lilpenny1316

October 26th, 2023 at 12:12 AM ^

If the messenger illegally acquired the information, then that is 100000x worse than the actual information. We're talking about someone potentially hacking information that could have had personal information on there (credit card information, social security numbers, private addresses, etc).

There's a reason the school started the school year late due to a hacking incident. Data breaches are serious business and way more important than a plan to scout stupid signals.

Cam

October 26th, 2023 at 12:00 AM ^

So basically, someone on Michigan’s staff  got paid by an outside investigate firm to reveal the scheme, and that firm was hired by someone with enough information to know that dirt would be found. This is wild. When these individuals are identified (and they will be), there will be legitimate concern for their safety. 

CLord

October 26th, 2023 at 12:12 AM ^

Why is this outside firm being kept anonymous?  Why not be open about it?  What is there to hide here?  Who retained them?  This firm hacked our systems apparently?  

mgoblue78

October 26th, 2023 at 12:16 AM ^

You.. can be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes! You can be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes! You say.. “Steve.. how can I be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes?” First.. get a million dollars. Now.. you say, “Steve.. what do I say to the tax man when he comes to my door and says, ‘You.. have never paid taxes’?” Two simple words. Two simple words in the English language: “I forgot!” How many times do we let ourselves get into terrible situations because we don’t say “I forgot”? Let’s say you’re on trial for armed robbery. You say to the judge, “I forgot armed robbery was illegal.” Let’s suppose he says back to you, “You have committed a foul crime. you have stolen hundreds and thousands of dollars from people at random, and you say, ‘I forgot’?” Two simple words: Excuuuuuse me!!“

UofM Die Hard …

October 26th, 2023 at 12:35 AM ^

You know…with Pac 12 being murdered, and now all this (whatever the truths or falsehoods of all this is) …I may be close to being done with CFB , and the scary/sad part is I might be telling myself the truth with that statement. 
 

I’m on PTO rest of this week. I’m checking out 

 

god speed brothers and sisters 
 


 

 

blueballsohard

October 26th, 2023 at 12:40 AM ^

Your teen kid gets caught with weed in his bag...for the third time... and you genuinely believe that the security guard planted it, because he doesn't like your kid. The delusion on this board is exhausting. Sigh

Ghost of Fritz…

October 26th, 2023 at 1:36 AM ^

People, stop worrying.  

There is NOTHING in NCAA rules that prohibits a football program from paying a 3rd party to record the games (and even the sidelines) of future opponents.

On a different thread I gave very lengthy explanations.

To keep it short.. NCAA rules ban in-person scouting by institution staff.  However, the rules do NOT ban compensating 3rd parties for recordings of future opponent games. 

In fact, before 2013 paying 3rd parties for recordings of future opponents' games was prohibited.  But in 2013 the NCAA repealed that prohibition.   

So...even if there are spreadsheets, who cares?  What Stalions was running does not violate any NCAA rule.  

bo_lives

October 26th, 2023 at 1:58 AM ^

The notion that someone hired an outside firm to dig up dirt on very mundane, gray-area signal deciphering operation is primarily a bad look on the NCAA, not Michigan. The precedent here is messy. Is every program going to start hiring PI firms to spy and hack other programs’ information? This vigilantism is ultimately a much bigger problem for the NCAA than anything Michigan has done. Sign stealing could be essentially nuked by NFL style helmet radios. But if programs are going to come at each other off the field, like what seems to be happening here, the NCAA looks like an impotent dunce. Imo that in itself is reason enough for the NCAA to sheepishly make this go away quietly.

b618

October 26th, 2023 at 2:25 AM ^

This story just gets wilder and wilder.  What a gift to media people.

Michigan accused of "stealing signals".  Sounds bad!

"Stealing signals" isn't prohibited.  Oh.

But maybe got the signals in a prohibited way.  A staffer filmed games!  (Sounds stupid, since you can get most of that though 3rd parties, which is exactly what football programs do all the time.  But OK.)

Turns out the staffer didn't film the games.  He allegedly paid 3rd parties to do it.  That isn't prohibited by literal reading of the rule.  Also, all programs pay 3rd parties for video of opponent games, which they then analyze.

Although the NCAA hasn't finished looking into things, and Michigan is precluded from saying anything, all of this is leaked daily, apparently from the NCAA itself or might be a suspiciously well-informed source.  That is slimy as hell and is identical to smear tactics.

Also, it shows access to a suspicious amount of Michigan inside information -- seemingly prior to any substantial discovery by the NCAA.  How was that obtained?

There are allegations and rumors that a kook with Harbaugh derangement syndrome has maneuvered himself onto the NCAA infractions committee.

We find that someone (who might that be?) hired an investigation firm, which paid for that Michigan inside information, maybe including computer files.

Now we are into the realm of (a) Michigan being accused of a rules infraction (which seems not an infraction by literal reading of the rule) vs. (b) potential felonies by the outside firm and/or their sources.

All during a season where Michigan:
-- Has one of its best teams ever,
-- Looks so far like one of the leaders for the CFP,
-- Has a QB who has a shot at winning the Heisman,
-- And Harbaugh's contract (which was imminent 2 weeks ago) still is not done.

Wow.

We are in an espionage novel.  Or maybe something like the Illuminatus Trilogy.

TheRivalry

October 26th, 2023 at 6:36 AM ^

I've been a diehard Michigan fan for over 30 years. Scandals ALWAYS get uncovered. Why on earth would Harbaugh risk his legacy and that of the University's? I do not care if other schools may also do this. When you cheat like this, you are solidifying to all other coaches and fans that you aren't that good. If all these rumors and leaks are true, his decision to go along with this idiotic scheme will essentially destroy Michigan football for a decade if not more. 

FlaWolverine22

October 26th, 2023 at 6:57 AM ^

Wins aren't getting vacated from this don't buy into the media cancel train. The most likely scenario is a negotiated suspension of one or more staff members and a stop to this method of "sign stealing". What we should be worried about is the rift between Harbaugh and Warde resurfacing and impacting Harbaugh's new contract. 

imdwalrus

October 26th, 2023 at 8:25 AM ^

Anyone on the "it's not that bad" train still is, trying to be charitable, willfully ignorant after what came out yesterday.

We've got detailed itineraries and budgets in a place multiple staffers including coaches had access to. We've got reports of people directly connected to the program doing the scouting, including supposedly Stalions at the MSU/CMU game *this year*. And for all the focus on NCAA rules, the Big Ten could swoop in and discipline the program right away - and if it turns out the currently ongoing season was affected like it appears to be...

I try to be pragmatic, and I'm not seeing a way Michigan escapes severe, program altering punishment at this point.

los barcos

October 26th, 2023 at 8:35 AM ^

Is it possible that this third-party firm is hired by the NCAA to investigate M following the cheeseburger incident? The timing in August would suggest that would make sense, as well as reporting directly to NCAA.

I cannot believe Ryan day would be stupid enough to illegally hack into Michigan computers - that’s a federal crime.

If so, this would be another incredible self own by M, and further reason to never cooperate.

saba182020

October 26th, 2023 at 9:58 AM ^

All this leaks and sources are amazing and super convenient. Which by the way they are all pretty much saying the same thing. Also whoever is leaking all this info had it from day one.  By the way 40 games for $15000 budget for a rich athletic department. That’s very cheap. Anyways it’s just so convinient there’s a spreadsheet titled “(Sign Stealing schedule) Maybe if they said sign stealing Manifesto I would have believed it. 😂😂😂… Anyways if these drive exists and these dudes got access that means CS was setup and he gave access to others( investigators, etc etc. home boi probably thought he was gonna get a promotion  after he shared his work. Hey that’s my 2 cents. I’ll be waiting for the investigation to conclude till then go eat a nothing burger guys. 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

Icehole Woody

October 26th, 2023 at 9:18 AM ^

The NCAA leaks are almost in real time.  Ward needs to chew some NCAA ass today.  Maybe tell the NCAA that cooperation is suspended until they fix the leak problem.

Ed Shuttlesworth

October 26th, 2023 at 9:23 AM ^

Michigan student during the Harbaugh student years with some first-hand knowledge ... he's a low-character fanatic.  Looks like he saw his career and rep going down the tubes a bit in the covid year and was losing a lot of games ... so he cheated.  (Which includes the flat-out lying to the NCAA.)

That's why he did this.  It's no more complicated than that.  

There's a reason no one can stand him.

Michigan is a great school and great athletic program.  It's not dependent on any one guy, much as it seems like it is at times.  I would implore the alums and people with a deeper connection to the school than just being fans of the football team to stay smart and sane about all this and put it all into proper perspective.  We'll survive this.

Ed Shuttlesworth

October 26th, 2023 at 9:30 AM ^

... if Harbaugh winds up lying about his involvement in this and lets a bunch of others take the hit, including young guys in their 20s and 30s, that's even more demonstration of low character.  "Leaders" at quality institutions don't do that kind of thing and it's below the expectations we should have about leaders at Michigan.

saba182020

October 26th, 2023 at 10:41 AM ^

What I would like to know is when was the tickets purchased? For what games. I know they said the last game they played between Ohio and Penn states and some playoff game but what about the rest of the purchases. How many times did they actually record, if they did that is. They have this info so why aren’t they sharing?? Anyways just curious. Still gonna wait for the investigation to be over.  It could be some serious shit, it could be some minor shit or it could be a nothing burger. Time will tell🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

MaizeGVBlue

October 26th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^

if we really want to go all tin foil hat on this, here's my wild conspiracy.

WM has been the sticking point in getting Harbaugh the extension he deserved, and got pissed that Ono had to get involved.  Being petty, WM hired the outside firm and gave them access to dig up dirt that WM can use as justification to not extend Harbaugh and hire a football coach of his choosing.