSU is that much worse a loss for U-M. H2H and 'quality of loss' are conflicting criteria.
November 10th, 2021 at 5:42 AM ^
Oregon was also without it's best player during that OSU win. They won on the road against a spread that highly favored OSU (14.5 points). They could be a better team today than OSU, but with OSU's improvements it's also difficult to show certainty. Hence we have a group of humans taking a stand and another group of human voices disagreeing.
November 10th, 2021 at 7:12 AM ^
Are you trying to say that if the upset was by a swing of just one score it is not a fluke?
November 10th, 2021 at 9:00 AM ^
What advanced stat accounts for the officials blatantly re-officiating a play that changed the entire course of the game? I must have missed that on S&P+ somewhere.
"The entire internet I have seen" - oh ok.
November 10th, 2021 at 8:21 AM ^
The only reason you don't like it is because it does nothing to help you validate your hate towards Harbaugh. Face it, all you do is complain about Harbaugh's teams. Now that he has a team that looks as good as the one in 2016, you're just manufacturing shit to dump on it.
November 9th, 2021 at 10:29 PM ^
If they’re going to rank us ahead of MSU because of terrible refereeing, they should make that clear. I would be all for this ranking if that were the case. But the reasoning that guy gave was terrible. It doesn’t matter if Michigan is the better team if they lost to MSU. If we’re just going to do power rankings, why even play the game?
November 10th, 2021 at 7:55 AM ^
This would have been a completely reasonable thing to say a week ago. Now it’s trolling.
November 9th, 2021 at 10:38 PM ^
Either that or the committee values momentum and not losing to a unranked team by double digits
November 9th, 2021 at 10:47 PM ^
Why not just rank Michigan above msu last week then?
November 9th, 2021 at 10:57 PM ^
Because Purdue hadn't happened yet.
November 9th, 2021 at 11:39 PM ^
The argument being made is that Michigan is the better team because the head to head was a flukey loss. If the head to head didn't prove MSU was better 7 days later it didn't prove it at the time either.
November 10th, 2021 at 12:05 AM ^
No, let me clear this up for you:
The committee does not think it was a “flukey loss.”
The committee watched the game and saw the blatant SCREW JOB by a horribly incompetent officiating crew.
MSU getting exposed as a fraud in a double-digit loss to an unranked 5-3 team in their very next game was all the confirmation the committee needed.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:09 AM ^
Thank you!
November 10th, 2021 at 9:55 AM ^
Exactly. Plus factor in that the rubber meets the road the next 3 weeks for any team not named Cincinnati. If MSU, OSU or Michigan wins out than they’re in. Bama beating Georgia throws a wrench in Cincinnati’s hope and I look for Oregon to drop 1 somewhere, probably Utah. I like Cincinnati and would be cheering more if Fickel wasn’t their coach but does anyone actually think if they squeak in at 4 that they would have a snowballs chance in hell against Georgia? More times than not the committee gets this right in the end.
November 24th, 2021 at 7:16 AM ^
Stranger things have happened.
November 9th, 2021 at 9:31 PM ^
Sparty #7
November 9th, 2021 at 9:38 PM ^
Even #7 is too high. But their upcoming losses will correct that.
November 9th, 2021 at 9:32 PM ^
Msu #7 ?- the disrespect is palpable!
November 9th, 2021 at 9:51 PM ^
LSU would never
November 9th, 2021 at 9:32 PM ^
Suck it Fighting Tuckers!!!
November 9th, 2021 at 9:32 PM ^
MSU didn’t win that game. The Refs won that game for them.
November 9th, 2021 at 9:32 PM ^
Sparty, Sieben!