Wisconsin Snowflakes - The Offense
September 21st, 2019 at 10:48 PM ^
He needs to stop drinking or sucking his brothers dick
September 21st, 2019 at 4:32 PM ^
It really makes me wonder what the hell this staff did to ruin him. He's an extremely talented player, and we saw that last year.
Ripping on Shea is stupid, just like ripping on Gardner was stupid. The problem is much bigger than the quarterback. It starts with the coaching these players are getting, and at this point, there's little evidence out there that would convince me it's anything but complete fucking garbage.
We've become the Lions: where careers go to die.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:47 PM ^
How is he extremely talented? Because of his recruiting stars? You can’t be watching him play.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:20 PM ^
Did you not watch him at all last year? He was very solid for us, took care of the ball extremely well, made throws that few QBs are going to make... now all of that's gone and we have terminal fumblitis, poor reads, and wildly inconsistent accuracy. Part of it may have to do with the fact that our highly-touted OL can't block anything. It's a shitshow all around.
You can't possibly tell me that the coaches are doing a great job and it's just the QB ruining everything.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:21 PM ^
He is accurate and can run better than the average QB, but he doesn't read the defense quickly enough and he tends to home in on one side of the field, completely missing open guys. He's fine, but I wouldn't say he's even in the top 20% in P5.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:34 PM ^
Yeah, and coupled with our receiving corps, that should be good enough to get a first half score against Wisconsin (or most anyone, really).
Shitting on the QB, or really any player, masks the real problems that we have in the coaching staff. Downy must take the wrinkles out of your khakis and put them in your head, because what I saw was a "gameplan" that nobody was going to succeed with.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:39 PM ^
I’ve been a big fan of Shea & while the coaches definitely own some of the blame, he’s played terrible this year. He’s been careless with the ball, missed open receivers on routine throws, failed to check down when it’s wide open & rarely steps up into the pocket when its available. He also (granted its an outside perspective) does not seem to be much of a leader.
I’ve had high hopes but at this point I’m fully on the Dylan train. With that said, Dylan needs to learn how to protect himself. The hits he’s taken the past 2 years have far too often been much worse than they needed to be due to his competitive nature.
September 22nd, 2019 at 3:13 AM ^
Agreed with everything you've said.
Shea was stout for us last year, and took care of the ball. So, what changed?
New "offensive philosophy" installment. Clearly the transtion, and what Shea is asked to do this year is not working.
That's on the coaches. He was one of the most efficient QBs in the league, and now he's quite literally one of the worst.
Shea is not the problem. The new "System" clearly is not only NOT what it was touted to be, it's been pure poison.
Coaches, coaches, coaches.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:11 PM ^
He had the same issues at Mississippi.
September 21st, 2019 at 9:03 PM ^
Actually, he wasn't all that good at Ole Miss. Big reason why he transferred to Michigan is he wouldn't start at Ole Miss had he stayed because Jordan Ta'amu outplayed him when he got hurt and was going to be the starter last season. The problems that Shea had which is ability to process play quickly and make correct reads still exists from Ole Miss day. He is who he is. A QB who can run and be accurate on the move. As a pocket passer, he looked lost.
September 21st, 2019 at 10:59 PM ^
my response wasn't to you, it was to southofheaven
September 21st, 2019 at 10:56 PM ^
I'm going to say this as nice as possible. You have no clue when discussing quarterbacks. Shea is average AT BEST for an avg team, not here.. last year the nfl scouts said EXACTLY WHAT WE SAW TODAY. He doesn't have good pocket presence, he goes off script way too much, can run but isn't really dual threat, he doesn't read defensive coverages well, questionable arm strength and goes one read and then scramble. that is not a fans opinion, that is straight from NFL scouts who are the best in the business when they were looking at Shea last year before he declared he was coming back. He has no business being discussed as Potential NFL career.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:41 PM ^
McCaffrey needs to be the QB and we need to learn how to run the ball again. That has been our identity and now, like the commentators say, we don’t have one. Btw, Gattis sucks.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:45 PM ^
Agreed. Looks like we had 36 yards rushing. We need a QB running game if this is going to work.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^
Both #1 and #2 RB's are banged up, and Turner can't pass block. McCaffrey is (so far) a poor passer but a good runner; unfortunately he gets his head torn off every time he runs.
This was a game we really needed to be able to throw the ball, mixed in with QB keepers. For whatever reason, Shea doesn't seem capable/willing to run, and he's not accurate when under duress.
We don't seem to have many quick short slants, screens or flares in our playbook, or maybe Shea is poor at executing them. Many teams are successful with lots of short passes, paired with just enough running and deep balls to keep teams honest. That's definitely not us.
Unfortunately we're dinged up at RB, a position without much depth this year.
Also unfortunately, our line was terrible today.
Just a terrible performance all-around by the offense.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^
I don't know how to fix it other than suggest a lot of arm punts... it worked for Trace McSorley.
Seriously though, Patterson can't fit balls in tight windows over the middle.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:24 AM ^
Patterson is super jittery and throws hard to catch balls to covered receivers Instead of guys who are more open. We have 3 all-world receivers and Shea is locked on Bell. Not sure how with all of our stud WRs none of them are open.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^
Shockingly bad. Inept. Embarrassing.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^
I want some butts!
September 21st, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
September 21st, 2019 at 3:45 PM ^
Shea can’t he’s not good
September 21st, 2019 at 3:44 PM ^
Nussmeier 2.0
September 21st, 2019 at 3:44 PM ^
Signing Patterson was a huge mistake .. That move set us back 2 years
Peters > Dylan > Patterson
September 21st, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
Peters isn't elite. But he really does seem to be equal to or better than Patterson.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:53 PM ^
Peters may not be elite yet.. However his upside was far greater than Patterson..He has the arm strength, the awareness he just needed the time .. But Harbaugh chose Shea and this is where we are now
September 21st, 2019 at 5:22 PM ^
Pushing Speight out was the turning point.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:49 PM ^
Watch that FSU Orange Bowl game sometimes. Speight was amazing. He may be a statue but if there's an open receiver he can sure as hell find him and get the ball there accurately and on time. Wish he'd stayed.
September 21st, 2019 at 10:33 PM ^
Honestly, yeah. But neither one could have run this system.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:44 PM ^
I cant begin to explain how upset I am at Harbaugh for wasting the potential of Nico, DPJ, and Black
This IS the most talented WR group Michigan has ever had and were wasting it. The only way these guys get the ball is by corralling some horrible pass by Shea.
You see the slow ducks Shea is making these guys fight for? Fucking embarrassing. This dude has no speed on his throws, no spiral, and no accuracy.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
Braylon Edwards, Jason Avant, Steve Breaston...or David Terrell, Marquise Walker, Tai Streets...among many other would like some words...
September 21st, 2019 at 3:59 PM ^
I was thinking Anthony Carter, Anthony Carter and Anthony Carter would like a word.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^
The only thing your comment does is make me sad that DPJ, Nico, Black and the young guys aren't catching passes from Brady, Navarre, or Henne
Your 2nd group doesn't make ANY sense because they weren't near the same class. Streets was good when the other 2 were freshman barely making an impact
The thing that makes DPJ, Nico, and Black special is that theyre in the same class. They should all be peaking at the same time (right now). Its fucking sad to watch this elite group of college receivers having to struggle to even get a ball thrown their way and when it happens its usually a horribly thrown ball they have to change direction and fight to get to
September 21st, 2019 at 10:39 PM ^
I remember that going into 2006, Lloyd Carr had never had a receiver catch for less than 1000 yards or something crazy like that. And in 2006, Steve Breaston and Mario Manningham both put up solid numbers. Jason Avant might have been the last receiver to get over 1000 in 2005. Honestly, even though the game passed Carr by, he knew how to throw it up to a dude. Jason Avant would be the third or fourth receiver on a team with Nico, Donovan, and Tarik. Bums me out. Michigan is no fun.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:52 AM ^
We at Michigan tend to glorify the past too much but this post is spot on. The program right now is wasting so much talent. It bruises my soul.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:45 PM ^
Is this post for Wisconsin's offense? We didn't have one.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:46 PM ^
Shea said they wanted to make a statement. He never said it would be a positive statement.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:46 PM ^
Finally threw it up to our big receivers! And it worked! Mind blown!
Maybe that should be our offensive identity.
That is the only snowflake. The rest was freezing rain.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
Michigan: wasting talented players since 2007.
Offense is going through the motions and does not look like they know what to do.
ZC one carry?
September 21st, 2019 at 3:53 PM ^
Since 1997
September 21st, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
Since 1997
September 21st, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
THROW THE FUCKING BALL TO COLLINS, BLACK, AND DPJ
September 21st, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
what Offense? we have NO OFFENSE....this has been a unmitigated DISASTER...its not that we loist I can handle that its HOW we Lost its how BAD we are its lack of discipline stupid penalties no running game cant make a fuking 3rd down conversion..I mean serioulsy we are AWFUL
September 21st, 2019 at 10:42 PM ^
We've been bad on third down for...maybe 15 years. Pretty much since Navarre, I've watched us walk up to the line on 3rd down and gone, "no way."
September 21st, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
Sham. This offense is Rich Rod +2 ... those candy ass play cards and spread softness is not Michigan football.
Can we fire Gattis and hire Jedd Fisch ? Please
Harbaugh needs to take over and go back to his offense. This was hot garbage.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:07 PM ^
I actually kind of agree with this. Historically, Michigan has been much closer to Wisconsin in identity than what we are now. Part of me wishes we'd just scrub the spread system with zone blocking and go back into the pro style, power gap blocking scheme. Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:32 PM ^
Time to hire Les Miles and return to Michigan glory. Our QBs are not modern spread guys. They are elite game managers in a ball control offense. To salvage the season Harbaugh and Warriner need to take over as the OCs. Gattis is not a fit.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:38 PM ^
I don’t think the problem is with the offensive philosophy. We tried to manball and we were pretty successful. We’d hold onto the ball, play good-great defense and we’d end 10-3.
Once we were down a few scores it’d be difficult to score enough to win. In my opinion it’s not that we wanted to change the offense it’s a leadership issue. I don’t know if it’s an issue with getting buy-in from the team or what. With the talent we have we should be able to throw the ball all around the field, score plenty of points and have a defense that can make enough stops to win a game.
LSU seems to have been able to master this in a year. This team and coach seems to fold during adversity. Jim seemed to have such a passion and killer instinct his first 2 years here that his team seemed to carry with them. That killer instinct and attitude is nowhere to be found.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:47 PM ^
Playing at homes teams to open season, and then go on road four weeks later ... I say we start on road and toughen them up, like when we played Utah, and should have won. The game Kalis was carried.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
I guess they made a statement ... wasn't a pleasant one ...