[Bryan Fuller]

Preview 2022: Edge Comment Count

Brian August 31st, 2022 at 2:00 PM

Previously: Podcast 14.0A, 14.0B, 14.0C. The Story. Quarterback. Running Back. Wide Receiver. Tight End. Offensive Tackle. Interior OL. Defensive Interior.

EDGE: RAT-A-TAT-TAT

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STRONG OLB Yr. TACKLE Yr. NOSE Yr. END Yr. WEAK OLB Yr.
Mike Morris Jr.* Mason Graham Fr. Mazi Smith Jr.* Kris Jenkins Jr.* Taylor Upshaw Sr.*
Julius Welschof Jr.* Rayshaun Benny Fr.* Cam Goode Jr.* George Rooks Fr.* Jaylen Harrell So.*
Braiden McGregor Fr.* Ike Iwunnah Fr.* Kenneth Grant Fr. Dom Guidice Fr.* Eyabi Anoma Sr.*

Michigan won the Big Ten last year for a lot of reasons. First and foremost amongst them was the greatest defensive end pairing in school history. Aidan Hutchinson went #2 overall and David Ojabo would have been a first round pick if he hadn't ruptured his Achilles in workouts. Hutchinson smashed Mo Hurst's all-time UFR scoring record by putting up a +39.5(!!!) against Ohio State, a take that PFF echoed. Hutchinson's 15 pressures in that game is a PFF-era record.

Neither of those guys is around anymore. Instead Michigan has one guy who played pretty well as rotational piece but projects as more of a DE/DT hybrid, two guys who have played a significant amount of unremarkable football, and then a pile of question marks in various shapes. But there's good news!

Jim Harbaugh has set a new mark for offseason balderdash. In the long history of people saying probably false things about their football teams, this stands alone atop a mountain of minor mendacity. So we've got that going for us.

Michigan has one guy who's probably tracking towards being picked in the NFL draft, a couple of upperclassmen who provide the weakside end a high floor (and a low ceiling) and then just piles and piles of lottery tickets.

ANCHOR/SOLB: WORM

RATING: 4

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HELLO YOU ARE NOW FLAT [Patrick Barron]

Redshirt junior MIKE MORRIS has the athletic background—his father was a four-year starter for FSU at guard and possessed a wicked flat-top—and on-campus trajectory to believe that he's going to step into the starting lineup without much difficulty. In many years the last word in the previous sentence would have been "dropoff." This year we're figuring out how big of one.

Realistically, it's going to be pretty big. Morris flashed talent in a fair number of reserve snaps a year ago but is pushing 290. If he was any sort of edge rusher at his weight the offseason hype for him would be titanic; as it is he projects as a pocket pusher who can attack half a man and make opposing QBs uncomfortable. He's not going to rip around the outside like a Scottish werewolf.

[After THE JUMP: a whole lot of scratch-off tickets]

His UFR grading from last year is modestly positive; if the grades look uninspiring keep in mind that these were not starter's snaps. Morris was averaging about 25 snaps a game over his last six; on a per-snap basis this is a pretty good apprenticeship season:

MIKE MORRIS

Game Plus Minus Tot Notes
WMU 5 1 4 It's real. Anchor type can be 3-4 DT or 4-2-5 DE
Washington 3.5 2 1.5 Made one mistake, also started.
NIU 2.5   2.5 Limited snaps, made the most of them.
Rutgers 6.5 5 1.5 Made some DT plays, learned about mesh points today.
Wisconsin 8 3 5 Think he's our #3 DT and #2 or #3 DE right now.
Nebraska 4 3 1 Minuses were a failed pass rush gamble and coverage.
Northwestern 2.5 1.5 1 Third-best rusher, needs to do better vs screens.
MSU 4 6 -2 Opposite of Jeter: got leverage and got tackled a lot.
Indiana 4 1 3 Don Brown anchor got to ply his trade.
Penn State 1.5 1.5 0 Equal time at DE/DT/Racecar DT. Still very tweener.
Maryland 2 0 2 Pass rush meh, but held the edge as well as the starters.
OSU 6 2 4 High-motor, high-impact.
Iowa 4 0 4 Passing downs jumping man.
Georgia 1 4 -3 Backed up Hutchinson, prefer him at DT.

The issue, at least as far as replacing Hutchinson goes, is all the references about being a DT or a tweener, etc. And in fact Morris is even less of a tweener than he was last year because dude went into the offseason screaming BEEFCAKE:

On adding about 15 pounds in the offseason:

It feels great. I came back, got Abigail O’Connor, our nutritionist, and I said I want to be bigger. I want to be bigger-bodied. I want to play all levels of our D-line so that’s what our game plan was. But I also wanted to maintain my speed, my athleticism. So that's the game plan the whole month of May. And we did that and I feel great. Passed my conditioning test with flying colors, running with the linebackers, quarterbacks and the tight ends, and feel great.

This makes sense given what he plays like. He's never going to be your teleporting edge guy. When he did rush straight up from an edge spot it was all bull rush all the time.  Most of his out-and-out rush snaps are from interior positions, as Morris was part of a third-down all-DE rush package. He was occasionally eye-opening in that role:

DT #90 on bottom hash

That was 15 pounds lighter, and that power was the main distinguishing feature of his play. His preferred method of getting things done was to run over whoever was tasked with dealing with him:

DT just inside of Hutchinson

Aidan Hutchinson wasn't the only Michigan DL to put an OSU OL on his ass last November:

Doubles were a bit of a problem last year but with the added weight they probably won't be as effective. And with Mazi Smith lining up next to him they should be… uh… rare. When not doubled he frequently defeated single blocking even when he wasn't able to pave a guy. He'd stand his guy up at the LOS, extend his arms to get the opponent away from his body, and then shed at the appropriate moment.

Run defense should not be an issue.

Morris combines that power with just enough agility to be a problem if he's given license to fire into a gap. Here Michigan baits the Northwestern center and Morris is fast and powerful enough to rip through the guard:

DT to top inside Ojabo

This is exactly Chris Wormley. Wormley was not much of an edge rusher but was nonetheless effective as a strongside DE. Opponents would put a tight end on him and that guy would get wiped every time. The above indicates that Mike Morris vs TE is also ending one way and one way only. He bumped inside from time to time and was able to attack half a guy like the above. This combination of size and just enough burst isn't a ticket to the first round, but it does make for a quietly effective college player.

The other positive that leapt out was Morris's intelligence. He had a key part in Michigan's fourth-down stuff of Nebraska, as when a WR tightened up to the line Morris anticipated what was coming:

The violent shed after is back to the power thing. He was also good at anticipating Indiana's various College Bullshit plays, and his twenty-yard zone drop against Georgia looked surprisingly polished.

While Morris didn't generate a ton of pressure himself there were several events that point towards a resurgence of one of Michigan's favorite things to do when they had Chris Wormley hanging around: stunt. Stunts are most effective when you have a guy who can sacrifice himself by bulldozing a couple of guys back into the pocket, and then another guy who's quick enough to get around the corner. Morris, like Wormley, can fill both halves of that equation:

DT to right of screen inside Hutchinson

Michigan didn't do this a ton because the guy sacrificing here is Aidan Hutchinson. If it's Mike Morris and Kris Jenkins can loop around that's a different equation entirely. Having guys who can both push the pocket and loop means your twists can be more diverse and harder to pick up, thus more effective in the long run.

This scramble is probably a missed assignment from Hinton because Morris puts himself in a perfect position as a stunt sacrifice guy. He attacks half a man and is probably being held—albeit in a way that you never see called. The upshot is that if Hinton loops around Nebraska's RG is completely boned:

DT #90 to right of C

A looper there then gives that OL a choice of which guy to let free. You can see the same twist against Penn State, this time with Upshaw pressing the gap and Morris looping around:

PSU plays it better, with the RG picking off Morris. Upshaw still almost barrels through for the sack but lacks the raw power to get there. This space believes that Morris—particularly the 290 pound version—completes the sack here if he's in Upshaw's spot. It is extremely hard for a tackle to get in a pass set and then be able to anchor against a guy like Morris. This again looks like Hinton not getting the play call, but just look where Morris ends up: in the heart of the pocket four yards deep.

standup DE to bottom

Expect this to be a staple of Michigan's rush this year. Junior Colson should be a major benefactor.

Add it all up and this spot would not be a worry if we weren't calculating what happens against Ohio State minus Hutchinson slamming down his Heisman candidacy marker. Morris should be an upper-echelon Big Ten DL—maybe just outside of All Big Ten level—who can compensate for his one major deficiency by crushing pockets closed. It's fine.

BACKUPS

We're going to address the rest of the position group in the next section. By virtue of size, JULIUS WELSCHOF, TAYLOR UPSHAW, and BRAIDEN MCGREGOR are most likely to spot Morris when needed.

OPEN-SIDE EDGE: SPIN THE WHEEL

RATING: 2.

I dunno and they dunno and you dunno either. The best thing you can say about this spot is that Michigan has a hell of a lot of options here. The worst thing you can say is that they have a hell of a lot of options here. Harbaugh did name Taylor Upshaw and Jaylen Harrell as DE starters along with Morris during his In The Trenches lineup dump, and I'm sure that will be the case, at least early. As the season goes along Michigan will hope for someone else to grab the reins.

Some of the folks in this section are true DEs or even hybrids who will back up Morris at the DE/DT anchor-ish spot, and some are DE/LB hybrid types. But the real distinction is between guys and wildcards. The two starter-type substances are in the first bin.

GUYS

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Upshaw: trying, not really getting there [Bryan Fuller]

Not TJ Guy. A guy. As opposed to a dude. That's the book on TAYLOR UPSHAW [recruiting profile], who got rotational snaps at DE a year ago and was definitely… there. Seth's one extended mention of him in UFR:

Upshaw isn’t on the same level as the other guys, at least not yet. He’s also, like Morris, a dude that Don Brown recruited to play anchor … When you judge Upshaw as a DT his pass rush jumps from a “D” to a “B” relative to the position. …He’s a guy, with a long way to go to replace either of the Dudes on his depth chart.

You want to be around the tackle at 8 yards to sack, and Upshaw was more of an around-at-nine kind of guy.

standup DE to bottom

We don't have a clip of an entirely successful edge rush from him. The sack we did clip was Upshaw gamely running down Chase Wolf after Ojabo tore off the edge. We did catch him almost getting around and causing the QB to step up into a world of Mazi Smith pain:

But that's about it. The above play is the context in which Upshaw fits best. He turned in some other bull rushes on the edge that are sort of useful when you've got regular DTs and extremely useful when Mo Hurst is ripping up through the interior on a regular basis. If Michigan rolls a natural 20 for either Mazi Smith or Kris Jenkins—or both!—then they can roll out the responsible upperclassman most of the time and it'll work just fine.

Upshaw is a plugger. He does not give up on plays—as you tend not to when you're getting 15 or so snaps a game—and works hard in pursuit and when initially stymied by his blocker. That's pretty much all the time. Seth's UFR chart notes are universally ominous glances towards next year like "no mistakes, no pass rush whatsoever" and "won't blow a run fit, won't frighten a quarterback." This is our concern unless context means it's no big deal.

Fall camp chatter, as summarized by Alex:

Taylor Upshaw's name is still in the battle, but it mostly gets brought up because of his experience and leadership, not because he's suddenly on track to stardom.

There are worse things than having a responsible run-stopper type as your floor. Upshaw should be fine. The situation here is not hyping up Johnny Sears at cornerback because there's nobody else. Upshaw gets his mentions and it's clear Michigan wants someone who's more of a playmaker at the spot but if Upshaw is getting standard down snaps it's not a disaster. I don't think there's much chance he's going to be in there on passing downs.

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edge eraser [Patrick Barron]

Also in this bin is hybrid LB/DE JAYLEN HARRELL [recruiting profile], who was brought in to be the next Josh Uche and isn't. Uche was a raw missile who didn't do anything other than pass rush; Harrell has a smoking jacket and a cool demeanor and does all the little things but not the big thing. Seth's clips for him include a lot of Mario Ojemudia/Jake Ryan stuff. He is exactly a 4-3 SAM in that if you had to call him something you'd say he's a defensive end but he's got a lot of versatility to his game. No other DE-shaped person who saw time last year is making this play:

Trying some edge stuff with a tight end also did not go well, generally.

standup DE second from left

This was part of a theme. When Harrell set an edge he set it with authority.

In this he is reminiscent of previous 4-3 under SAMs who were the "so you tried to edge MICHIGAN NICKEL" of their day. Aside from one or two read busts, Harrell was downright excellent at funneling guys back inside at points where other players could go whack them for minimal gain. Occasionally he'd get to do the honors himself and get clipped. Seth's UFR table notes are a fine summary: "great edge defender"; "good day in 5-2 edge duty"; "good edge-setter, bad pass rusher." (If you are wondering if a Jake-Ryan-to-ILB thing is possible, no. Michigan (very) occasionally lined him up as a true linebacker. It did not go well. It was like watching Craig Roh try to play there; as a linebacker he proved he was a defensive end.)

"But what about pass rush," everyone moans, and okay yeah there's not a ton of reason for optimism here. We had two clips of Harrell pass rush; one was a free run at a waggle. The other was this:

That's not terrible. He's all the way around at eight and that's usually profit if they haven't half-rolled away from you. But it was unique.

Harrell is a useful piece and is going to be a major part of the defense because he provides a valuable service. You can't rely on anyone else to execute the important thing he's excelled in so far. That role is the standard-down edge shutdown dude. This space doesn't believe a leap forward to Jake Ryan is in the offing, because if there was the barest hint of plus pass rush from the guy who is the smart, fundamentally sound guy who makes the defense work we would have heard about it over and over.

Also in this bin… well, it's TJ GUY [recruiting profile]. You can rest assured the entire MGoBlog staff is racing to be the first one to tweet "TJ Guy? More like TJ DUDE" the first time he does something on the field. As of yet this has not transpired. The clip we've got is Guy not giving up on a really long pass rush. We've had one solitary take about him from fall camp chatter and it was "looks the part and has had a few strong days of camp" from Josh Henschke. Guy is in the LB/DE mold of Harrell and may have a path to the field spotting him. Otherwise it's scout team time.

Also in this bin is redshirt freshman KECHAUN BENNETT [recruiting profile], who has not drawn mention since his enrollment. At 6'5" he's likely enbeefening to 260-270 before anyone can evaluate his suitability.

WILDCARD!

Your other genre of option here: insane athletes who could be anything but are currently behind the Guys.

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certainly looks the part [UT-Martin]

Alpaca-out-of-nowhere transfer EYABI ANOMA isn't the most likely wildcard but he's the wildest card so here he is. Anoma was a St. Frances kid who played on the same team as Blake Corum (and various other familiar names) who considered Michigan but eventually committed to Bama as the #4 recruit in the 2018 class. He washed out of Bama after just a year after being named to the SEC All-Freshman team despite just 90 snaps, then washed out of Houston a year later. Both of these dismissals were the proverbial Undisclosed Violation Of Team Rules, so this tweet from an Alabama reporter is the only explanation on offer internet-wide:

No word on if he cut anyone's brakes.

Then he went to UT-Martin, sat out, and became a rotational piece for an FCS playoff team. He racked up 6 sacks and 9.5 TFLs.

Despite this roundabout way to being an FCS contributor, PFF ranked him their #10 edge for the 2023 draft on little more than recruiting memories; they even note that his 2021 grade was 72—not exactly gangbusters, especially at the FCS level. (It's very difficult to disentangle football grading from your opponent.) When I watched this highlight reel of UT-Martin's second round playoff game against Montana State, Anoma was pretty anonymous—he was on the field for maybe a third of the snaps that made the reel and did not do much of note. His pass rush did not leap out.

It is distantly possible that Anoma is David Ojabo 2.0. The backgrounds here are eerily similar: insanely athletic, raw kid with little experience who's going to play weakside end. Those guys do occasionally blow up out of nowhere. Anoma's maturity issues may have robbed him of the development that got Ojabo to the NFL after year three, and maaaaaybe he's turned a new leaf and will bust out. This space thinks that's deeply unlikely since he was added to the roster little more than a week ago. He was not here for spring; he missed almost all of fall camp.

Despite all that, here's Harbaugh:

Eyabi Anoma has been practicing with the team for about 10 days, 12 days, something like that. He's been really good,” Harbaugh said. “He’s been a great teammate, and I look forward to seeing what he can do this coming season.

“He’ll be hopefully playing right away in the first game, and show some outstanding assets that he can bring to the team.”

I guess it doesn't take that long to lock in as a pass rush specialist. Let's roll the dice. 

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in an upset Welschof wasn't the pump it up guy [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Also in freakish athletes without a lot of production to their name yet: JULIUS WELSCHOF [recruiting profile]. Welschof was always a random German athlete and moguls skiier who may or may not Ojabo. Indications last year pointed to "not Ojabo," as he got scattered snaps as a defensive tackle and did not particularly stand out on them. Seth's grading was a smattering of pluses and minuses with notes like "not made for doubles duty," "still not a DT," and "agility is a plus."

And, yeah, on the clips we have of him most of them are Welschof giving ground to double teams. Even when he got a plus he gave ground to a double team before either spinning off of it or splitting it:

DT just inside of Ojabo as stand-up end to bottom

Seth on the above play:

He’s still more Anchor than DT, and not many teams are going to trot out three interior OL under 300 pounds like Northwestern was willing to, and this is not how you *want* your sixth DT to take on a double-team. But it’s interesting. Welschof is an athlete on a completely different level with the rest of the tackles. He can pull this off, and become a major nuisance if left unblocked in pursuit, or if read on a midline option.

That's a hard way to make a living as a DT because if you don't spin off or get skinny you're just a guy on the wrong side of the LOS and then you're the gap.

Given the situation at DE last year it made total sense to try him on the interior, and it makes yet further sense to abandon that project now that the DTs look pretty set and all available men are storming the weakside end Bastille. We have seen some hints that Welschof is the kind of edge athlete who's… you know, an athlete on the edge. Sort of thing. This preview was going to quietly acknowledge that, note that he was a low-floor, high ceiling lottery ticket, and move on. Then Bruce Feldman came in brandishing his Freaks article like it was the 95 Theses. Lo, behold:

“Juice,” who has leaned down 22 pounds to 268, broad-jumps 10-5 consistently and vertical-jumped 34 1/2 inches this offseason. His 40 was 4.66. The most amazing numbers posted by former Wolverine Freak Aidan Hutchinson were his shuttle times. Hutchinson did 6.73 in the 3-cone drill in Indy (sixth fastest among all players there). Hutchinson clocked a 6.54 last offseason in Ann Arbor. Herbert said Welschof ran a 6.76 this offseason. He’s also done a 4.19 in the 20-yard shuttle — only Hutchinson’s 4.15 was faster among D-linemen and linebackers in Indy. Hutchinson was the first athlete Herbert ever witnessed do a “Turkish Get-Up” with 135 pounds and no collars (to lock on the plates) in a quarter-century working in college weight rooms. This offseason, Welschof did it with a 160-pound dumbbell “like it was effortless.”

All weight loss and gain is good and Welschof is now in excellent edge range, and if he's got numbers in the Hutchinson zone I'm saying there's a chance. If a Scottish guy who got stuck overseas for a summer can do that in one season, Welschof can too. Arguing against that: age. Welschof's already been on campus for four years, and he's drawn little mention in either spring or fall. Henschke is one of the few to mention him and that's when he said that any Ojabo-like potential has "yet to materialize" just over a week ago. If forced to guess, it's not happening. Welschof should be a useful rotation piece who can spot Morris, though. He's the most likely sub there.

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how soon is now [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

A few young guys round out the wildcard options. Redshirt sophomore BRAIDEN MCGREGOR [recruiting profile] was tracking towards Aidan Hutchinson 2.0 before suffering a horrendous injury early in his senior year of high school. He recovered enough to chip in as a redshirt freshman but did not pop off the screen. We have a few clips from noncompetitive portions of games; one is a bull rush through a tackle and a running back chip:

standup DE to bottom

Another is this unblocked edge explosion after some Nebraska tomfoolery:

standup DE to bottom

That latter feels exactly like it was: enticing but a step adrift.

There's been some encouraging chatter. Steve Lorenz recently asserted that he likes McGregor's chances of "being a legitimate contributor"; both Henschke and Chris Balas had some encouraging rumbles, although Henschke has an assertion that McGregor is the "least explosive" weakside option. If true that would seem to confirm that McGregor's injury has sapped him of many of the things people were excited about when he was a touted recruit. He would still have a path to the field because he's big enough to pursue the Wormley/Morris route.

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if you run he will chase you [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Michigan's final lottery ticket here is true freshman DERRICK MOORE [recruiting profile], a top-50 composite recruit who decommitted from Oklahoma and flipped to Michigan in the aftermath of their breakthrough against Ohio State. Moore enrolled early and started generating hype immediately, in part because he does not look like a freshman. Like, at all. This is in part because he's already 19. And that was before the phonebooks declared he was up 29 pounds from his listed weight on 247 and is now sitting at 279.

Moore has that explosion off the edge that everyone covets. His recruiting profile is littered with references to it:

Agile and athletic. … Chases plays down … Possesses closing speed. Is able to corral ball carriers in space. At his best when using speed. … Speed off edge is extremely disruptive. Has speed for backside pursuit."

That's just one guy! The ellipses are not jamming scouting reports together. That is one guy who just cannot get over Derrick Moore's ability to go from one place to another place. Here's another guy: ""speed, speed, and speed. He's blazing off the edge with great bend."

There is also a consensus that Moore needs something else in his repertoire, because right now he just tries to zoom around the corner and that's it. This had not changed by the time of the depth chart dump. Harbaugh:

Derrick Moore has been fantastic. When that motor becomes like Chase Winovich and Aidan Hutchinson and then he learns a counter move or two, I think he's gonna be close to unblockable. As soon as that happens — may take some may take some time — he's ready to play and he'll be in there.

Moore has been generating other hype from reporters around the program (Lorenz says don't be surprised if he "not only plays, but is a contributor this year") and his teammates. Mike Morris:

On which younger player has stood out to him in his unit:

I love D Moore. D Moore is doing his thing. I’m looking forward to seeing him get reps in the game.

On freshman Derrick Moore:

Freshmen coming in, our scheme is kind of very complex to people who haven’t been in it for a year. I'm only saying it's easier because I've been in it for a year. It was complex when I was comprehending it at first, but now it's so much easier now that I know everything. But a guy like Derrick, want to make sure he learns everything. So put something small on his plate and then expand it, expand it, expand it until he knows the ins and outs like someone like myself.

Moore crushed the competition at his All-Star game, winning the MVP award like Rashan Gary before him. He's NFL-sized already, has a reputation for relentlessness, and is one spin move away from being Chase Winovich, but big. Despite having the least experience he may be the best bet for Michigan to pry a playmaker out of this spot. At least on passing downs. Standard downs will probably have to wait until next year.

Comments

TrueBlue2003

August 31st, 2022 at 2:36 PM ^

I had removed it from my memory that Rutgers was in the red zone down just a TD in the fourth quarter at Michigan Stadium last year until watching that first Mike Morris clip.  Literally seems unbelievable now considering what Michigan did to OSU on the same field.

But thanks for the reminder, Brian.

stephenrjking

August 31st, 2022 at 2:44 PM ^

Everything good right up until we get to the pass rusher, which is ????

Actually, the problem is that it's not that ???, we have a good idea of what our rotation guys can do, and it's not pressure the passer. No reason to expect those guys to miraculously transform into NFL Edge players overnight.

But!

The several "roll the dice" guys do at least provide some hope. Physical talents in Anoma and Moore that haven't been around for long? If they are dedicated and indeed gifted, with time they could potentially develop. 

...And with our schedule, they *have* time to potentially develop. When is the first time we play a really good team with a passing offense that could destroy us if we don't get pressure? I guess maaaaybe Maryland if things break right. That's week four. Then you're looking at October. That's time for a guy to develop. Josh Uche was a guy who started coming on about then in 2018 (albeit with a lot of camp hype behind him). 

Not that I think it's likely, just that it's possible, and I feel sunny this afternoon. 

I'm more bullish on Morris now that I've read the scouting report. We just need a pass rusher on the other side. 

dragonchild

August 31st, 2022 at 2:57 PM ^

We are not replacing Hutchinson and Ojabo, full stop.

Our secondary should be improved. . . we lost Hill, and Gray had a nice renaissance to end his career, but Gray was ever athletically limited.  I doubt moving Sainristil was a panic move -- the WR room was just too crowded, he was fine when he was out there -- and we got Johnson coming up as well.  I'm not going to bet on Green going the way of Jourdan Lewis and escaping the gypsy curse of always being in good position but never making the play, but we probably won't need it.

So our "pass rush" this season should look more like, the QB will have more time but there won't be anywhere to throw the ball, and then the beefcake line squeezes the pocket closed.  This is indeed remeniscient of the Hoke-era defenses, Cass Tech DBs and "boring" safeties holding their own while relatively slow but skrong, responsible DEs give the QB nowhere to scramble when the 4th read isn't open.

dragonchild

August 31st, 2022 at 3:52 PM ^

I'm not sold on the DEs being a weakness, even from reading this.  They won't be Uche or Ojabo, no, but the Hoke D-lines were anything but weak.  It will look different.  Instead of athletic freaks blasting around the offensive tackles and catching the QB, the DTs will push the pocket and the DEs will make sure there's nowhere to go.  Blitzes will be more effective because there are multiple guys on the line that you may not be able to single-block.

I mean, DTs like Mike Martin and Mo Hurst haunted QBs in their sleep when playing next to guys like Craig Roh, Chris Wormley, and Rashan Gary.  We can legitimately go back to that model, and having a de facto third DT in at SDE is very strong against the run.

stephenrjking

August 31st, 2022 at 4:02 PM ^

This is an optimistic scenario that's also reasonable. 

Though I will say that you're talking more about an early Harbaugh DL than a Hoke DL. Produced DEs like Mario Ojemudia and Taco Charlton. Hoke had Frank Clark. 

That 2016 seems like a good comp, except we're missing near-elite quality from Taco Charlton. On the other hand, we expected immediate elite production from Rashan Gary that didn't quite happen that year. But the middle was the heart of Michigan's DL for Harbaugh's first three years and it was outstanding.

UgLi Eric

August 31st, 2022 at 4:06 PM ^

@The Oracle, that is probably true. One of the edges could be our biggest weakness and finding an Ojabo-clone from those two would set our defense apart. But let's try to quantify what a weakness means here. A Nose or Tackle as a weakness means a gap to run through. An edge who can't apply pressure on the passer is just pushing things further down the DL, linebackers, and secondary blitzes to cover it up (or to literally just cover it until it's a coverage sack or scramble).

Taking our entire defense from last year and removing the three best players, while removing some of the other liabilities and giving the under performing, but exceptionally talented youth more time to develop under generational talent and some of the most relatable and talented coaching in the country, isn't a recipe for disaster. If our edges were a 9/10 last year, and our tackles were 7/10, and those numbers invert this year or are an 8 and an 8, smart coaching can still use that to win big games. If our entire defense becomes more consistent and we have more depth, then at the very least the season won't be as dramatic (IE. close games to NU, Rutgers, and PSU might become easier wins and maybe MSU...well we all know that was a win, so let's just include it). 

It won't feel the same as last season. No season will ever feel that special apart from a national championship. We can still win most games and be in a better position each subsequent year. To the game this Saturday and... beat CSU!

truferblue22

August 31st, 2022 at 3:31 PM ^

God, that first tweet from Alejandro reminds me that Fred Jackson is DEFINITELY back with this program. 

 

Almost as good or as good? Come on -- that was a historically good duo last year. 

VintageRandy

August 31st, 2022 at 3:38 PM ^

I don’t think that the lack of pass rush should be a big deal against anyone except OSU, so here’s to hoping we find a weak side end with some meaningful pass rush in the next 2.5 months 

VintageRandy

August 31st, 2022 at 4:01 PM ^

True - “not a big deal” might understating it. But will it lose us the game? Against Maryland, MSU, and PSU I think not, but it could against Ohio State.
 

Maryland doesn’t have a balanced offense, and if we don’t have to respect the run it allows us to spy Taulia (Mike Barrett eat your heart out). I’m skeptical of MSU beyond Jayden Reed, and would expect them to be a run first team again this year. PSU gives me the most concern, but their horrible OL play makes me feel a bit better.

TrueBlue2003

August 31st, 2022 at 3:54 PM ^

Ehhh, I don't love Thorne having time to sit back and throw it to Reed.  Clifford could do some things with time (if he hasn't permanently damaged from never having time).

And Iowa's defense is maybe good enough that they can keep it close enough for the offense to do something if we're not pressuring the QB.

Taulia...well, nevermind.  Michigan is going to score on every possession against Maryland.

I do think with a DL that should be extremely difficult to run against, Michigan should be able to get diabolical with Colson on blitzes, even on standard downs.  My guess is we're going to see a lot of creativity.

VintageRandy

August 31st, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^

Still intrigued by McGregor but I tend to agree that he seems to be a half step behind the kind of burst we need as a strong side rusher. If you look at the spring game he lacked a speed to power rush that all fans praying for Braiden McHutchinson were hoping for. Hoping that he can ably replace Morris next year. 

njvictor

August 31st, 2022 at 3:57 PM ^

I don't remember who said it on the podcast (maybe Alex?), but I like the idea that Upshaw is the Mendoza line for the DEs. If someone is starting above Upshaw, it's probably a decent sign that they can be contributor, but if Upshaw is playing it's a pretty bad sign that he's the best of the bunch.

I also think that Jaylen Harrell will play an important role on this defense. Given we are expected to get get push from interior DL, having someone who can set the edge is pretty important for this defense

MgofanNC

August 31st, 2022 at 4:35 PM ^

Not sure this is supposed to happen but I'm feeling more optimistic about our edges than before I read this. Guys who can set an edge and likely not getting home on 3rd and obviously passing... so we blitz from somewhere and mask the coverage. Given our schedule this should be more than enough for most of the opponents. 

Joby

August 31st, 2022 at 7:12 PM ^

The clip of TJ Guy above shows him chasing down Tagovailoa on 2nd and 19. However, on the play just before that, Guy sacked Taulia for a 9-yard loss. It’s at the end of a 59-18 blowout, and he more or less gets a free run after the RT chooses the wrong player to block, but those are two very loud snaps. 

 

Despite the free run, he did motor to get there, and had no celebration afterward (who’d blame him for celebrating his first career sack, but that wasn’t his mindset).

 

Another heuristic of this site is that pass rushers tend to flash their abilities early. Those snaps felt like a flash to me.
 

Relevant portion for the sack is at the 12:19 mark. https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=d_8BZ1eIkSE&feature=emb_logo

Bo Harbaugh

August 31st, 2022 at 9:23 PM ^

No, O-JA-BO and Hutch are not walking through that door.  
 

The interior of the d-line should be a strength though.  The goal should be to look a lot like the extremely disruptive and productive line of 2016, where we had a bunch of depth and contributors.  Add in some exotic blitz packages and we can be really good up front.

It sounds very much like this line will go as Mazi and Jenkins go.  Let’s do it! Lean on the big boys inside and find our pass rush over the course of the year through development and scheme.

 

BigVig

August 31st, 2022 at 11:15 PM ^

How is Anchor ranked as a 4?  Are we doing the DL on a scale to 10?

"Morris should be an upper-echelon Big Ten DL—maybe just outside of All Big Ten level—who can compensate for his one major deficiency by crushing pockets closed. It's fine."

Based on what?  This feels like a classic MGoMistake where they just decide something is the way it is and then accept that as fact.  He might be fine but we have nothing to base that on. 

In the last 6 games of last season, he compiled a total of 1 solo tackle, assisted on 4 tackles, and had 1 QB hurry.

"This is exactly Chris Wormley. Wormley was not much of an edge rusher but was nonetheless effective as a strongside DE."

Wut!?

As a freshman, Wormley had 4.5 TFL & 2.5 Sacks while as a Junior, Morris had 1 TFL and half a sack.  You don't need to chart this to know that Wormley at least offered some playmaking and Morris has shown no sign of it yet.