Will our style of offense eventually become tougher to deal with because it's unusual?

Submitted by Amaizing Blue on

Will our pro-style, fullback-and-tight-end using Harbauffense ever get to the point where it's such an outlier that it's unconventional and therefore harder to stop?  

I was reading something this weekend about how teams hate to play against option football-Air Force, for instance-because they never see it and that makes it difficult to defend. Nobody from the 80's or even 90's could have seen that coming, since so many teams used it then.

It seems likely it will help us in recruiting certain types of players because they'll be used more-fullbacks, tight ends, pure pocket passers.  It seems logical that as teams see our offense less frequently, they'll find it harder to stop-but I don't know enough about the X's and O's to know if that's true.  I'm hopeful it is, but wonder what others think.

Magnus

September 12th, 2016 at 8:20 AM ^

It's never going to become THAT out of the norm, because pro teams run similar offenses. Pro teams aren't running Air Force's offense or Georgia Tech's offenses, so yeah, they're kind of oddball offenses right now. But pro teams are running what Michigan runs, and therefore, some coaches are going to filter down, and some colleges are going to sell the offense to get recruits ("Come here so we can prepare you for what you'll be running in the NFL!).

readyourguard

September 12th, 2016 at 8:27 AM ^

In my opinion, Harbaugh is bringing the pro game to Ann Arbor, meaning, winning games with the pass. Hardly anyone rushes in the pros because defenses are too fast. So, they refine the passing game to a science. I think Harbs is taking rhat approach.

Tater

September 12th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^

Compare what Harbaugh did this weekend to what Les Miles and Cam Cameron did last weekend against Wiscy.  Harbaugh threw on first and second down a lot.  As for Miles and Cameron, if you were playing a drinking game where you had to toss down a shot every time they passed on first or second down and there were more than two minutes left in the game, you wouldn't have gotten the least bit inebriated.  

That is the main difference between Harbaugh and other "pro style" coaches.  If there are nine people in the box, Harbaugh will take advantage of it and throw all day.  Other coaches "establish the running game."

saveferris

September 12th, 2016 at 3:52 PM ^

That is the main difference between Harbaugh and other "pro style" coaches. If there are nine people in the box, Harbaugh will take advantage of it and throw all day. Other coaches "establish the running game."

This was the epiphany I had on Saturday watching the game, because initially, I had the impression that Harbaugh's offense didn't look all that much different than Carr/DeBord's offense, but results are definitely not the same.

Then it hit me, if this was a Lloyd-coached team, we'd spend 2 quarters running into the teeth of that 9 man front trying to wear them down. It would either work or it wouldn't. If it didn't we'd start to take shots downfield through the air around mid-way through the 3rd and wind up with an underwhelming 17 to 24 point victory.

With Harbaugh and Drevno, there's no hesitation. Stack the line against the run? Send FCU home "Air Speight"....

This is better.

ScruffyTheJanitor

September 12th, 2016 at 8:31 AM ^

West coast offense will always have a place, but Harbaugh's offense will always be a bear to deal with. If a team is used to dealing with the spread but still sees a pro-style attack a few times a year, the Harbaughffense will still be a load. It's like what Reggie Jackson said about Nolan Ryan: "Every hitter likes fastballs just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon." Harbaughs offense seems to me like pro-style TO THE MAX. In other words, it's not the offense so much as it is the volume and variation of the plays that will make it a bear to deal with. 

Blue and Joe

September 12th, 2016 at 8:40 AM ^

From my understanding, what makes Harbaugh's offense difficult to stop is all the wrinkles he creates off of semi-normal sets. Right now the offense is very vanilla, but you know he is holding back and setting up plays for the future. We've seen in the past where one game he is doing one thing and then the next game he does something completely different. That's difficult to plan for.

PopeLando

September 12th, 2016 at 11:34 AM ^

This is my interpretation as well. The Harbaughfense isn't smash mouth 80s football...but he wants you to think it is. I also guarantee that Harbaugh has planned what his offenses will look like once the current offense is scouted and adjusted to. It's just that in over 10 years, nobody has made those adjustments to the point of needing change.

Amaizing Blue

September 12th, 2016 at 8:40 AM ^

Harbaugh's abilities will maximize the offense, no doubt.  Football is still football, and I love the emphasis on physical play.  I read something about Harbaugh's offense that said in effect-"Lots of misdirection and trickery that ends with a large angry human running into you at full speed."

Perkis-Size Me

September 12th, 2016 at 9:30 AM ^

Maybe, but over a long period of time, and certainly not in the next few years.

I'll preface this by saying I am not a football guru by any stretch of the imagination, but I think as the spread becomes more and more prevalent in HS and college, you'll start seeing pro-style offenses a bit less.

But it's not like pro style offenses are going the way of the triple option or the wishbone right now. Ton of programs across the country are still running heavy pro style schemes.



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Ali G Bomaye

September 12th, 2016 at 10:02 AM ^

Sure, but lots of teams are playing cupcakes early in the season without similar results. Tennessee put up 13 points in regulation against Appalachain State, Georgia scored 26 against Nicholls State, Oklahoma State scored 27 against Central Michigan, and Clemson scored 30 against Troy despite having the best QB in the country.

Beating up on cupcakes doesn't guarantee that the offense will be good, of course, but it's better than the alternative.

dieseljr32

September 12th, 2016 at 10:17 AM ^

That's my argument to people who have concerns after this game. You don't like a 30+ point win over a team they were supposed to beat by that much? Imagine being Okie State right now. They're probably still outraged. Clemson has looked very slow the first two weeks. I understand nitpicking the game, but concerns? Not yet.

maize-blue

September 12th, 2016 at 10:28 AM ^

I don’t think there are many good pro style passing attacks in college football. There may be good “passing” teams that occasionally put up larger stats, like some of the spread and shred offenses that dink and dunk or screen a lot. However, good and consistent down the field passing attacks don’t seem to be that common. Most down the field passes I see in college football are like mini Hail Mary’s.

I think this type of offense can flourish in college football. Obviously you have to have the right personnel to accomplish this and it’s hard to find the right combination of WR’s, QB and O line, but if it can be done anywhere, UM is the place. Especially with a former high level QB as the head coach. I also think having a Jedd Fisch, or a highly qualified person in the passing game coordinator position, is proving to be highly valuable.

bdneely4

September 12th, 2016 at 10:58 AM ^

and it will become so tough that Michigan Football will become an NFL team and all the pundits that said Harbaugh will eventually go back to the NFL will be pounding their chest.

drzoidburg

September 12th, 2016 at 11:14 AM ^

Yes, defenses aren't built for it any more either. The only concern would be if, similar to what Nebraska's new coach claimed to have run into, there was dwindling amount of talented high school players who could fit into this system. I'm kind of skeptical on this as even 20 years later we see teams like GT, Navy running the option, and part of the college coach's job is to develop/mold talent anyway

Mr. Elbel

September 12th, 2016 at 12:07 PM ^

Harbaugh just adjusts. We see a different offense every week on purpose. He gameplans for each opponent and exposes their weakness. I think we'll see in a bit of a different look every single week from our O, and that's a great thing, because it gives us versatility and makes us way more difficult to prepare for. Can't just take away one thing (as UCF tried to do) and not get burned in a different way. The pieces are in place to make it happen, so I do think while it is a bit unusual for college coaches to change their offensive strategy for each opponent as opposed to daring a defense to stop our specific scheme by trying to scheme around them while remaining in the same look, this will definitely be a difficult O to defend throughout the season.