Joel Klatt believes football will happen WITH fans
The more conversations I have the more I believe that we will have a CFB season...decision makers are planning and adapting to the new reality...Most, if not all, plans involve fans in some capacity...fact remains, athletes can be cared for much better on campus than at home
— Joel Klatt (@joelklatt) May 6, 2020
Prediction for this thread...some will be angrier than my dog when the vacuum cleaner emerges from the storage room.
Our dog gives zero fucks unless it gets too close to her then she runs.
Our overweight poodle mix will bark and take the most pathetic nibbles at the thing. She's never been in an altercation in her life other than with a stuffed toy.
My 100-pound Great Pyrenees is ambivalent about the vacuum, annoyed that he has to move out of its way. However, the 4-pound chihuahua angrily barks his head off merely upon seeing the damn thing. Little dogs have a complex...
My boxer loves to attack the vacuum as well, although I don't think she's angry at it, she just want to chase anything that moves. She'll do the same thing to a broom, hose, Swiffer, she'll even try to bite the lawn mower wheels.
My Germans do the same thing with the lawn mower! The also bite at the rake, leaf blower, shovels, water coming out of the water hose, and will go up against the weed wacker once per use(they tend to remember fast about the weed wacker haha), It takes forever to get things done sometimes!
We have had three boxers and loved them all. This is quite normal what you describe. Lots of play in those guys with a huge personality that sometimes is perceived the wrong way by others. Lol.
I love Joel Klatt, but I can't see any mass gatherings being allowed around the country as long as there are still cases.
Maybe the occasional one off concert or event in places that have successfully gotten past the worst, but I can't imagine all states being at that level in August where they're going to green light 50k+ people sitting in a stadium together.
Even being 95% of the way to cured, this would be an easy way to relapse very quickly
Well this thing is never gonna go away for good so what then. Is this the new norm and we just accept it? Things have to open back up at some point.
The idea of lockdowns isn't to just put off the inevitable, but to buy productive time. Nobody thinks that it's feasible to just cancel everything forever, but the idea is to get to a point like S Korea, Taiwan, etc. where virus levels are low enough, and testing and tracing capacity high enough, that you can resume a lot of activities without causing a huge spike in deaths. This should be the goal, and the fact that it's not communicated as such is a huge failing on the part of a lot of leaders.
South Korea and Taiwan got to where they are because they were proactive and smothered this thing before it truly spread like wildfire, pretty much the opposite of what our president did. So virus levels will never get that low here, we're at least a year off from an effective vaccine, and who knows how long before we have a proven antiviral. So what do we do? This country can't survive being locked down that long.
The US has done a partial lockdown, in that people are still allowed to basically move freely, but some businesses were forced to close. While we may have "flattened the curve", we've pretty much commited ourselves to Covid-19 running through the population... it's too big to stop and trace now. Where it goes from here, I guess we'll see. But you're completely correct.. we can't afford to lock down much longer... C-19 is here to stay.
And China must pay for starting this Bullshit. They must pay.
So what’s your plan, then? Cancel our debt to them? Start a war?
It is absolutely NOT too big to test and trace and then allow a lot more to open up. Only we'd need a competent administration running the federal gov to make that happen.
A massive increase in testing, combined with contact tracing and mandatory 14 day quarantine for the infected and members of their household, would go a long way. Even at this stage. Identify as many carriers as possible and get them out of circulation.
That's what we should have been doing all along. When the first cases in MI were confirmed they released info about where those people had been recently, stores and such. They should have kept doing that.
It may not go away soon but the only defense we have for it is social distancing which is working. It doesn’t make much sense to start to get the upper hand then fill stadiums with people and go back to square one. Wait until we ha e a vaccine and maybe some antibiotic and then allow stadiums full of people again
Antibiotics don’t work on viruses.
That's the rule. There are some interesting exceptions to the rule, though. Examples include aminoglycosides (e.g. streptomycin, kanamycin, neomycin) work against viruses such as HPV (LINK), while azithromycin works against some strains of influenza (LINK). There are other examples but you would never use antibiotics without knowing exactly what the target virus is, which isn't the case if you strongly suspect a bacterial infection.
Double post. If it weren't the middle of the night I'd find something else to say.
How about that Korean Baseball Organization?
if your doghouse depressurizes during flight, are you able to get a mask for breathing or do you just have to tough it out?
Depends on ICU capacity.
The initial and re-opening spikes in cases should be abated by the time August and September roll around.
I don’t see concerts and sports venues just going back to normal.
It’s going to be socially distant and half capacity if that.
If 95% are cured ever - well, that would be herd immunity dramatically trumping any virus in world history. So, waiting until that happen means... no mass attendance ever. Thankfully, poorly educated MGoBloggers don’t make public health decisions!
I can't imagine people still drive to the games!!!!... When after all, 40000 deaths in US a day. .
Or contracting the flu.... 60000 a year. .
It’s more like 30K a year with the flu and we have a vaccine and we don’t social distance for it. We have what 75K dead now, that we know of, true numbers are much higher and we social distance. Comparing this to the flu is apples and oranges
We don’t know that they are much higher.
China certainly. But I imagine our toll is relatively accurate.
What is much higher is those infected. Almost certainly into the many millions.
If it really is 3% (give or take), with some areas like NY and NJ higher, and places like Iowa lower, then we are looking at 9,000,000 cases right now. I'd say that's certainly within the range of "many millions."
75k WITH covid not necessarily cause of and that's per dr.birk also
There were 36,000 traffic fatalities in the US in 2019.
So almost 100 per day. He said 40,000 a day. I mean, that’s pretty close...only off by two orders of magnitude and change.
Your numbers are absurdly wrong and misleading.
People who either LOVE football or make money off of it: 100% there will be football. You can count on that.
People with medical education: Not a chance in fucking hell.
Tough call but I know which side I'm betting on.
fact remains, athletes can be cared for much better on campus than at home
Is that a fact? References please.
access to:
— Joel Klatt (@joelklatt) May 6, 2020
- quality nutrition
- training
- psychiatric help
- sports medicine
- team doctors
- testing
- medicine
- structure
all of which aren't available to most of them where they currently are
Listen to what he has to say! Was he a kinesiology major?
I was...and I agree. The level of care, training, medical, nutrition, etc isn't even close in hometown communities. My son and his buddy who are both college athletes are simply making due. Thank goodness I have a degree, a master's in exercise physiology, and enough weight room to make it reasonable.
in some capacity. Which in some models I’ve seen means 17%-20% whoopdy doo
If there is any weight to this...and Facui is indeed using his position to create scare mongering to perpetuate a vaccine/billion dollar payoff...let's play football. Yeah I know the chicken littles will have every excuse under the sun...and our CDC experts will cast shadows and doubt...pretty interesting video that calls shit out.
thanks for those negs...I know it's really difficult for those with small minds to understand there MAY be a different perspective...It's tough when you've all shit your pants for the last 7 weeks...it's ok.
Small minds? I think it’s small-minded to post conspiracy theory videos without applying even a minimum amount of critical thinking or scrutiny to them.
Of course people have different perspectives. And some of them are demonstrably full of BS.
Read this and tell me if you still think that video is worth spreading: https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/05/06/judy-mikovits-pandemic/
You should know by now that any positive news will be met with withering fire. And anyone with positive news, thoughts, or ideas is obviously some type of shill, or worse, someone who really isn't enlightened. Oh, and despite the fact that the numbers have been more inaccurate than a John o'korn pass, only a mouth breather would question them.
XM, you think Blue by U posting zany conspiracy theories is worthy of praise? C'mon, you're better than that.
i was more for the over-arching point that any different thought is labeled as you have done here, 'zany conspiracy theories'. and it goes with my point that it wouldn't make any difference how reasonable the theory or parts thereof were, the emotional attachment of the board (in general, slightly changing now) to crap-can any possible ray of light is pretty stark. the different, positive fact/thought might be crazy, it might be meh, it might be spot on, but because it is different and doesn't fit the presuppositional political thought, it is instantly labeled bad, period, end of story and of course how could any idiot believe the 'sources', they have a vested interest.
but, as mentioned up-thread, the government, politicians and billionaire 'philanthropists' have pure and accurate information and motives and you (euphemistically 'you') are a fool or a conspiracy theorist to think anything different than that.
EDIT: and coming back to this and seeing the negs is case in point. nothing i wrote was controversial, but emotion drives the response. it is more than a lack of reason, it is a severe lack of wisdom. wisdom is humble, open to change, gentle in its approach even in disagreement. that is not what goes on about this topic.
That's because that's what it is -- a zany conspiracy theory. She's either nuts or attempting to profit off of the pandemic. After serving in his current position 35 years, Fauci is just going to cash in now by fooling the country? As a 79-year-old? If money was his motive, he could have retired for a lucrative private sector job 20 years ago. Trashing of a great public servant like Fauci is simply despicable, and I don't want to read such trash on here.
As for the tired cliché that no one wants to read good news on this blog, that's not showing much "wisdom." I and many others were delighted when we read the good news about that remdesivir, in a scientifically-valid study (not someone's anecdotal story about their aunt) has been linked with better outcomes. I was relieved just yesterday to see that most scientists disagree with the report that came out the day before suggesting a mutated, more contagious strain of the disease had taken over. Comments by Joel Klatt can be interesting for discussion purposes, but to me they don't reflect "good news." Nobody knows at this point what any sports league is going to do. So don't tell me I should jump out of my chair and cheer because Joel Klatt thinks there is going to be football. I'll save that for the real good news.
i wasn't sticking up for any particular post or theory, zany or otherwise. it is the method of how the problem is approached here, in general. if it doesn't fit a narrative, kind of like CFB risk, the attacks are marshaled by the truck load. if it fits a narrative, then little if any of that same critical thinking or extreme energy to prove/disprove the point is summoned.
it is not wise, plain and simple, to allow the presuppositions to dictate analysis when those presuppositions aren't based on any form of balanced emotion or logic. instant dismissal and labeling are utilized. and there are 2 months of crud-posting threads to back up that extreme emotion and overall lack of deliberative thought.
I actually find that there is a diversity of thought on just about any topic posted here, whether football-related or Covid-related. As human beings, we all have a tendency to be at least a little ticked off when we see opinions that sharply conflict with our own.
You've made multiple posts (probably dozens) over the past few weeks criticizing the board for not being able to acknowledge or handle "good news." To me that says more about your narrative than anything. That doesn't mean it's right, it doesn't mean it's wrong, but it's a little jarring to see you talk about presuppositions when you always seem to come out on one side of the issue. If you lean conservative, that's fine, but it's a little odd that you seem to cloak that behind the notion that posters should wholeheartedly celebrate whatever someone shares something that may or may not be good news, depending on your point of view and whether or not the source of the information is credible. If anything, your view would seem to lead more to groupthink than what actually happens on here, which generally is people taking their own individual approaches to the news.
Being anti science is not a worthwhile perspective. Climate change deniers have a different perspective than I do, doesn’t mean I should respect it.
Some politicians have a different perspective on how high the tax rates should be. That’s an acceptable perspective
rare to see such a combination of arrogance and naivete.
How so? You are one of my favorite posters on here, I’m genuinely curious
Please produce the science you're purporting to tout... for every doomsday article you produce, there is a counter article to refute it. It's a nasty virus, yes, and it kills people, yes. But locking down one of the largest economies in the world is equally as nasty.. especially for those who's lives are being ruined as collateral damage. Viruses and death are part of life, they have been since the dawn of humanity... let's not let the plight of the few grenade the lives of many.
Should we social distance and wear face masks, absolutely. Should we regularly wash hands and sanitize, absolutely. But to pretend that we must stop all life as we know it due to a novel virus is absurd. This isn't airborne HIV or Ebola, or the Black Plague. It's a particulary nasty cold, and it's here to stay... we might as well adjust and move on with life.