Wow... Kenneth walker fumble call is left as-is yet last week Michigan's fumble recovery TD reversed?

Submitted by uofmfan_13 on November 6th, 2021 at 4:01 PM

In the MSU vs Perdue game Walker fumbles, with the call on field upheld after replay. This call / scenario is nearly the exact same scenario as Michigan's sack fumble recovery the prior week. Yet that call was reversed despite no conclusive evidence to overturn. And Walker's fumble stays as called. 

Pretty unbelievable. 

Cam

November 6th, 2021 at 4:02 PM ^

After watching the OSU game today, I find it increasingly difficult to explain these errors as incompetence.

It probably is incompetence, but the burden of proof is starting to shift.

rice4114

November 6th, 2021 at 4:06 PM ^

That WR getting tackled while the ball is in the air late in the game on a key Nebraska pass is exactly what you would expect to see if someone had money on a game. If our WR got called for holding and that is uncalled, seriously guys i dont know what is going on. 

MarcusBrooks

November 6th, 2021 at 4:04 PM ^

Yeah

Sucks just as much as when it happened 

and still we could have pulled the game out.

we have to play above the insanity at some point and yet we seem never to be able to

uofmfan_13

November 6th, 2021 at 4:08 PM ^

The insanity swings games.  This is about fair competition not sour grapes. This is the exact same scenario and one stands on the field (the right result) and the other is reversed. Huge calls. Result swinging calls! Where is the $##%!@ consistency?

MarcusBrooks

November 6th, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^

When there is no accountability there is no consistency.

they don’t REQUIRE them to get better so they don’t.

just like adding a tip automatically to your bill in some places, there is no incentive to work harder/be better. 
no reward for it 

no negatives of you Don’t improve 

gbdub

November 6th, 2021 at 4:13 PM ^

Refs spotted the Spartans somewhere between 7 and 16 points depending on how you feel about completing the catch and the worst rule in football (still a rule though...).

If they just straight up started the game with 16 points on the scoreboard for the opponent, would it be reasonable to expect the team to "overcome the insanity"?

Cam

November 6th, 2021 at 4:19 PM ^

Exactly. Harbaugh is routinely asked to overcome 7-14 points of poor officiating in critical games, and everyone gets pissed when he can’t do it. If Michigan wins 2015 MSU, 2016 OSU, 2019 PSU, and 2021 MSU, how different is the narrative?

MarcusBrooks

November 6th, 2021 at 5:30 PM ^

But they won NONE of those games.

they don’t make the winning plays they turn it over at the crucial moment WVERY FREAKING TIME

or get a bad call that costs them the game.

2016 OSU, qb makes 3 HUGE turnovers that gave them 14 and md took 7 off the board for us 

the 3rd and 9 play before the 4th and 1 we had them trapped 15 yards behind the LOS and didn’t make a play to get the receiver down and he turned a loss into 4th and 1.

it’s consistent, we aren’t good enough in the big moments, sparty was

we aren’t,

reality sucks 

1VaBlue1

November 6th, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^

At what point do you acknowledge that the team played to expectations, or better, and yet still couldn't overcome a ref show?  With all things being the same in each of those games, except fair officiating, do you still think Michigan loses those games?  I don't, and neither do most others.

It's not just the calls that were made, it's all the non-calls that should have been made.  There are plenty of videos of the 2016 OSU game that you can watch and see them.  You should watch those.  Nobody is saying that Michigan didn't leave plays and points on the field, or that they played perfectly.  But at some point, you must acknowledge that they played as well as could be reasonably expected given the circumstances.  Give them fair officiating last week (TD stands, overturned 4th down MSU catch not overturned, Anthony hold on the 10, 4th down DPI), and that's probably a 17 point win over a top 10 team on the road.

crg

November 6th, 2021 at 4:12 PM ^

Big Ten officiating is bad - this is known.

They could also be showing favoritism to advance the conference agenda... but the incomptence is more likely.

stephenrjking

November 6th, 2021 at 4:41 PM ^

It’s remarkable how many people will just believe stuff that involves a massive conspiracy that would merit serious criminal charges if uncovered.

Besides, it’s in the B1G’s financial interest for Michigan to be good. The Michigan-OSU game was a lynchpin for Fox’s big money contract and should be again when it’s time to negotiate a new deal; Michigan making that a great game is exactly what they want.

If the officials were being directed to produce a winner for the conference, they wouldn’t have made the dumb calls they did last Saturday.

Might be time for some people to get outside for a bit. The refs are terrible, but a massive league wide conspiracy to direct that terribleness in a certain way is… highly improbable. 

San Diego Mick

November 6th, 2021 at 4:20 PM ^

IDGAF what anyone says, this conference is so corrupt with its officiating, last weeks game was barely less corrupt than the 2016 osu game, just disgusting when one team has to overcome so much BS.

But our coaching is also to blame for last week,  the playcalling in the 2nd half left way too much to be desired. 

Wolverine Incognito

November 6th, 2021 at 4:26 PM ^

I think that there is an unconfirmed rumor that the B1G apologized to UM for their mistake. If they actually did, wouldn't this call just be them actually getting the call right and living up to their apology?

Wolverine Incognito

November 6th, 2021 at 6:54 PM ^

You are alluding to something that has been on my mind for a while...

I have had it. I'm so sick of being content with the corruption. All of it. At the end of the season, I am going to make some serious evaluations about my college football fandom.

But I am kicking around the idea of a boycott. It may not work or be effective, but SOMETHING needs to be done for accountability. I will probably ask y'all for input at the end of the season.

It was time to stop being content when the B1G allowed Urban Meyer to get away with covering up domestic violence.

Perkis-Size Me

November 6th, 2021 at 4:37 PM ^

And yet Michigan still could’ve won handily and, by it’s own faults, didn’t. 

Sucks, and I’m sure a few here will neg me, but eventually Michigan needs to start blaming itself for the situation it’s in, too. Refs aren’t responsible for Michigan blowing a 16 point lead and failing to stop one fucking guy

JDeanAuthor

November 6th, 2021 at 4:43 PM ^

I repeat: it is not either/or.

That we had bad coaching and bad plays does not change the fact that bad officiating happened, and it altered the outcome of the game.

Put it this way: if we had played a flawless game, and it still came down to bad officiating, would you still say that what calls are on the field do not matter?

UMForLife

November 6th, 2021 at 5:02 PM ^

Could Michigan have made better plays? Yes. But they shouldn't have to.

Refs will find a way to screw them even if they made better plays. Don't call a hold, call an incompletion on a completion or other way around. When the team are playing pretty even, it is not fair to ask to ask one team to be perfect. 

UM Indy

November 6th, 2021 at 4:37 PM ^

Tough to beat the other team and the refs in every big game. Not sure if it’s a conscious conspiracy but Harbaugh is not liked and that has to factor into it in the heat of the moment. It’s just too much of a trend to dismiss.