93Grad

November 3rd, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^

This was always the problem with the B1G's revised plan.  They waited so long to start back up again they have no room to reschedule any games.   

It may not matter ultimately if things keep getting worse and everything gets shut down, but the B1G's half way in, half way out approach looks bad at the moment.  

trueblueintexas

November 3rd, 2020 at 12:08 PM ^

I once worked with a VP at my company who would say "there are no bad decisions, only bad outcomes". The point was, in a professional setting, no one is going to purposely make a decision to hurt the company, but sometimes you make a decision based on the info at hand and the outcome isn't what you expected. I now use this with my young sons. When I see them do something that doesn't end well, I don't tell them they made a bad decision, I say "well that didn't turn out how you expected". 

End rant on society. Get off my lawn.

bronxblue

November 3rd, 2020 at 12:25 PM ^

Yes and no.  The Big 10 made a decision early on that was "we doubt the virus will be under control to a safe degree so we're going to punt the season until 2021" and that seemed pretty reasonable based on the available data.  Then there was gnashing of teeth, protests outside of office buildings, and much-publicized calls from world leaders demanding the sport return, and they threw together this half-ass plan under the guise of "we have increased rapid testing (which might not be all that accurate and we only really care about the money anyway)" and, shockingly, the surge we all knew was a distinct possibility, if not inevitable, happened and games are cancelled without any way to compensate.  And so the original decision was probably the correct one but money got in the way and now we're left with this current shit show.  

So no, I don't think the Big 10 looked at the schools and thought "let's screw this up", but purposeful ignorance or naivety about the probable outcome for the season shouldn't be swept aside as a bad break.

Mgoczar

November 3rd, 2020 at 12:43 PM ^

Precisely. It was dubious to start the season in the first place. What was the thinking? Well good possibility we would have coronavirus outbreaks if we play...eh...lets to it anyways and we'll deal with it. So they are dealing with it by cancelling game. 

Season. What season? 

More like glorified scrimmages at this point. Which, great! Start solidifying your offensive plans/QB/WRs and please go recruit harder at CB and DT. 

trueblueintexas

November 3rd, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^

Who knows the real conversations, but I’ll propose an alternative which could just as likely have happened:

Early on the Big 10 decides to cancel until 2021 expecting that while disappointed, fans would understand the reasoning given the situation. Keep in mind the core people making this decision are academic minded people and may not have the best insight on what regular old Joe sports fan will think. Decision made.

Fans, parents of players, and coaches are not reasonable or understanding and begin to publicly protest. Then the President makes a very public and political shit show about the Big 10. Bad outcome.

Now understanding the scope of their decision and seeing other Power Five conferences playing. Keeping in mind, at the time there were very few cancellations of power 5 games. Most of the cancellations were teams like Jacksonville State, East Carolina, Florida International, etc. The Big 10 says, okay, we’ll play. But now there is a very real deadline they never thought they were going to have to meet which is consideration for the CFB playoff. So a schedule gets made with no gaps. Keep in mind, they learned their lesson the first time. Telling fans you can now have a season but not meet requirements to compete in the CFP playoff would receive the same response as the original decision to cancel the season. Decision made.

Wisconsin happens. Other power 5 programs are now happening. Trevor Lawrence now happens. Bad outcome.

I’m not saying I agree with this, it may not be the decisions I would have made. But it is very possible this is what happened.

bronxblue

November 3rd, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^

Sure, that's an alternative, but I think it ignores some key pieces of information we did know.  as you noted, programs did have games cancelled or delayed due to outbreaks.  And teams had outbreaks during the offseason, with both MSU and Rutgers in the conference having to "pause" because of multiple confirmed cases.  A couple ACC and Big 12 games had already been cancelled or delayed due to outbreaks, and most of the presidents had already announced remote learning (Michigan was actually one of the outliers on that front by bringing students back) for the fall due to the reasonable belief that the cases would tick up in the fall.  They clearly believed there were dangers with having large numbers of people congregating on campuses.

Sure, uninformed fans yelled and screamed; that's not new.  People lost their freaking mind when the idea of moving the UM-OSU game to a different place on the schedule was suggested.  Trying t placate football fans isn't worth your time because we're collectively a bunch of idiots who don't care about the well-being of anything if it interrupts our entertainment.  

So no, I'm not inclined to give the conference a ton of benefit in hindsight because they ignored a lot of evidence because (a) they didn't want to be yelled at anymore, and (b) wanted to make money.  There may be other factors involved in their decision but it's pretty clear those two were high up there.

trueblueintexas

November 3rd, 2020 at 2:25 PM ^

My intent was never to suggest they are not responsible for the decisions they have made. I agree with you 100% they are responsible, but sometimes we give people more credit than they are worth.

My hypothesis is the Big 10 leaders tried to do what they thought was the right thing. Received far more blowback than they expected and felt pressured to change their decision. Once that happened, they chose to make decisions with fixed limitations out of their control. 

I don't have an argument for the choice to change their decision. I don't know what data was available and what conversations took place. 

I will point out, here's the slate of games cancelled or postponed by weekend with the Big 10 decision date included in the timeline:

Week 1 (Sept 3 - 5)

  • Jacksonville St at Florida Int.
  • Rice at Houston

Week 2 (Sept 10 - 12)

  • SMU at TCU
  • Florida Int at UCF
  • Marshall at East Carolina
  • La Tech at Baylor

Sept 16: Big 10 announces decision to play games

Week 3 (Sept 18 - 19)

  • Charlotte at UNC
  • BYU at Army
  • Houston at Baylor
  • Florida Atl at Georgia Southern
  • Central Arkansas at Arkansas State

Based on that, I would say the Big10 had very little to go on regarding the ability for Power 5 programs to control the virus within conference only play. I would expect the Big 10 felt they would handle the virus better than the above list of schools so it probably didn't influence much. Call it arrogant, fine, but look at the title of Seth's post about Michigan's offense vs. MSU. 

DavidP814

November 3rd, 2020 at 12:26 PM ^

Yes, but there are a lot of people who saw the possible need to build in extra weeks for rescheduling purposes.  The Big Ten leadership, probably more accurately a majority of the presidents of Big Ten schools, decided against building in these safety nets.

Also, I don't understand how Wisconsin is not outright forfeiting these games.  The team meets the Big Ten's minimum player requirement to play, which was established as part of the plan for the 8-game season.  If teams can just say "No, we don't feel like playing because some of our good players are out," what was the point of the minimums in the first place?  I get that picking on Nebraska is sport these days for the national and midwest sports writers, but they had every right to expect the home game.  And if being down to your 4th string QB is enough to cancel without penalty, why has Maryland had to play all their games the past few years?  Makes no sense. 

bronxblue

November 3rd, 2020 at 1:02 PM ^

Yeah, the part where Wisconsin clearly did a bad job mitigating a spread and are now getting a reprieve because they would otherwise have had to play without their full complement of players is annoying.  There should be real punishment for not following the rules, not the ability to keep a sterling 1-0 record despite not playing 1/4 of the season due to your own actions.

Number 7

November 3rd, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^

It goes away with a vaccine.  That was promised by election day.  It is now election day...

 

BUT!

 

Election day is not yet over.  It was never defined as "before" -- just "by", which could be interpreted as "by the end of ." There are still several hours left in election day, particularly including its extension to Alaska and Hawaii.  By this time tomorrow, we shall have a vaccine and all will be good.

(/s, in case that's actually necessary)

Mgoczar

November 3rd, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^

I think many more games are going to be cancelled (captain obvious, I know). Serious doubts about Wisconsin vs Michigan and I am not sure we even get a playoff since there is a good possibility Coronavirus surges in absence of a vaccine. 

Football related: Michigan playing so many freshmen might be blessing in disguise seeing how this year is going. 

LewisBullox

November 3rd, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^

Hanging on by a thread. If they cancel our game they are done. 12 cases among staff seems to me like they really weren't trying very hard.

LewisBullox

November 3rd, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^

Hanging on by a thread. If they cancel our game they are done. 12 cases among staff seems to me like they really weren't trying very hard.