Where did the $95M Mel Tucker is paid to "rebuild" MSU narrative come from?

Submitted by chuck bass on October 23rd, 2022 at 11:33 AM

I'm not only hearing this MSU is rebuilding narrative from MSU alum in-laws and co-workers, it is leaking into Detroit News and Free Press coverage of the team, which seems to be rewriting history to rationalize regression. MSU was ranked top 15 to begin the season. And pre-season predictions by Spartans and their media had them building on their 2021 success, with everyone predicting 8 to 11 wins.
https://www.theonlycolors.com/2022/8/29/23321603/toc-staff-picks-michigan-state-spartans-season-predictions

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/board/93/Contents/predict-how-many-wins-for-msu-football-in-22-191205140/?page=1

I can not find any predicted regress to a 3 or 4 win season. I can not find any mention of a supposed rebuild, let alone a multi-year rebuild because Mark Dantonio supposedly blew up the program on the way out (10-3, 7-6, 7-6). What "dumper fire" did Dantonio leave? When he retired, MSU's football program had top 20 revenue, according to the Wall Street Journal. https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019

Durham Blue

October 23rd, 2022 at 12:15 PM ^

I predicted MSU would not meet the 8-win over/under number.  Last season they had a generational type RB in Kenneth Walker fall into their laps through the portal, because of course.  This year they don't have that.  They have mediocre talent at most positions and are poorly coached on top of it.  But I give them credit for trying hard.  Make no mistake though, Michigan best be ready for an extreme amount of effort from MSU.  Watch your limbs in the scrums and CBs need to bat down those 30-yard Thorne rainbow prayer throws to the sidelines.  Take away the quick release prayers from Thorne and their offense will be reduced to a nothing burger.

bronxblue

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:29 PM ^

Yeah, even if we ignore OSU because that was always going to be gory MSU had the following second-half differentials against Maryland, Minnesota, and Washington:

  • Washington - 259 vs. 186 yards, 20 vs. 0 points
  • Minnesota - 165 (75 coming on the last TD drive of the game down 34-0) vs. 194 yards, 7 vs. 17 points
  • Maryland - 72 vs. 211 yards, 0 vs. 6 points.

So if we're being generous they fought hard against Washington (mind you not hard enough to overcome giving up 29 points in the first half) and then progressively got worked over by Minnesota, Maryland, and OSU.  And even against Wisconsin, a mediocre-at-best team that is custom-made offensively to struggle against MSU given their limited passing offense and mediocre offensive line, needed Reed to both throw and catch OT TDs AND get a somewhat inexplicable fumble to pull that out.  Yes, they haven't openly revolted against Tucker; Auburn players haven't done so against Brian Harsin either.  Doesn't mean either of those coaches are doing particularly good jobs at coaching, only that college athletes aren't generally quitters.  

duffman is thr…

October 23rd, 2022 at 9:28 PM ^

Even if he could that would have to be pretty embarrassing right? To sign him to this deal and then fold and write him a huge check seems a little humiliating and possibly/probably(?) public. I’m no billionaire but I’m told they have some massive egos and don’t particularly like being wrong or made to look foolish. 

M_Born M_Believer

October 23rd, 2022 at 12:19 PM ^

A few of my Sparty friends were predicting a minor step back in the overall record but "The team will be better overall because of #TuckComing."  This was the narrative I heard over and over again in August.

Today?  They are only shaking their heads, and starting to realize the doom and gloom the program is heading towards and are afraid that Tuck my not even be able to hold together his current recruiting class.....

They are only hoping that we are pig headed and try and run 60 times Saturday.  Not because they think their run D is good, it has more to do with the fact their Pass D is pathetic.  Almost as bad as Iowa's offense.

A2Townie

October 23rd, 2022 at 12:55 PM ^

Fuck little bro. And who cares about Mel Tucker and narratives. Just enjoy their decline. Hopefully Michigan delivers an OSU type of MSU beat down. 

Colt Burgess

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^

They like to say we make a big deal over Tucker's contract, because who really cares how much he makes or who pays his salary. Well, they brought up Harbaugh's salary quite often in the past when he was not living up to our high expectations. The difference, however, is that JH had proven himself at Stanford and San Francisco. Tucker had lost more games than he won his first two years as a head coach, and making him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid head coach in the country based on one good season was a huge risk. His agent used LSU as leverage to obtain a huge guaranteed contract for a coach who barely had more wins than losses after 3 whole years as a head coach. Better now to say it wasn't desperation, but was instead a long term rebuilding investment.

chuck bass

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:28 PM ^

They like to say we make a big deal over Tucker's contract, because who really cares how much he makes or who pays his salary.

I don’t care what the Lions pay Campbell. I don’t care what private Notre Dame pays Freeman. But MSU is a public university, so all Michigan residents should care and have a right to know all of the facts surrounding Tucker’s unprecedented $95M guaranteed. Especially when MSU is plagued by dysfunction, $500M lawsuit settlements, emergency bonds, budget deficits, president turnover, and is so financially challenged they just had to abruptly cancel the men’s and women's swim programs.

Maximinus Thrax

October 23rd, 2022 at 2:31 PM ^

That article is pretty skimpy on details.  He made a $32,000,000 donation to the AD.  OK.  How is that donation restricted?  How have the funds been budgeted?  What is the timing of cash flows?  I can still see how the MSU AD could use this info as part of a disinformation campaign to hide the true financial obligations owed to Tucker. Their does appear to have been an attempt to create the impression that Tucker's salary was donor funded, and data like this article make that seem plausible.  But nobody seems to be coming forward with the signed papers, so it remains to be seen who is really paying the salary. 

chuck bass

October 24th, 2022 at 10:03 AM ^

Reading between the lines and MSU denying the FOIA in court proceedings for the full scope makes one assume the boosters are only paying $32M of the $95M, leaving the university on the hook for $63M. “Two boosters are paying $95M” is a lie. It was and is disinformation to deflect from reckless spending by a dysfunctional public university.

Girlbleedsblue

October 23rd, 2022 at 6:42 PM ^

In my limited experience, once donor funds hit the public university, it’s the university’s money and therefore public. Of course universities will challenge this, but I remember at least 1 lawsuit where someone won in court against CMU to get information on a position funded by a donor. But 🤷‍♀️. It’s fun to watch them squirm,  maybe Mel can be their next President too.

 

 

duffman is thr…

October 23rd, 2022 at 9:37 PM ^

Any of that crap people brought about Harbaugh’s contract is exactly that…crap. We were hiring away an extremely successful coach (College and NFL) from the pros. That means big money whether he’s an alum and former player or not. Jim Harbaugh could have and would have landed another gig in the NFL no doubt. That’s what we were up against. I never once had an issue with his salary. It was reasonable and expected and also perfectly affordable for Michigan. Not to mention his performance at Michigan has been largely good to excellent. Michigan and Harbaugh just happen to draw a shitload of attention. 

bronxblue

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:06 PM ^

MSU had taken a step back toward the end of Dantonio's run but a decent part of that was because OSU, PSU, and UM were all back to their historical averages in terms of talent and productivity.  I looked this up at some point but when MSU was winning 10+ games consistently (2010-2015 then won 11+ 5 out of 6 years) both UM and PSU won 10+ exactly twice (UM in 2011 and in 2015).  After 2015 Michigan and PSU combined for 10+ wins 6 times (and counting) while MSU has 2 such seasons, both of which were pretty flukey (2017 they went 10-3 by going 5-1 in 1-score games and in 2021 we all remember how that played out).  MSU filled a power vacuum over that period and when the perennial talents around them recovered it was game over.  

But Mel Tucker also hasn't really done much to rebuild them from that dip; his recruiting has been fine but they're not recruiting the region particularly well.  Over the last 2 classes (so 2022 and 2023 since COVID sort of threw off recruiting the first year) he's got 13 guys from the Midwest...and 17 kids from Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and Texas.  Michigan isn't any great shakes locally but they've historically been able to recruit well across the country; this is relatively new territory for MSU and we'll see if it works out.  Absolutely NIL has made it viable to get kids from elsewhere but it still feels like Tucker is trying to run a program doesn't match what they're good at (getting kids locally who feel slighted by the bigger schools and then turn into solid college players as upperclassmen).  

And all offseason I heard "Mel Tucker doesn't want to build through the portal" and yet he still took a fair number of transfers over the past 2 years to fill in holes that he, in theory, should have recruited to address.  Their offensive line has been terrible for 3 years now and yet he's only recruited 7 offensive linemen in 2 years and most of them were lower-rated kids or JuCos.  Similarly his secondary has struggled and yet they're still trotting out transfers instead of letting their younger recruits break thru, if they could, and get some meaningful playing time.  My sense is that Tucker has always viewed MSU as a stopover and so is trying to win as many games as possible each year regardless of sustainability.  It's why he took a bunch of RB transfers again and hoping to find another Walker.  I suspect that he'll keep pushing the narrative of "the cupboards are bare" for a year or two but MSU is going to settle into their spot as the #3/#4 best team in the East and at some point Tucker will either leave or one of their rich donors (who totally is on the hook for the full buyout and that's why MSU is fighting so hard to hide those contract terms because they don't want to let everyone else know how awesome they are and how cool and rich they are) will push someone to eat that buyout and they'll move on.

UMfan21

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:18 PM ^

To be fair, I believe myself and many on the board felt Dantonio's recruiting was going down hill towards the end.  I remember chipping to my MSU friends that Harbaugh had turned the corner and would be dominating since MSU recruiting was garbage.

But that's not a "rebuild", that's a makeover.   When Harbaugh came in, he had to strip the house down to the studs and build it back up.  Tucker is just painting the walls and adding a couple throw pillows to the couch.

 

 

XM - Mt 1822

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:36 PM ^

harbaugh did not have to 'strip the house down to the studs'.  whatever else we can say about hoke, besides being a very good guy he was a pretty good recruiter.  the 2015 and 2016 teams were good and had virtually 100% hoke kids.  

the cupboard wasn't perfect, but it was far from empty and a lot better than the true 'empty cupboards' that some coaches inherit. 

UMForLife

October 23rd, 2022 at 2:36 PM ^

Agree. QB was one position, a very critical position, that was not recruited well by Hoke. Harbaugh had two good QBs -- Rudock and Cade and he had good and great seasons with them respectively. JJ is another level and we have him for two years. This year and next will be exciting. Hope we land a killer QB for 2024.

Colt Burgess

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:38 PM ^

Hoke left a good class of juniors that Harbaugh won 20 games with his first two years. He also recruited quite well in the beginning. Harbaugh's difficulties at Michigan have been more about finding quarterbacks and assistant coaches. Replacing Don Brown, Ed Warriner, and Mike Zordich were a big reason for last year's success. 

Hail Harbo

October 23rd, 2022 at 6:15 PM ^

But that's not a "rebuild", that's a makeover.   When Harbaugh came in, he had to strip the house down to the studs and build it back up.  Tucker is just painting the walls and adding a couple throw pillows to the couch.

Huh?  Again, Huh?  2015 Harbaugh added one Iowa grad transfer QB, a gem in the rough, and an Aussie punter who will infamously be remembered as the guy that lost the MSU game.  Other than that Harbaugh's 10-3 2015 team was almost entirely Hoke.  As was the 10-3 2016 team.  It wouldn't be until 2017 (8-5) that Harbaugh's players started to contribute in substantial numbers.

duffman is thr…

October 23rd, 2022 at 10:08 PM ^

Uh…you’re talking about Michigan? Harbaugh did not strip anything to the studs. Maybe RR did. Harbaugh took all of these Hoke recruits and immediately won 10 games back to back. Then he had a mix of injuries and shortage of talent largely from mass attrition previously. Even that year (2017) we managed an okay year despite the bad QB and overall offensive play, 

MacaroniParty

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:37 PM ^

The further MSU gets away from Dantonio, the worse the program will be. Similar to Urban and OSU but the decline is more profound because I could coach OSU and still win 10/11 games a year. 

Bo Harbaugh

October 23rd, 2022 at 1:45 PM ^

Tuck already came.  He's shooting blanks now.

Enjoy 10 years of bad to mediocre football and/or a huge buyout sharty. 

$95mm and ten years for a .500 career head coach with 2 wins over UM (1 in a Covid year), is so on brand for little brother.

Brhino

October 23rd, 2022 at 2:26 PM ^

Before the season, Spartan fans felt that Tucker was Nick Saban 2.0, and it was 10+ wins a year.  The rest of us told them that last year was a statistical freak show (near-Heisman RB transfer + outgained in half their wins) and that they didn't project to do that again.  They ignored that and Tucker got paid.

Now that they're playing like butt, some of the more rational ones are accepting the "statistical freak show" analysis but tagging on the "well, we're rebuilding, we're going to keep getting better" and still saying they see an upward trend.  Which... okay.

LB

October 23rd, 2022 at 5:56 PM ^

I still believe that the slide began with Narduzzi leaving. Since then it's been like the proverbial couch on fire; rolling downhill igniting dumpsters along the way.

 

OldSchoolWolverine

October 23rd, 2022 at 7:08 PM ^

Dantonio had success because he had a hand from his pal Tressel, who funneled all the plan B Ohio guys to MSU, that normally went to us.   Once Tressel was gone and that pipeline dried up, they went south a bit.  Tucker came in to recruit with the bigs like Michigan, and he's been doing it... but apparently he cannot coach so well and their record is showing it. 

Meyer came in and ended it.