Uof〽️ Basketball ? #4

Submitted by lebriarjr on November 15th, 2021 at 12:34 PM

Uof〽️ moved up to number 4 in the AP. 

TIMMMAAY

November 15th, 2021 at 12:39 PM ^

Two games in... lots of ball left to play. 

None of the polls matter until January at earliest. Nice to be ranked up there, but means nothing. 

Win the Game(s). 

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JMo

November 15th, 2021 at 12:41 PM ^

AP Top 25


1. Gonzaga (55) 2-0 

2. UCLA (6) 2-0 

3. Kansas 2-0 

4. Michigan 2-0 

5. Villanova 1-1 

6. Purdue 2-0 

7. Duke 3-0 

8. Texas 1-1 

9. Baylor 1-0 

10. Illinois 2-0 

11. Memphis 2-0 

12. Oregon 2-0 

13. Kentucky 1-1 

14. Alabama 2-0 

15. Houston 2-0 

16. Arkansas 2-0 

17. Tennessee 2-0 

18. North Carolina 2-0 

19. Ohio St. 2-0 

20. Maryland 3-0 

21. Auburn 2-0 

22. St. Bonaventure 2-0 

23. UConn 2-0 

24. Florida 2-0 

25. Southern Cal 2-0 

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Hab

November 15th, 2021 at 2:03 PM ^

I'd love to see Aarom Ramsey, personally, but who knows at this point.  It's open warfare against the Toon off the field right now given the sponsorship debate.  If I had my way, the biggest name we would see introduced in January would be at the managing director level, whatever title that goes by these days.  Who do you want to see?

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JMo

November 15th, 2021 at 3:04 PM ^

Agree some sort of "sporting director" (my preferred nomenclature lol) that has experience building up a side, making smart decisions, top talent recognition, and build up an entire development system from scratch. There's was so much neglect under Ashley, it wasn't just that he never signed anyone. The facilities talk now has been staggering.

Here's what I know, I don't want other people's trash. It's been what, a little over a month? I'm so tired of [insert your club's garbage overpaid player here] rumor. 

For my money, its not my money, for their blood money... I think they're going to have to bring in youth and names. In the end, I think the other clubs can fight, but the money will always win. City proved that a couple years ago, rules are just guidelines to be broken.

Crazy wish?  Haaland.  More realistic. I saw Donny Van de Beek mentioned the other day. How about one of my favorite American CBs to shore up that miserable back line?

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aMaizenBlueinNoir

November 15th, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^

I’d love to say, “I’ve never been more excited about the start of the basketball season!”…, but I’ve pretty much been riding this high since Beilein’s 2nd season. With that said, we have been missing out at a run of #1 rankings. Seems like we fight all the way to #1 and immediately lose a game shortly after and lose the ranking. Obviously, rankings don’t really matter all that much other than fun in college basketball, but I hope this year’s edition finds a way to get to #1 and holds it for a few weeks. 
 

Regardless, I’ll be cheering like crazy even if they go through growing pains and drop out of the rankings. This is a great year to be a fan of all Wolverine sports. Congrats on moving up the rankings. Go Blue!

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Blue Vet

November 15th, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^

Go, Blue!

So is Howard at his desk studiously running spread sheets of the almost infinite lineup combinations now available?

OR in his lab, the mad scientist cackling maniacally while brewing up a wild variety of concoctions?

 

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Wally Llama

November 15th, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^

Thanks, OP. Good stuff. While we can all agree that November rankings are interesting but not meaningful, I thought I'd take another step into the interesting but not meaningful abyss of fake rankings. I got wondering which schools have similarly highly ranked teams in the AP basketball and football polls.

Looking at both Top 25 rankings, and including those who are "also receiving votes", I found 15 schools with teams in both polls. Of those, I averaged the ranking in both polls and sorted them in the table below.

No surprise at #1, but I was surprised that there were 15 schools on this list. If you consider only Top 25 teams, the list shortens to only 7, but 28% overlap between the two lists still surprised me.

UM is the only school in both Top 10s, but Baylor and Oregon are knocking on the door of that club.

My guess is that this list will get shorter soon as there are 47 schools receiving votes in the basketball poll. Groupthink will take over soon, knocking some schools off the list.

Hope you enjoyed this useless diversion!

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ex dx dy

November 15th, 2021 at 2:57 PM ^

I'd suggest removing those "receiving votes", because it doesn't technically function like an extension of the top 25: it only includes teams that at least one voter believes is a top 25 team, but no teams that everyone believes is just outside the top 25.

For example, imagine you have 4 voters who believe the top 5 teams are as follows:

V1: Team A, Team B, Team C, Team D, Team E

V2: Team B, Team A, Team C, Team F, Team E

V3: Team A, Team B, Team D, Team C, Team E

V4: Team A, Team C, Team B, Team D, Team E

If these 4 voters were to participate in a Top 4 poll, then the aggregate would look like this:

  1. Team A (15 pts)
  2. Team B (12 pts)
  3. Team C (8 pts)
  4. Team D (4 pts)

Receiving votes: Team F (1 pt)

If the same 4 voters participated in a Top 5 poll, then the aggregate would look like this:

  1. Team A (19 pts)
  2. Team B (16 pts)
  3. Team C (12 pts)
  4. Team D (7 pts)
  5. Team E (4 pts)

Receiving votes: Team F (2 pts)

Thus the consensus is that the 5th best team in the poll is Team E, but you wouldn't know it from the RV section of the 4-team poll.

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Wally Llama

November 15th, 2021 at 4:01 PM ^

Nice point you've made and well illustrated, too. I waffled back and forth about the better way to do this. In the end I included them for one reason: MOAR DATA! Which is terribly unscientific....

I somewhat convinced myself that the effect you eloquently describe above was somewhat mitigated by 60+ voters listing 25 teams, but I may have simply been rationalizing MOAR DATA!.

Regardless, here's the list with just the Top 25 schools included:

Conference breakdown: B1G = 2; SEC = 2; PAC 12 = 1; BIG XII = 1; SWAC/AAC = 1

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ex dx dy

November 15th, 2021 at 5:19 PM ^

I don't think you're wrong that the effect is probably mitigated by the number of voters. It's obviously still possible (in particular if there are teams with highly controversial resumes ranked around #25), but gets less likely with more (and more informed) voters. Still, I've seen others treat the RV section of a poll as a functional extension of the rankings and thought I'd be pedantic and point out that that's not *technically* correct.

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LabattsBleu

November 15th, 2021 at 2:26 PM ^

cool to see... at this point, not worth the paper its written on...

Still its nice to have and certainly is a great pitch to recruits... Traore is really the sole target remaining for the upcoming class.

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nerv

November 15th, 2021 at 5:07 PM ^

I think this years squad has a higher ceiling than last years. Also looking like more depth and a little bit more ability to absorb an injury to a rotation player.

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