not a sight we wanted to see [Marc-Grégor Campredon]

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Ace March 18th, 2021 at 10:23 AM

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Replacing the Irreplaceable


Livers' defense may prove as hard to replace as his offense [Campredon]

Michigan isn't going to make a couple minor tweaks to the rotation and come up with a way to replicate what the injured Isaiah Livers brought to this team. That doesn't mean the Wolverines are doomed for an early exit—far from it—but it does cut the team's margin for error. Today, I'm going to look at what Michigan loses with Livers on the bench. Tomorrow, I'll take a deeper dive into the ways they can best replace his production.

I went into the Hoop Lens on/off data and did my best to excise the bench mob from the numbers, and I'm only drawing from the Big Ten games and Toledo for opponent strength purposes. While the Wolverines, rather surprisingly, have been of near-equal quality on offense when Livers is on the bench by points per possession, the defense takes enough of a hit to move this from a dominant team to merely a very good one:

  Off. Poss. Off. PPP Def. Poss. Def. PPP EM
Livers On 1048 1.10 1043 0.93 +0.17
Livers Off (Non-Garbage) 277 1.11 280 1.00 +0.11

As usual, there's some noise to filter out. The lineups without Livers have shot worse on two-pointers and better on three-pointers; the former is more sustainable while the latter is concerning—it's hard to believe this is a better outside shooting team without its best shooter. This team isn't as powerful on offense without Livers available; they could still be very good, though, even if the ceiling isn't quite as high.

In more encouraging news, that three-point percentage gap also applies to the team's defense in much more extreme fashion, while two-point defense, turnovers, and rebounding stay level. After looking at who's played when Livers isn't on the floor, there isn't a personnel-specific reason to believe the team should be significantly worse at defending the arc without him—certainly not nearly ten percentage points worse. Again, it's hard to imagine the team being better at defense without Livers available; again, the dropoff may not be severe.

This is probably more of a two- or three-seed caliber team without Livers available. While that's disappointing in a certain context given the late-season visions of competing with Gonzaga for the top overall seed, it far from eliminates Michigan as a title contender, especially since they still get the advantage of a one-seed's path to the Final Four.

[Hit THE JUMP for the parts of Livers' game that will be hard to replace.]

What Michigan Loses: Offense


eye-popping shooting numbers [Campredon]

Let's start with some key numbers for Livers and the three players who'll fill most of his minutes: Chaundee Brown, Brandon Johns, and (to a lesser extent) Terrance Williams.

  %Shots 2PM-2PA 3PM-3PA 3P/100 FTM-FTA TS% FTRate ARate TO%
Livers 21.4 52-107
(48.6%)
50-116
(43.1%)
9.5 47-54
(87.0%)
60.5 24.2 11.5 11.3
Brown 21.4 37-68
(54.4%)
32-81
(39.5%)
10.0 14-23
(60.9%)
57.5 15.4 5.6 13.6
Johns 17.9 29-51
(56.9%)
6-14
(42.9%)
3.3 22-26
(84.6%)
63.4 40.0 7.8 25.2
Williams 17.3 10-21
(47.6%)
1-12
(8.3%)
5.3 9-17
(52.9%)
39.0 51.5 3.7 16.9

Let's dig in.

SHOOTING/SHOT CREATION. Livers is a true three-level scorer who can work off the ball or create his own shot. The shot creation aspect is what separates him from his replacements, who are more reliant on teammates to assist their buckets inside the arc. From Hoop-Math:

  Shots at Rim Made at Rim FG% at Rim Assisted at Rim %Ast'd at Rim Shots 2pt J Made 2pt J FG% 2pt J Ast'd 2Pt J %Ast'd 2Pt J
Livers 45 27 60.0 15 55.6 62 25 40.3 1 4.0
Brown 28 21 75.0 9 42.9 40 16 40.0 10 62.5
Johns 31 21 67.7 14 66.7 20 8 40.0 5 62.5
Williams 9 4 44.4 1 25.0 12 6 50.0 1 16.7

The unassisted makes at the rim come in different ways for Livers compared to Brown and Johns. Livers is more of a force in transition and off the dribble while Brown and Johns both get more putbacks. Still, Brown is solid at attacking closeouts and Johns is effective at posting up.

The difference comes in the midrange and beyond. While Livers is mostly a catch-and-shoot guy on three-pointers, he gets those up at a high volume with great accuracy; Brown has matched him this year in both regards but Johns is much less perimeter oriented, taking about a third as many threes. Johns has played enough minutes at center to explain some lack of three-point volume but scaling that rate up could still hurt his effectiveness—he's at 43% on a tiny 14-shot sample.

Livers' combination of efficiency and lack of help required on two-pointers away from the rim is unmatched on the team; his replacements need more assists, while Franz Wagner, Mike Smith, and (especially) Eli Brooks lag at least a few percentage points behind his accuracy. Michigan will no longer be able to dump the ball to Livers at the end of the clock and expect to get a decent look out of a midrange post-up. Farewell, Dirk fade:

Johns has enough of a low-post game to perhaps replicate some of that late-clock production. It's more likely the weight of those difficult possessions lands heavier on Wagner, Smith, and Brooks.

SPACING. Livers' high-volume marksmanship and quick release mean opposing defenses cannot leave him alone on the perimeter. They give Brown similar treatment. The same cannot be said for Johns and Williams.

The Ohio State game was Michigan's second-worst performance all season inside the arc and a lot of that can be blamed on a lack of ideal spacing. The Buckeyes were willing to sag off of Johns on the perimeter. Johns also spends much more time in the dunker spot than Livers, which helps offensive rebounding but also constricts the court for the defense:

Dickinson has to contend with up to three defenders. Johns' man (circled in green) is planted under the hoop and ready to take away any move to the baseline, which is where Dickinson wants to go to get to his left hand for the finish. Brooks' man (in purple) is in position to double Dickinson if he drives to his right hand or cover Johns if the double comes from there, yet he's still in position to contest a shot by Brooks if Dickinson makes the skip pass—which is indeed what happened and Brooks missed a contested three.

Johns has made enough of his threes that he could potentially earn the respect of the defense on the perimeter and open up some room when he's not hunting for boards. It's harder to see that happening for Williams, who's 1/12 from deep on mostly wide open looks this season. OSU all but ignored him and focused on blowing up M's initial action:

For reasons I cannot comprehend, Wagner's defender ducked under Dickinson's screen even though Dickinson had no chance of getting a clean look at the hoop with EJ Liddell in drop coverage and an extra defender halfway into the paint. Wagner missed a pull-up three and was fortunate to get that clean a look; his man should know he can aggressively run Wagner off the line with help waiting.


we don't have photos of the other three doing this [Campredon]

PASSING/BALL MOVEMENT. While Livers hasn't been asking to be one of the team's primary shot creators, he's quietly improved at both moving the ball to open shooters on the perimeter and creating good looks on the occasional set play. Livers averages 2.5 assists per 40 minutes; Johns is at 1.7, Brown 1.2, and Williams 0.9.

Michigan has a clear pick-and-roll ballhandler top two: Smith first, Wagner second. After those two, Livers has been right there with Eli Brooks as the other secondary ballscreen options. While he hasn't scored well on P&R opportunities, Livers has become a dangerous passer on those plays, generating 1.35 PPP on his 26 passes that led to the end of a possession—a 95th-percentile figure that boosts his overall P&R production, scoring included, into the 71st percentile.

Brown has run seven P&R possessions all season and generated only two points. It's not his game. Johns has only been on the other end of the ballhandler-screener setup. That puts a lot of pressure on Smith, who's been significantly more productive out of ballscreen situations (88th percentile when combining shots/turnovers and passes) than either Wagner (56th) or Brooks (47th). 

Livers has also been a good entry passer, showing the ability to lead Dickinson away from his defender, though both Johns and Williams have flashed some ability there. (More on that tomorrow.) He's also a terrific cutter, which may be a more difficult piece of Michigan's overall ball movement to replace—cutting with precise timing requires good instincts and comfort in the offense and it sure helps to be that respected as an outside shooter.

What Michigan Loses: Defense


part of three top-ten defenses in four seasons [Campredon]

THIS IS MUCH HARDER TO QUANTIFY. Even at the NBA level, which has much more data—including remarkably advanced player tracking—at their disposal, there are big divides in how players are regarded as individual defenders, and that's even more the case for college players. The all-in-one numbers at my disposal have Livers as somewhere between the second- and fourth-best defender among the top eight rotation players on the team:

Metric/Stat Number Rank on Team
D-PORPAGATU (Torvik) 4.1 2
Def. Box Plus-Minus (Torvik) 2.9 3
Def. Bayesian Performance Rating (EvanMiya) 32.3 4
Def. Rating (BRef) 97.7 3
Def. Win Shares (BRef) 1.2 3
Synergy 51st %ile 4

While that doesn't seem like a huge range, there are significant differences in how these stats see Livers. Bart Torvik's D-PORPAGATU stat, which is derived from adjusted defensive rating, has Livers as the #40 defender in the country and fifth among Big Ten players (min. 40% of team's minutes). Synergy's play-by-play grading, meanwhile, has him barely above D-I average as an on-ball defender.

All of them, however, rank Livers ahead of Brown and Johns. (Williams doesn't have a big enough sample to trust at all.) Brown is a particularly odd case; despite his reputation, he ranks between above-average and middling in most of these stats, and Synergy is down on his on-ball defense (33rd percentile overall) despite his ability to shut down isolations (2 points allowed on 16 possessions). On/off numbers show zero dropoff with Brown in the game on defense, though he's benefiting from some apparent three-point luck. He doesn't rack up many steals. While he's allowed the occasional blow-by, though, it's hard to watch the defense when he's on the court and not believe he's a good defender.

By the same token, I suspect Livers functions within the team's scheme more as the higher end of his numbers would indicate. He's big, switchable, experienced, has now been a member of three top-ten defenses in four years, and is part of the reason Michigan communicates so well on that end of the floor. We may see a few more blown switches and more trouble changing schemes mid-game without one of the team's more reliable defenders.

Brown and Johns both have their own merits as defenders that should mitigate a lot of what Michigan loses without Livers. The primary concern may not be the one-for-one replacement but how the team has to adjust its lineups. No Livers means Johns has to play more at the four and Brown has to play more at the three next to the starting guards. While there are certain matchups where Johns at center or Brown at the two would be stronger defensively than the alternative, there'll be less flexibility to put those lineups on the floor for significant stretches.

Comments

Gulogulo37

March 18th, 2021 at 10:54 AM ^

Matt Demorest is my new favorite mgoblog contributor. He's putting out a lot of content recently.

I should make clear I'm not complaining at all. It's just funny seeing his photo and name with the new posts. It does make it look like he's the post author at first glance.

BuckeyeChuck

March 18th, 2021 at 3:27 PM ^

When I look at the picture of Matt Demorest, I see him looking at me like he saying "hey, man...how ya been? Haven't seen you in a while!"

...and then I see him again on the very next post, and he's looking at me like "hey, man...how ya been? Haven't seen you in a while!" ...and I'm like, dude, we just talked. Had this conversation 30 seconds earlier. Don't you remember?!?

AC1997

March 18th, 2021 at 11:00 AM ^

This might not be a popular take on this particular message board, but I think Chaundee's defense is over-rated and those stats don't surprise me.  What I like about his defense is the effort and energy he brings.  I like when he picks up a guy full court and makes him work to get into the half-court.  I also think that in a pure iso situation where the other team clears out and asks their man to beat him 1-on-1 he's good....though that's a rare occurence.

What I want to see Brown improve on, especially without Livers, is his TEAM defense.  He tends to get caught ball-watching when he's off-ball and he also needs to be more strategic when he aggressively over-plays a ball handler.  There are some guys we want to take long 3s or long 2s and we don't need to risk a blow-by because Brown is being so aggressive.  

Livers' strength as a defender is that he's incredible "average" at everything and knows his role in the overall strategy of the defense.  I think the coaches are going to need to help Brown know when to go aggressive and when to back off a bit - especially since we need his energy more on offense now too.  

Watching From Afar

March 18th, 2021 at 11:12 AM ^

There is an almost universal defensive approach that puts guys up tight on the perimeter. Brown and Johns both do it and I don't understand why because they get blown by and called for fouls. Even if they only get called for fouls once every 5 minutes of them doing it, I don't think the returns are worth it. It's fun to watch Brown pester guys and it occasionally turns into a TO, but with the even more limited depth it would be wise to avoid those situations and unnecessary fouls. Brooks kind of sort of does it occasionally, but that's more shading to 1 side and giving a guy a lane to drive, even if it's with his off hand. His limited height then causes problems once he does get driven into the lane. Perfect body positioning, but just 3 inches too short to really impact shooters once they get that deep into the paint.

I agree on the forcing shots front as well. Johns is 6'8". Make people shoot over that. Don't get up in a guy's shorts and risk a drive when that same guy will go 1/5 shooting over you.

abertain

March 18th, 2021 at 11:15 AM ^

Agree on Brown not being a plus defender. I think people watched him slap the floor and pick up full court and assumed he was good. He tends to ball watch and gets screen a lot. Watch Eli get skinny a lot and remain with his guy while Brown is getting screened. Livers was a great defender because of his flexibility. I think Johns is probably closer to Livers if he was able to bring a bit more effort. He sometimes floats out there like when that slow dude from MSU beat him off the dribble and then for the rebound. However, they are still a very good team defense, and I think they are 2 or 3 seed good now. 

Gulogulo37

March 18th, 2021 at 11:56 AM ^

I think Brown is a plus defender. But I think Livers' defense goes unmentioned a lot despite being very good. Also, some people think Brown is a total lockdown defender, but he's definitely not THAT good. Brown may not look like the greatest defender because he plays on the best defensive team in the toughest conference in the nation. Some people made good points about how meh players get on the all-defense team all the time because they stand out on a bad team, and I feel like it's the opposite with Brown. He's quite good, but they're all good, and so he doesn't improve the defense when he comes on.

Blue In NC

March 18th, 2021 at 12:43 PM ^

Agree.  I think Brown is clearly a plus defender, and possibly the team's best although Franz, Brooks and Hunter also have valid claims as well.  Juwan trusts Brown by putting him on the tougher matchups quite frequently.  Also, I think part of the reason that Brown plays aggressively is because, as a sixth man, that's his role and his aggression creates energy on the team and often leads to turnovers.  It will be interesting to see if he plays a bit more conservatively as his minutes increase.

mi93

March 18th, 2021 at 11:17 AM ^

What's happening here?  You trying to give me hope?  Beating back the BPONE demons?

Dammit, it's working.

Raise another banner!

Gulogulo37

March 18th, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^

Actually, it worries me with how much we lose without Livers. Having said that, it seems the post tomorrow will be more cause for optimism. I don't think Johns needs to replace Livers' production, but we can't have a huge drop-off. Johns' high FT rate is interesting. With him and Dickinson they could really rebound and defend well and get opposing big men in foul trouble. Johns' 3PT% needs to be legit though. It's a small sample size this year, but IIRC, he's basically almost 40% for his career at Michigan. I'm optimistic Juwan can make things work well.

njvictor

March 18th, 2021 at 12:10 PM ^

In order to have a chance of making it past the Sweet 16, I think at least 2 of 3 things need to happen:

1) Chaundee plays with any semblance of consistency

2) Johns continues to play at least like he has the last 2 games

3) Franz kicks into a next gear and increases his usage

outsidethebox

March 18th, 2021 at 1:28 PM ^

This Michigan team is driven by the high basketball IQ tandem of Brooks and Livers. They have struggled with the loss of either of these two. There is one hell of a coaching staff instructing this crew. It is going to be very interesting to see how/if they figure out ways to compensate for all those little things that do not show up on the stat sheet-that Livers brings to the table. They will have had a week to learn to mitigate the loss of Isaiah. There is still an excellent 7 man rotation that remains in place and Williams holds some promise in offering additional breath-catching breaks. 

Thank goodness the physically and mentally punishing grind of the B1G is over.

MGoBlue96

March 18th, 2021 at 2:06 PM ^

Looking at the potential matchups this team can still reach the final four, definitely the benefit of being a 1 seed. Would still give UM the highest probability to reach the FF out of the region, though with Livers that number was definitely much higher.

 

jmblue

March 18th, 2021 at 2:06 PM ^

While the Wolverines, rather surprisingly, have been of near-equal quality on offense when Livers is on the bench by points per possession

I'm curious how much this is impacted by Livers' last four games, when he was likely playing hurt and shot poorly.  He scored just 7, 9, 9 and 0 points in those games while shooting 2-7, 3-7, 3-9 and 0-5 from the floor.

oldhackman

March 18th, 2021 at 2:30 PM ^

While losing Livers sucks, we have quite a bit going for us.  We have several days to plan for his absence.  While there are no patsies in the tourney, we have manageable matchups for at least a couple of games to get up to speed with the new lineup.  We have the best player over the past couple of years from an ACC team (granted a weaker one) ready to plug into the starting lineup.

Now we need Johns to step up and play like he has shown flashes that he is capable of.  And I really think that Williams is just one great outing away from things clicking for him.  He seems to press a little and the game still seems a little fast for him.  I think this is mental and a boost of confidence could do the trick.  Same goes for Jackson, who could also see a few more minutes.

Lastly, we should remember that Nunez was a regular and even started a game or two.  He hasn't seen a whiff of PT outside of garbage minutes this year.  That has to be because Smith, Brooks, Jackson, Brown, et al just have him beat from a talent perspective.  I agree we are probably not a legitimate 1 seed without Livers; but I feel anything less than an elite eight appearance would be at least a little disappointing.

Jonesy

March 18th, 2021 at 3:01 PM ^

Johns plugs in nicely for livers, he has the capability of being just as good a shooter, better rebounder, and better shot blocker. However he is extremely inconsistent so is highly unlikely to be any of that for any extended period of time. Also the drop off after him is huge. I think we really need to only go 7 deep with Chaundee and Austin coming off the bench only. Chaundee can play 2-4 and eli can play the 1 so it's doable.