OT: The Cleveland Indians are no longer
Maybe they'll be the CBT this year?
Cleveland’s Baseball Team Will Drop Its Indians Team Name https://nyti.ms/2Wb6EXF
December 13th, 2020 at 8:33 PM ^
Surprised the name lasted as long as it did. Regardless, I think this is the correct move.
December 13th, 2020 at 10:46 PM ^
I’m just glad this symbol of intolerance is gone because there are two things I can’t stand in this world: People who are Intolerant to other people’s cultures, and the Dutch.
December 14th, 2020 at 6:33 AM ^
I heard Absorbine Jr isn’t a fan of carnies either.
December 14th, 2020 at 8:40 AM ^
So which previously banned user are you?
December 14th, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^
As a graduate of Holland High School I applaud your condemnation of the Dutch. They should drop the name “Dutchmen” and name them selves the stealing destroyers of Indian lands and culture, or maybe just “Indians” for short so the Indian culture can be reborn.
December 13th, 2020 at 8:34 PM ^
Wow. Never ever thought I'd see the day
I wonder what the future of teams like the Braves, Blackhawks, etc are going to be
December 13th, 2020 at 9:21 PM ^
I am still HIGHLY offended by the Fighting Irish.
December 13th, 2020 at 9:22 PM ^
Literally LOL’d. Some of this stuff is getting ridiculous.
December 14th, 2020 at 8:49 AM ^
What's next? Is the state of Indiana going to have to change its name to Hoosierana now?
December 14th, 2020 at 10:09 AM ^
There is a move to rename ND's mascot to the "Pugnacious Celts".....
Also PETA might make moves to get rid of animals as mascots since it dehumanizes them...
December 13th, 2020 at 9:48 PM ^
Which is why they changed it to the Fig-thing Irish....
December 13th, 2020 at 10:12 PM ^
What about the Boston Celtics? They don’t even PRONOUNCE it correctly.
December 13th, 2020 at 10:35 PM ^
Bostonians don't pronounce English correctly.
December 13th, 2020 at 10:56 PM ^
No shit. Can’t tell you how annoying it is listening to my Massachusetts relatives talk about how great LAHHRY BAHRD and BAHBBY ORAHH were when they played in the BAHSTAN GAHDAN.
December 13th, 2020 at 11:47 PM ^
Have them talk to you about former Red Sox player Nomar Garciaparra.
December 14th, 2020 at 4:48 AM ^
Oh God... He was the worst. NOMAH!!!! He’s going to better than Jeteah!
December 14th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^
I live in Massachusetts and get shit for my midwestern accent. And we all get shit from the west coasters.
December 13th, 2020 at 11:03 PM ^
"Seltick" is, in fact, the traditional English pronunciation of Celtic. The Celtic Football Club in Scotland is pronounced likewise.
The "Keltic" pronunciation is a newer trend that attempts to mimic the pronunciation in Celtic languages themselves.
December 14th, 2020 at 6:43 AM ^
Not sure about Celtic languages. I believe it attempts to mimic the original Greek word Κελτοί (keltoi), neglecting the fact that k (or hard c) sounds often become soft c sounds during the transition from an ancient language to English. (Cf. Cecilia.)
December 14th, 2020 at 8:41 AM ^
The Greek pronunciation had the /k/ sound, but my understanding is that the current Celtic languages pronounce it with that also, and the trend came from a desire to approximate that.
It bugs me a little because it violates a rule of pronunciation : C is soft before the letters E and I.
December 13th, 2020 at 10:14 PM ^
This issue has nuance (like with FSU where they have the active participation of the Seminole Nation), but I'm pretty sure that your admirable lack of offense doesn't mean that these mascots/names can't be hurtful to others.
December 13th, 2020 at 10:30 PM ^
I just don’t see how the name “Indian” can be offensive. I can see how it is incorrect (Didn’t land in India and Native Americans is probably better term). Furthermore, I have never ever heard anyone utter the word “Indian” as a racial slur of any kind. But if a significant population of native Americans find the term “Indian” offensive (which I would bet my 401k they don’t) then change the name.
Now, their mascot was totally offensive and a horrible representation of Native peoples. That shite should have been changed decades ago. Glad to see that dude gone.
December 13th, 2020 at 11:15 PM ^
The word "Indian" isn't necessarily offensive, but the context matters. The issue is that for 120 years, you had non-Indians appropriating that name in their competition. And then it was combined with a totally over-the-top logo, tomahawk chop, etc., that made it made it seem like the intention was to describe them as primitive, warlike beings.
Imagine that you had a sports team that called itself the "Africans," with a mascot in blackface...
December 13th, 2020 at 11:38 PM ^
Or a sports team calling fighting Irish with a mascot dressed up like a leprechaun
December 14th, 2020 at 12:22 AM ^
Notre Dame calls themselves the Fighting Irish because they have lots of Irish folks on the team, at the school, and involved in the decision to call themselves that in the first place. How many Native Americans have played for Cleveland or were involved in the naming process?
December 14th, 2020 at 1:39 AM ^
That is not why the Fighting Irish have that name. They actually stole it from a local high school. It was always to make fun of the Irish. Notre Dame, as the name might suggest, was originally a French Catholic university.
The university has made up all sorts of stories to justify it, but the truth is the name and mascot were just a stereotype of Irish people. The ironic thing is that, because it's a Catholic university and there are a lot of midwesterners with Irish heritage, instead of being offended by a team and mascot that made fun of them, Irish Catholics identified with the university and enrolled there in droves.
The thing is, it's really hard to be racist to Irish people and actually offend them because they're proud of everything they're made fun of. It's actually pretty admirable, because it demonstrates thick skin and nobody has to worry about offending the Irish. You can only offend them indirectly, like by insulting the Catholic church or their football team.
December 14th, 2020 at 1:57 PM ^
The reality is the university faced so many threats of violence from the Indiana KKK and other surrounding states that they made the racist and religiously bigoted jeers against them into a nickname they embraced.
There's a college in rural North Carolina called UNC Pembroke in the center of Lumbee tribal lands. It was started as an indian only normal school and slowly expanded into being a system school for UNC. Their mascot is the Braves. Every single person involved in the decision on what to name the school's mascot is Indian, and a few of them were at the famous Battle of Hayes Pond in the 50s when a bunch of local Indians ran the Klan back to South Carolina by attacking them during their cross burning. Nobody has a problem with the UNC-P Braves.
Again, a catholic school with tons and tons of people of Irish descent involved in making a decision to adopt a mascot is not in any way similar to a pro team that had an all-white ownership making the decision to make their mascot Indians because "it's a scary intimidating name, what with Indians being such savage warriors and whatnot."
December 14th, 2020 at 4:15 AM ^
Redskins choose their name with the help of their native American coach, but that doesn't matter does it. Or how about the 49 high-schools most of which are native American schools still proudly go by Redskins and use the logo.
December 14th, 2020 at 8:38 AM ^
google "louis sockalexis." it's actually the reason they got the name in the first place.
December 14th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^
Here's the thing though. Even if the name "Indians" was originally intended to honor Sockalexis, the intent evidently changed at some point (around the time this guy made an appearance) to give it a savage connotation. If they had actually tried to keep their imagery respectful all this time, that would be one thing, but they did not.
December 14th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^
oh, my - this was not, in any way whatsoever, intended to defend its use. at all. At. All. i think they should've changed the name a long long long long time ago.
December 14th, 2020 at 10:45 AM ^
They do call it a Paddy Wagon.
I enjoyed a brief ride in one years ago in Chicago. It was not due to peaceful protest.
December 14th, 2020 at 9:05 AM ^
I agree that "Fighting Irish" (and the mascot!) are a bit iffy, but that's more of a case of people attempting to reclaim a slur and use it for their own purposes.
If you had a British sports team, with few or no Irish players, calling itself the "Fighting Irish" and using that mascot, that would be more analogous to Cleveland Indians.
December 14th, 2020 at 11:50 AM ^
I mean the fact that Chief Wahoo ever existed with the Indians team name makes the Indians name have a derogatory connotation. You can't just get rid of Chief Wahoo then all of the sudden that racist connotation is gone
December 14th, 2020 at 12:46 PM ^
I thought that the original intent of calling your team Cleveland Indians was to reference a culture that was considered Strong, Courageous, Tough and Resilient--? That was the mentality and culture that the team chose to represent as reference to their style of competitive play. What is racist about being considered a strong and courageous class of people? The whole idea is to bring a certain attitude and reputation of strength that relates to competitive advantage in sports. Why be called a Wolverine if you don't represent the tough, mean attitude of that animal?
December 13th, 2020 at 10:33 PM ^
Everyone has the ability to be offended by literally everything. Pretty soon you are only going to have team names that are numbers or letters.
Get ready to cheer on your Michigan A142-03!!!! Gotta love those A142-03's... they play hard!
December 13th, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^
Elon Musk is waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of you based on his kid's name.
December 13th, 2020 at 11:52 PM ^
That sequence of numbers and letters is offensive to me!
December 14th, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^
Agreed - some people even have the ability to get offended by teams changing their names away from offensive stereotypes like "Redskins"!
December 14th, 2020 at 5:06 AM ^
What’s nuanced about dumbass and dumbshit?
December 14th, 2020 at 1:28 AM ^
Me too and I also don't like the name.
December 14th, 2020 at 12:44 PM ^
The hell with Notre Dame!
December 13th, 2020 at 10:32 PM ^
I graduated from Chippewa Valley High School in Mt. Clemens. Every school in the district, from elementary up, honored a Native American tribe with its school name. Same way FSU, Illinois, and others do (and EMU once did). If Cleveland honored a tribe, like the Blackhawks do, they would have an argument (IMHO) to keeping their name.
December 13th, 2020 at 8:35 PM ^
Cleveland Cunts has a nice ring to it.
December 13th, 2020 at 8:37 PM ^
THEEE Cleveland Cockholsters
December 13th, 2020 at 8:44 PM ^
Cleveland Codpieces.
December 13th, 2020 at 8:54 PM ^
Cleveland Steamers.
December 13th, 2020 at 9:50 PM ^
The Cleveland Coolers....
December 13th, 2020 at 10:08 PM ^
Cleveland Wild Things after their greatest ever player.