Washtenaw County to Issue Stay at Home Order for M Students
October 20th, 2020 at 7:58 PM ^
I want to add that most of their classmates have been incredibly cautious. All my roommates and the few people I hang out with outside my house have limited their contact to a handful of people, have always worn masks and distanced, and only eat outdoors at restaurants. I would guess most of the cases are coming from 1) Greek Life and 2) idiots lining up to go to Jug (these groups are not mutually exclusive).
October 20th, 2020 at 2:15 PM ^
So does this impact the football team's ability to play? I mean today the mountain west conference cancelled the Colorado State/New Mexico game for that exact reason.
Hoo boy.
EDIT: Zach Shaw just reported that no, this will not stop the football team from playing.
https://twitter.com/_ZachShaw/status/1318614589140029441?s=20
October 20th, 2020 at 9:06 PM ^
Have you already lost your bet from months back that football wouldn’t be played this year? I cannot remember if it was specifically for NFL or NCAA or both/any.
October 21st, 2020 at 1:20 PM ^
This order might not stop, but here is the Big 10's own criteria for allowing games to go forward:
Here’s the criteria the Big Ten shared:
- Team positivity rate (number of positive tests divided by total number of tests administered):
- Green 0-2%
- Orange 2-5%
- Red >5%
- Population positivity rate (number of positive individuals divided by total population at risk):
- Green 0-3.5%
- Orange 3.5-7.5%
- Red >7.5%
Here’s how the stoplight system of green, orange, red will be deployed:
Two greens, or one green and one orange: teams are good to go.
Two oranges, or one orange and one red: teams must proceed with caution, or “enhance COVID-19 prevention” by altering practice and meeting schedules. Teams must also consider whether it’s viable continuing with their games as scheduled.
Two reds: The team must shut down regular practice and games for a minimum of seven days, then must assess when it’s safe to come back.
As what happened in the Mountain West, I assume the Big 10 would reserve the right to step in, depending on how they view the Population positivity rate, especially if it reaches Red zone. It appears the best bet in ensuring a game is to keep the Team positivity rate in the Green zone.
October 20th, 2020 at 2:15 PM ^
Sooo what do they do about STUDENT-Athletes?
Edit: After reading the order and seeing all of the exemptions my takeaway is that this is basically an no mass gathering (i.e. partying/tailgating) student order.
October 20th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^
We'll still play football, I don't think that is even in doubt.
October 20th, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^
Frankly, think we should all probably view this year as a day-to-day situation.
October 20th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^
Zach Shaw just sent out a tweet saying the order will not have an impact on Athletic Teams.
October 20th, 2020 at 2:23 PM ^
U of M students did better than MSU students in terms of outbreaks (whose outbreak was last month, and it's still somewhat elevated), but turns out not by much. College students are pretty similar around the world, esp when you have them living in dorms.
Right now the outbreak in Washtenaw County is mostly due to 18-29 year olds, so hopefully this stay-at-home order, and some common sense by the students, will help keep it largely contained to that population and thus hospitalizations will remain low (and deaths even lower) while this works itself out.
https://www.washtenaw.org/3108/Cases
We're exactly one month until in-person classes end, and then many students will be moving back home, so the outbreak needs to be done by then...otherwise, U of M students will be bringing something extra special to their parents & grandparents for Thanksgiving.
October 20th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
So looking at that website:
Washtenaw County --- which has a world-class hospital system within its boundaries, and is within easy driving distance of a major American city with its own extensive high-quality hospital system --- has had around ONE person hospitalized with CoronaVirus daily over the course of October.
One.
ONE.
Which is about 90% lower than where the County was in mid-April.
This isn't directed to you specifically. But I definitely don't see what the "crisis" is here at this point, such that we need to take away liberties from a significant group of the Washtenaw County population.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:04 PM ^
I cannot understand your obsessive need to downplay the novel coronavirus at every opportunity. Is it political?
October 20th, 2020 at 3:18 PM ^
No, it's not political.
Further restrictions of rights, versus where we are right now, should only be used in cases where the hospital system is at risk of overload.
Washtenaw County, as my data pointed out, is nowhere near that point. Not even close.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:26 PM ^
I work at the hospital. I am just fine with these restrictions. I am not a nurse or doctor, but one of the faceless members of support operations. Please try to think of hospital workers from top to bottom when you say stuff like this.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:30 PM ^
I am thinking of total aggregate society when I voice my opinion.
And, I will be blunt. IMO, people who work in health care (like yourself) are not any more or less important than anyone else on the planet, including the thousands of U-M undergrads in Ann Arbor.
I'm not a fan at all of placing people on a totem pole - these people matter more than other people. Everybody matters. It's why I 100% hate the term "essential workers." That term effectively says that non-essential workers do NOT matter.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:35 PM ^
Well, yeah. Some people have jobs that matter in the functioning of society, and then there are day traders and people like them. Who, if they were to all disappear, would have no material impact on society working on a day to day basis. The only thing we'd miss is their consumption, and we can simply replace that through government spending and increased population growth.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
I believe that whatever higher power created me created the other 7,800,000,000 souls on Earth too.
Everyone from the brilliant medical researcher to the crack-addict homeless guy who will likely never be able to break his addiction.
We all matter.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^
Shouldn't be surprised you'd find a way to drop "all lives matter" into your drivel.
But no, a day trader has much less value in the day to day operations of society than a clerk at the grocery store.
The local tennis pro, who happens to be me, has much less value to keeping a society functioning than the person driving the fuel delivery truck.
There is nothing amoral about recognizing crafting rules with that knowledge in mind.
October 20th, 2020 at 5:35 PM ^
"All lives DO matter." That isn't political drivel, that is a statement of fact. A fact that our Creator, if you believe in a Creator, would agree with.
It is absolutely crazy that a phrase like "all lives matter" is viewed as hateful by some.
October 20th, 2020 at 8:56 PM ^
It's not, and you know why it isn't. If a wife asks her husband "Do you love me?" and he responds "I love all women." do you think she's going to feel all warm and fuzzy?
"All lives matter" is a platitude meant to deflect from the fact that many lives do not matter equally in the eyes of many.
But you know this.
October 20th, 2020 at 9:11 PM ^
Quote from you ---
"All lives matter" is a platitude meant to deflect from the fact that many lives do not matter equally in the eyes of many.
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The hilarious thing is that it is OTHERS arguing that the tennis pro and day trader matters less in life. It's the OTHER posters who are explicitly stating that "many lives do not matter equally!"
I call them out for that attitude, and you're mad at me? Really? I'm the one who is PROMOTING equality!
To repeat - ALL lives matter. I'll continue to say that.
October 21st, 2020 at 8:26 AM ^
lol, who's mad? You're the one that brought up hating the term essential workers because it implies that not all lives matter.
It doesn't imply that at all. It's a term to describe the people we *need* to have out and about doing their jobs for our country to function. The point isn't that essential workers should be protected more or that they matter more, it's that during a shutdown you want to identify as few people as possible that you allow to go about business more or less as usual because having fewer people out and about drastically reduces the spread of the virus.
But again, you know all this. You just can't help getting lathered up, and that's your choice, but the more people like you out there publicly downplaying this, the longer we're going to have to deal with it.
October 21st, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
You seem to be confusing a person's being with their occupation.
October 21st, 2020 at 4:39 PM ^
You are so incredibly disingenuous, it's sickening. Prior to covid, you were a solid contributor to the board. I'm pretty sure I even defended you a couple times when random fanboys would ask why a PSU fan is here. Now... clown show.
October 20th, 2020 at 4:05 PM ^
If you truly wanted to prove it by works rather than words, NittanyFan, then honestly, are you applying that to wearing a mask and social distancing properly at all times when indoors at your grocery store and restaurants and bars and church and athletic events, etc. ---all that apply to your daily life when in public places?
Or, hypothetically, do your own personal liberties rank so high, when compared to making a temporary small sacrifice for a sizeable number of those 7,800,000,000+ souls, that it just isn't important enough for you to make that contribution to the greater good?
October 20th, 2020 at 5:33 PM ^
I'm a mask-wearer .... I was a proponent of masks before most, advocated for them back in March.
My issues w/ regulations center primarily around:
(1) regulations not encompassing the entire population, but only instead distinct subsets, inevitably those who are less politically powerful. It should be all-or-nothing as regards the population.
(2) regulations that produce almost zero incremental gain in terms of reducing spread (e.g., banning trick-or-treating, or cancelling a whole football game because one student-athlete is positive. Just isolate the positive and play the game).
October 20th, 2020 at 6:52 PM ^
As we have seen countless times throughout the pandemic, more cases eventually lead to more hospitalizations eventually lead to more deaths. Washtenaw County is seeing more cases, if the pattern holds, that will lead to more hospitalizations and more deaths.
The data is pretty clear, the increase in cases is coming from students, why would you restrict more people’s rights to control a problem that you could address by restricting less ;people’s rights?
October 20th, 2020 at 9:23 PM ^
The state has been increasing in cases for 3 months now and hospitalizations and deaths have not tracked as they did March through May.
October 20th, 2020 at 9:42 PM ^
This. The states that had their peaks over the summer also saw this same thing. A major change happened.
October 21st, 2020 at 11:38 AM ^
Younger people were getting it.
October 20th, 2020 at 8:06 PM ^
Your point #1 seems to indicate you are open to shutdowns rather than targeting that segment of the population that is spreading covid. On first glance, this seems contradictory to what I've read of your posts over the last several months, correct me if I'm wrong. But if true, at what point do you again enact shutdowns? Before it gets bad or not until it reaches major crisis/disaster stage?
Point #2 seems fairly reasonable, as long as testing/tracing is up to snuff in order to prevent further spread on a micro level. This while hopefully science can fully catch up on a macro level in both treatment and prevention.
Me? The old adage "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" sure seems to be pretty good strategy to adhere to until we've got a viable vaccine distributed and administered to the point that we've achieved a meaningful level of immunity among our population.
October 20th, 2020 at 8:19 PM ^
Canceling a football game b/c of Covid-19 team members is just part of cluster control, just like people exposed at a family dinner should self-quarantine until it all shakes out. It takes at least 2 weeks often 3 weeks to fully assess and control a cluster even with self-quarantine etc.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:36 PM ^
There is an entire post about the PSU running back situation and you are no where near it. Yet at the first mention of COVID, you are here slinging your nonsense. Why do you come to this blog?
October 20th, 2020 at 3:45 PM ^
It is not a requirement for me to comment on a PSU thread in order to comment elsewhere.
FWIW, I've posted in 3 other threads in the last 2 days besides this one. None COVID related.
As regards Journey Brown, what is there to say? It is unfortunate he is out, and it will likely hurt PSU. Ford and Cain will get more snaps at RB. What insight is there beyond that?
October 20th, 2020 at 3:39 PM ^
But you aren’t thinking of society. You are thinking of yourself.
I haven’t seen my parents in six months. My step-mom, who is a month away from retirement had a scare when one of her co-workers was diagnosed with Covid(asymptomatic). My dad is immunocompromised.
Things turned out fine, but I am on pins and needles with Covid in regards to my parents. UM wouldn’t test anyone because they didn’t have symptoms.(Did same thing to me in April when I didn’t have enough symptoms. I’ll never know if I had it.)
Michigan’s handling of this is, while not terrible, not ideal either. People need to know this.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:47 PM ^
I was just at U of M Hospital yesterday for a couple of hours for an appt (everything's fine, thanks).
It is stressful enough to be in a medical setting for whatever issue you are there for, without *also* having to worry about a stressed out, overwhelmed staff dealing with a pandemic, and possibly spreading it to yourself or your loved one.
This "stay at home" order is not a big burden on these undergrads. It is the least that can be expected of them, considering the outbreak is centered among them.
October 20th, 2020 at 4:49 PM ^
"That term effectively says that non-essential workers do NOT matter."
Only people like you interpret it that way. I don't work in healthcare nor am I any kind of self-responder, and I have never once for even a millisecond thought that the term "essential workers" means I "do not matter."
October 20th, 2020 at 3:41 PM ^
That sounds political to me. We make sacrifices every day for the health of other people, or should.
We stop at red lights so we dont hit a pedestrian or another vehicle. We wash our hands and cover our faces when we cough so we dont spread the flu. We wear masks and shoe covers in the operating rooms we dont infect surgical patients. People who have a disease like HIV or hepatitis C should refrain from having sex with the uninfected without their knowledge.
I dont want to get to the point where I am thinking that my individual rights to not wear a mask or not quarantine are more important than the life of your or my grandparents.
October 20th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
You also pointed out "data" that said the same thing about Wisconsin a couple weeks back. The very next day they set up a field hospital to handle the overload from their hospital systems. You never responded to the link I posted, documenting that. You do this constantly, are constantly proven wrong in short order (usually a matter of days). And yet you persist with this... shit.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:23 PM ^
Of course it's political.
14 days.
October 20th, 2020 at 4:00 PM ^
14 days +1 and the next election cycle starts though.
October 20th, 2020 at 3:32 PM ^
Conversely, many don't understand the desire of people/media to proclaim the end of the world, continued shelter in place, taking away liberties, etc over a virus that a censored and silenced group of medical professionals are clearly saying is embellished.
October 20th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^
220,000 souls would claim it is not embellished. They win the embellishment argument.
October 20th, 2020 at 6:50 PM ^
Again, I would challenge you to do some digging into the "numbers" or "science" that is espoused on CNN every day. I'm simply not buying what they are selling. I've heard too much and read too much about manipulating death counts, and PCR tests, and a lot more. Not denying some have died due to Covid and that is tragic.
If we are bringing up death counts, there are a lot of ways you can go with that too - suicides, less vaccinated children, death due to skipping doctors and hospitals due to covid fear, etc. These were all self inflicted.
We can go back and forth all day about numbers - my sources are not MSM, yours likely are. What USED to be the beautiful thing about this country is that the information was presented and the people got to decide for themselves but shockingly brazen censorship is killing that notion. We are essentially China, but I digress.
October 20th, 2020 at 7:08 PM ^
You threw a lot up against the wall but failed to offer any substantiating stats as your words slid to the floor.
I'm sure similar "arguments" were made in 1917 but the fact is ut wasn't until after masks were enforced with stiff fines for non-compliance that the pandemic was brought under control.
October 20th, 2020 at 8:53 PM ^
^^^This I know to be true---my grandfather had to deal with dodging the flu pandemic and fighting in WWI practically simultaneously. If he had succumbed to either, my mother, me and my siblings and kids and granddaughter, and also numerous aunts, uncles cousins, nieces, nephews, etc wouldn't be here.
(I'll try to keep the remainder of this as short as possible, but want to illustrate my point at least one step further)
Great Grandpa Wilhelm immigrated from Germany in the mid 19th century; a year later more of his family came over once Wilhelm found work for all in the UP copper mines. After 4-5 years, he and his 3 brothers settled in tillable farm country surrounding GR. Wilhelm married, started a family in 1869 (his brothers did likewise), but illness struck, and 3 of Grandpa's first 5 siblings died of a diptheria epidemic that my great grandma Florentine inadvertently brought home after helping another relative that was battling diptheria in her household.
Subsequent illnesses and epidemics over the years took the lives of more siblings; my grandpa (who was born in 1894) was the youngest of 13, only 6 of whom survived to adulthood. Besides the first 3 who earlier died of diptheria, 3 others died along the way of flu and another died of brain cancer. My grandfather and the siblings born from the late 1870s on essentially were conceived as replacement children because back then nearly all farms were family farms and the kids were the farmhands.
By the time the flu pandemic of 1918 rolled around, masks had been developed and accepted. A little research tells us that until the dawn of the 20th century masks were practically non-existent; it wasn't until roughly 1915-ish that the medical field widely started buying in to the benefits of masks for a wide range of disease prevention applications.
From what I've learned of my family's oral history and thru family tree research/shared information, my great grandma (no doubt because of the losses she had suffered thru the years) was insistent upon isolation and the new practice of mask wearing by that time, and (I know it's anecdotal evidence) it worked---everyone in the family survived that pandemic.
October 20th, 2020 at 8:24 PM ^
Since we seem to be valuing civility in the face of such dangerous and ignorant rhetoric, I deleted the long reply that was full of things about you and your ilk that I would not be proud to have my grandmother read. Instead I leave you with this recipe for potato salad and wish that you would enjoy it at your earliest convenience.
- 6 medium white potatoes or Yukon golds about 2 1/2 to 3 pounds, skin on and quartered
- 3 tablespoons white vinegar
- 2 celery stalks (ribs)diced
- 6 green onions diced
- 5 hard boiled eggs peeled
- 3 large turds
- 1 tablespoon yellow mustard
- 1 1/2 teaspoons celery seed
- 3/4 teaspoon kosher salt
- 3/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
- paprika for garnish
October 20th, 2020 at 8:53 PM ^
Reminds me of the time my mom contemplated making laxative brownies for a frenemy's potluck.
October 20th, 2020 at 9:06 PM ^
Can 3 large dog turds or 1 shovel full of horse manure be substituted?
Asking for a friend.
October 20th, 2020 at 9:13 PM ^
The numbers that are being reported are coming from state reported data and the compilations that many organizations from Johns Hopkins to the Covid Tracking Project to more traditional media outlets like the Washington Post are all quite similar. They are also consistent with looking at the data in terms of excess mortality, by the CDC (not a traditional part of the MSM)
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w
“Summary
What is already known about this topic?
As of October 15, 216,025 deaths from COVID-19 have been reported in the United States; however, this might underestimate the total impact of the pandemic on mortality.
What is added by this report?
Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons.”
I don’t think your problem is with mainstream media,I think its with the actual data.
October 20th, 2020 at 10:11 PM ^
Does the CDC count as the MSM and fake news?
By their count, the official death toll is significantly understating the impact of Covid -- closer to 300k. But please enlighten us with your non-MSM sources and tell us more about China
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-10-20/cdc-repor…