October 26th, 2018 at 3:00 PM ^
I claim no insider knowledge, but I wonder if Ray is part of the group of former players who felt like Hoke got a raw deal. I know he was "their" coach. It's a shame they cant embrace Harbaugh since hes a clear upgrade, but I think some of this goes back to Hoke.
October 26th, 2018 at 3:04 PM ^
October 26th, 2018 at 3:06 PM ^
Gotta see how far you've come to appreciate where you are.
October 26th, 2018 at 3:39 PM ^
I suppose you're also thankful for Dave Brandon.
October 26th, 2018 at 4:03 PM ^
The 21 people who upvoted this, have no perspective...
Harbaugh wanted to coach QBs for Lloyd, and Bo and Lloyd blocked it, and hired Loeffler instead, citing no experience. Harbaugh was miffed, and therein began the rift with Lloyd... he even tried to get the HC job at Michigan State... can you imagine ???
And supposedly he would have came here from USD... instead he went to Stanford... not sure who thats on... was it Martin or Brandon ? I think Martin......
So no, Rodriguez and Hoke had NO part in Harbaugh coaching here... he always wanted to be here.
And whoever here wants to chime in and that he didn't want to leave Stanford for us.... well, maybe so I wouldn't blame him.. ditching one top college team for another ala RR, is bad form...
October 26th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
We can upvote? I don't seem to have the ability.
October 26th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^
You don’t have enough points.
October 26th, 2018 at 5:57 PM ^
Thanks, it's fine. Mostly just a reader.
October 26th, 2018 at 6:45 PM ^
I thought the threshold was 100 points? My points have been stuck on 498 ever since the new board came to life. I can't vote, I don't get points.
October 26th, 2018 at 7:02 PM ^
points haven't updated in forever. I'm stuck at 97. Emailed the admin under the Contact Us feature and nothing. If the blog wasn't free I'm sure a majority of people wouldn't visit.
October 26th, 2018 at 7:26 PM ^
So how many points does it take to see the upvotes/downvotes??
October 26th, 2018 at 8:57 PM ^
I don't think the entire points model works, so its stuck with whatever you have. They're working on it, as evidenced by the two times they thought it was working. But not yet...
October 26th, 2018 at 9:37 PM ^
Hey Newbies:
First rule of MGoPoints is don’t talk about MGoPoints.
October 26th, 2018 at 4:22 PM ^
Bill Martin should get credit for organizing a lot of the building and the Michigan stadium renovation. Martin was AD from 2000-2010. The Regents approved the $259 million (2016 dollars) renovation in 2007 - work started on 2008 (remember the brouhaha about moving graduation in 2008?). Opened and rededicated on Sept. 4, 2010. Give him credit for that - we got to use the stadium while it was being renovated - a very tricky task.
The exact hiring nuances and details probably won't come out until long after Harbaugh retires or when Jim Hackett retires - but Harbaugh was not coming back to work under Martin or Brandon, especially the latter who regularly imposed himself on coaching meetings with Hoke and his team.
October 27th, 2018 at 12:41 AM ^
Martin hired Beilein, give him credit on that too.
October 26th, 2018 at 5:05 PM ^
And then carr went on to embarrass us by losing to Appalachian state. I hear the feel good movie is coming out soon. Michael Jordan is going to play armanti Edwards
S/
October 26th, 2018 at 5:05 PM ^
And then carr went on to embarrass us by losing to Appalachian state. I hear the feel good movie is coming out soon. Michael Jordan is going to play armanti Edwards
S/
October 26th, 2018 at 5:14 PM ^
The truth is you never know why things turn out the way the do. There is no point in perseverating why things happened the way they did as they cannot be changed, and there is no point predicting the future because it cannot be done and trying to removes you from being present in the here and now. All one can do is assume is things turned out just as intended, accept your present situation, make the best of how things are, and hope that it leads to a bright future.
October 26th, 2018 at 5:40 PM ^
Today on Mgoblog I learned a new word: perseverate.
October 27th, 2018 at 7:35 AM ^
There is always value in learning from past actions (both the successes and the mistakes) and taking those lessons forward. Dwelling on the past, at the expense of the present and future, is what needs to be avoided.
October 26th, 2018 at 11:09 PM ^
Anyone remember sackcarr.com?
October 27th, 2018 at 9:10 AM ^
That's how I found mgoblog!
October 27th, 2018 at 11:28 AM ^
Me too!
October 27th, 2018 at 11:23 AM ^
Maybe we needed richrod and hoke to creat enough separation from Lloyd that then we had the universal consensus to throw everything at signing Harbaugh? Also hoke being Lloyd's guy and then he didn't work out in the end might have also helped in terms of overcoming Carr's influence.
October 26th, 2018 at 4:30 PM ^
So far from reality. A huge portion of us wanted Harbaugh back when Hoke was hired.
October 27th, 2018 at 8:52 AM ^
Almost everyone wanted Harbaugh when Hoke was hired. The 49ers hired Harbaugh 5 days before Michigan hired Hoke. I think the time when there was less much consensus on Harbaugh was when Rich Rodriguez was hired in December of 2008.
At that moment in 2008, Harbaugh was in his first year at Stanford and had most famously said some negative things about Michigan student athletes. At the time, Harbaugh was not very popular with the Michigan faithful.
Who knows, maybe Marcus Ray will have a similar redemption in the eyes of MGoBlog fans some day. I doubt it, but who knows.
October 26th, 2018 at 7:01 PM ^
There's no absolute cause-and-effect relationship between those events. Any number of other coaches might have been hired to succeed Lloyd and then may have lasted those 7 seasons it took to find Harbaugh available.
October 26th, 2018 at 9:38 PM ^
Yeah, but if we had gotten a better coach maybe he's still here and we'd have more wins.
October 26th, 2018 at 3:17 PM ^
He didn't want Hoke to get the job. He really wanted Butch Jones to get the job. Story is that he was going to be on Butch's staff and he's been bitter ever since.
October 26th, 2018 at 3:22 PM ^
Oh god that would have been an unmitigated disaster.
October 26th, 2018 at 3:28 PM ^
Yeah, Hoke didn't necessarily have the best eye for coaching talent (*cough*Borges*cough*) and didn't even consider him as far as I know. Not to mention the Michigan directional schools. That says something about something.
October 26th, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^
Give Hoke some credit for bringing Mattison back in at least
October 26th, 2018 at 4:39 PM ^
If there is one thing Hoke knew well, it was DL play.
October 27th, 2018 at 8:49 AM ^
Agreed. If and when Mattison hangs it up, I would love to have Hoke back as DL coach.
October 26th, 2018 at 4:42 PM ^
Yeah, he definitely gets credit for Mattison.
October 26th, 2018 at 5:39 PM ^
Without Hoke UM wouldn’t have a stud defense
October 26th, 2018 at 5:41 PM ^
Would Hoke have had any success without bringing Mattison in? Highly unlikely.
October 26th, 2018 at 8:58 PM ^
He actually did coach at CMU for a period
October 26th, 2018 at 5:47 PM ^
"That would have been an unmitigated disaster."
I thought that's what we had.
October 26th, 2018 at 9:09 PM ^
Nah, it was mitigated - we eventually got Harbaugh.
October 26th, 2018 at 8:43 PM ^
As opposed to..? We just went through the worst 10 year stretch of our program.
October 26th, 2018 at 9:23 PM ^
I've seen people reference this "10 year period". Can you help me understand what 10 year stretch you are talking about? I get seven years (3 with RichRod and 4 with Hoke). Are you including 2015 and 2016 where we went 10-3? Or are you including 2006 and 2007 where we went 20-6?
I just don't agree with the narrative that lumps 2015 and 2016 in with the prior seven.
October 27th, 2018 at 7:34 AM ^
It all started in 2006. Sure Michigan had a great season, but it was mostly due to the seniors on the team, the next year App State happened.
The day Bo died is the day Program took a nosedive as Carr tried to impose his will over the program. He stood in way of a competent coaches search TWICE.
October 26th, 2018 at 9:58 PM ^
Jones was fired in the middle of an 0-6 conference season. Scary as it is to day, it could have been worse.
October 26th, 2018 at 4:14 PM ^
Hoke didn't get a raw deal. He got what he deserved. College football is a business, and the business was tanking under Hoke's watch. If he were still here, we'd be fighting for bowl eligibility, hoping we'd somehow beat the Marylands and Indianas of the world. And yes, we'd still be getting absolutely punk'd by MSU and OSU every single year. If that's the outlook that Marcus Ray wants for Michigan, then shame on Marcus Ray.
I believe Hoke gave it his absolute best shot, and he never cheated this university out of a single day of work. But if Michigan was ever going to be a respectable program again, much less a national contender, Hoke had to go.
October 26th, 2018 at 5:47 PM ^
^^^ Solid take. Concur 100%
October 26th, 2018 at 6:51 PM ^
excellent take. good post.
October 26th, 2018 at 8:18 PM ^
YES! Thank you. I never wanted to see Hoke fail, because I love Michigan. Unfortunately he did. The program didn't perform up to Michigan standards. I felt the same way with RichRod.
Read Bacon's book. Gives great insight into the RR - to Hoke - to JMFH hiring. No way would Harbaugh coach under Brandon. He didn't feel the love and was smart enough to know the timing wasn't right to coach at his dream job...his manifest destiny job.
Brandon's ego couldn't accept a Rock Star coach...and the funny thing is he thought he had Harbaugh right up to the time he took the 49ers gig!
Thank you Brandon for being so inept that you got us to where we are today. And thank you to Jim Hackett and others behind the scene who got us the best coach for Michigan.
Additionally - f off Marcus. We're sorry Hackett didn't hire Butch fucking Jones. Now go mix in a salad and do some cardio or something.
October 26th, 2018 at 8:47 PM ^
IIRC he took the kids bowling instead of practice once. He might not have been "cheating" anybody out of work, however he does, to me, come across as soft. Also, the Gibbons thing. I appreciate the turn around from a shit team to a mediocre team, fuck Iowa, but I never felt real comfortable with him at the helm.
October 26th, 2018 at 6:51 PM ^
LOL if they thought Hoke got a raw deal it doesn't say much for their capacity to think clearly. No matter their loyalty to a once great D-Line coach, dude sucked as a head coach and it doesn't take much of a football IQ to figure that shit out.