rob f

October 20th, 2020 at 11:11 PM ^

I posted a warning on the mod sticky thread a short while ago after reviewing your recent posting history, Tsunami. Others have been banned for the type of disinformation I'm seeing from you.

From this point forward it would serve you well to check your sources and find verification for your "information" prior to posting.   

As I've previously warned others, though, it's ultimately your choice.

tsunami42080

October 21st, 2020 at 12:51 AM ^

Dr. Scott Jensen has talked about manipulating the way death's are counted

Dr. Keith Rose has discussed PCR testing misuse to increase cases. 

There are many more raising concerns, but most are being taken down as misinformation so links are hard to come by. Doesn't matter, no minds will be changed. Thanks for the heads up about disinformation.

robpollard

October 20th, 2020 at 3:12 PM ^

Right. I agree you want to keep it restricted to the 18-29 year olds, for whom this disease is not ideal, but almost always not a big issue. That's exactly why that group is told to "stay at home" -- to prevent (or at least significantly reduce) this outbreak from getting to the more vulnerable populations. They say that in the order.

It's not a good public health policy to wait until it becomes a crisis and *then* try to stuff the genie back into the bottle. If you want to reduce preventable deaths, you have to actually try to prevent them.

This is not that onerous for the undergrads -- they still get to live in the dorms/off-campus housing, drink beer, go to work, go to doctor's appts, go to class, go to church, etc. They just can't go to Rick's, the Brown Jug or the movies etc for two weeks.

GBBlue

October 20th, 2020 at 3:39 PM ^

"It's not a good public health policy to wait until it becomes a crisis and *then* try to stuff the genie back into the bottle. If you want to reduce preventable deaths, you have to actually try to prevent them."

This is 100% correct, and very well put. Early on in this crisis, a certain Dr. Fauci said something to the effect, "If we do this right and we're successful, everything will seem like overkill." The viral transmission happening right now in Ann Arbor won't be reflected in the stats for weeks. If we wait until the hospitalization and death statistics "justify" stronger action, it's way too late.

That said, I really feel for the students. What a terrible year to have as part of your college experience.

Elit1st

October 20th, 2020 at 4:17 PM ^

This is categorically untrue. I am a physician at UM and our daily update from this morning has us at 20 hospitalized, a few of which are in the ICU and one patient who is pediatric ICU. 
 

While this may not seem like a lot to you, hospitalizations from COVID are trending upwards. This is about preventing our Health care system from getting over run, protecting staff, and ensuring that non-Covid patients with critical needs can get in to the hospital for care when needed. 

Ann Arbor luckily avoided the first wave, and we never had turn the field house into a 500 bed COVID units, where physicians who typically don’t treat upper respiratory infections would have been forced into duty. 
 

 

Go Blue Eyes

October 20th, 2020 at 2:26 PM ^

OK - so are they going to start checking people's papers when they are walking on the street?  How is this enforceable?  Imagine a 19 year old non-student walking down State Street.  Are they going to stop him or her?

I would imagine there will be lawsuits. 

ndscott50

October 20th, 2020 at 2:36 PM ^

CU Boulder did this a few weeks ago and yes, the police did start stopping people walking down the street, writing tickets and referring them to the school for disciplinary actions. The Boulder rule included all 18 to 22 year olds.  I am not sure how they will handle the student vs. non student issue in Ann Arbor.

The lawsuit risk is low.  The rule applies to 18 to 22 years olds.  They have no political power and limited resources to defend themselves.  Not saying it is right, but targeting young people is an easy decision politically for Washtenaw country health, local leaders and the University administration to make.

Go Blue Eyes

October 20th, 2020 at 2:42 PM ^

Here is the actual order:  https://www.washtenaw.org/DocumentCenter/View/18386/Order---Stay-in-pla…;

It only mentions UM undergraduates. Says nothing about Ann Arbor residents in the same age group.  Graduate students are not mentioned either.

I can see the point of trying to curtail the spread of Covid but they are still leaving a lot of openings by other people. 

bronxblue

October 20th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^

I assume it'll be like how they enforce this rules in other college towns - if you are not following proper safety protocols somewhat egregiously you'll get some pushback, but nobody is probably going to stop someone walking on the street during normal hours.  I'm sure people will file lawsuits - we make it pretty easy in this country to file a lawsuit against an entity with money.  But I doubt much would come of them.

Don

October 20th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^

If you'd told me back in 1971-72 in Markley Van Tyne or 1972-73 Reeves while I was listening to Ten Years After and the Allman Brothers that kids young enough to be my grandchildren would eventually be under pandemic quarantine there, I'd have asked for another hit off that really excellent joint.

ak47

October 20th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^

Oh look, the schools pathetic plan is failing and its taking the county to step in to deal with the problem. Michigan leadership response to this has been pathetic, Schlissel doesn't have it.

oriental andrew

October 20th, 2020 at 3:19 PM ^

That's the wrong take. It's likely that they've determined that UM undergrads are the primary spreaders of the coronavirus based on testing and contact tracing protocols. As such, they are the group which needs the greatest amount of mitigation. 

That undergrads would fall into this category is also not at all surprising. 

And I know you're being intentionally obtuse, but of course grad students are not immune - they just tend to be older, more mature, and more careful. 

Blue Me

October 20th, 2020 at 6:04 PM ^

I take a 15 mile bike ride around A2 3-4 time a week that routes me through the Diag and the ghetto and don't recall seeing any graduate students playing drinking games in front of their houses.

There is one house on Granger near White where there always seems to be a group of coeds playing beer pong out front in the afternoons. I kinda miss throngs of hard drinking young ladies around -- get very little (okay, none) of that with my wife of almost 31 years.

 

ndscott50

October 20th, 2020 at 2:41 PM ^

The football/sports exception is weak sauce by Washtenaw County Health. They essentially wrote an order that will generate the least amount of blow back on them.  Focus on undergrads who have the least ability to push back and exempt anything that will bother people with money/power. I does not seem like the science is driving this decision.

ndscott50

October 20th, 2020 at 3:04 PM ^

I think that is a weak argument though unless the athletes are isolated from the broader undergraduate community. The health department has determined that the undergraduate population at Michigan is the primary source of spread in the county.  As a result, that community is ordered to stay home to limit this spread.  The football team does have the advantage of more testing but as the White House has shown us aggressive testing does not prevent the spread of Covid once its established in a population. We have seen this with NFL teams as well.  The incubation period limits the effectiveness of frequent testing. Once you declare a community (U of M undergrads) as problem the requires locking them down it is questionable to exempt members of that community (U of M athletes).  The other exemptions require “Strict adherence to preventive measures”.  You can’t do this when playing football.

I don’t necessarily agree with the lockdown of students.  I think they could launch a much more aggressive approach to gatherings/parties.  However, once they went with the lockdown approach the football exception is hypocritical at best and damages public acceptance of their other orders.

huntmich

October 20th, 2020 at 4:34 PM ^

A man I work with is my age, 36, had no preexisting conditions, caught covid in March, was in bed for 4 weeks, couldn't exercise for another 6, and still has week long fevers of 102 where he doesn't know whether he is contagious, whether he needs to go to the ER, whether the condition will deteriorate, and if it will ever go away. My childhood friend's dad died. And people like you continue to mock wearing a piece of cloth over your face so that less people will suffer those fates.

 

This country has been fucked up for a while. This virus is just shining a Maglite up to it.

NittanyFan

October 20th, 2020 at 2:43 PM ^

A typical tactic from governmental "leaders."

When they need to do something --- target those with the least amount of political power and limited resources to defend themselves.

It's complete bull kaka IMO, though I'm sure some will support it.

NittanyFan

October 20th, 2020 at 2:54 PM ^

I'll bet $10 internet dollars you are not part of the group being targeted.

Let's be blunt.  It's ALWAYS easier to support a policy of "take rights away from those people" when you aren't being directly affected.

If Washtenaw County believes they have a problem, target everybody.  Aren't we supposed to be "following the science?"  Well, science is definitive in saying that Washtenaw County residents who are not U-M undergrads can also spread the virus.

rob f

October 20th, 2020 at 3:46 PM ^

This time you omitted the "fucking all the way off" part. 

That's the improvement we're striving for here. 

I'm not expecting a bunch of choir boy behavior on the board, just a little more civility and decorum.  Why should that be too much to ask when we all prefer to think of the MGoBoard as being a cut above the RCMBs and MLive comment sections of the world?

Shop Smart Sho…

October 20th, 2020 at 4:04 PM ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyBH5oNQOS0&ab_channel=DanielBothma

I'm not using any words that the proprietor and operator doesn't use, and this isn't broadcast tv.

You're worried that I asked a covid troll and PSU fan to fuck off to a PSU board outside of OT season? I didn't even TELL him to fuck off, I simply ASKED him to fuck off. I thought that was pretty polite of me. I'm not even the first person to ask or tell him to fuck off. It's been done quite a bit over the summer. 

rob f

October 20th, 2020 at 4:30 PM ^

NF has kept it civil, though I disagree with the vast majority of his take on this thread.  Don't believe me?  I posed a counterpoint/question to him several minutes ago on the previous page of this thread, well before seeing your question HL.

My alternative to trying to keep the peace here is simply locking or deleting the thread, which may yet happen.

 

Shop Smart Sho…

October 20th, 2020 at 4:43 PM ^

Is there a reason you can't ban him?

Because just in this thread he's been called out for lying about the number of cases in the county.

It's been brought up that he lied about the data in Wisconsin recently.

He's done the same all summer.

Do he and Pony Conqueror have incriminating photos of someone?

NittanyFan

October 20th, 2020 at 5:37 PM ^

I did not lie about the data in Wisconsin when I posted it 2 weeks ago.  As a matter of fact, all the data was sourced DIRECTLY from the Wisconsin government website!

I even referenced the website in my post.

My post is in this thread.  You can reference if you like.  All my numbers can be verified.

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/if-you-did-not-think-sec-could-be-more-irr…

TIMMMMMAY (apologies if I don't have the correct number of M's) doesn't like me, but he is 100% false if he says I made up data.  100% false.  The proof is in the link above.