Tom Allen Fired at Indiana

Submitted by enlightenedbum on November 26th, 2023 at 9:49 AM

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2023/11/26/tom-allen-fired-as-indiana-hoosiers-football-coach-after-7-seasons-iu-scott-dolson/71658718007/

Allen fired.  IU has 20 million to pay his buyout apparently.  Contract was an overreaction to the fake Covid year and having a Heisman finalist/NFL draft pick at QB (presumably).

Probably mostly meaningless, but figure they might interview Hart.

MaizeBlueA2

November 26th, 2023 at 9:55 AM ^

I've said this before, but at Michigan, we have several disadvantages...but money isn't one of them and money is a way to make up for some of the disadvantages. 

Every Michigan coordinator or assistant coach should be the highest paid coach in the country. That should just be our MO. If the coach is no good, find a new one.

Make Moore and Minter the highest paid coordinators (I know they're close already). Hart should be the highest paid RB coach, Bellamy, WRs...and so on.

Also Moore should get a bonus this season that includes Harbaugh's per game salary. He was the HC for 4 games, pay him as such.

The Oracle 2

November 26th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^

There’s so much denial here about Harbaugh’s situation, when what’s going on is so obvious. He hasn’t signed an extension because he doesn’t want to right now. He doesn’t want to because he wants to return to the NFL and isn’t going to agree to a big buyout that would make that impossible. Maybe, if he’s shut out after this year’s openings are filled, he’ll come to the conclusion  he’s not getting back into the league and sign the deal, but he’s going to take his shot. if he does get an NFL job, I bet he’d at least take Minter and Herbert with him, and maybe others. Michigan football could look very different in 2024.
 

Class of 1817

November 26th, 2023 at 12:27 PM ^

Considering recent events and how conservative our university approaches complex situations…

No, I don’t think he has supreme power to blink an extension into existence. It’s not like that here.

I could be wrong, just as you could be, but nobody can confidently gauge Harbaugh’s interest in either the NFL or the NCAA at this point. To think any other way is idiotic.

Right now, we have 3 games left in the season. That’s where all the focus is going to be.

Class of 1817

November 26th, 2023 at 1:44 PM ^

You…read this, right? And you know what it means?

“…nobody can confidently gauge Harbaugh’s interest in either the NFL or the NCAA at this point. To think any other way is idiotic.”

Just in case your last reply was directly to me, I’m not confidently enough inside The Head of Harbaugh to know what he’s interested in or not…other than winning a national championship.

However, you sound VERY confident in your, like, opinion, man. So good for you and Go Blue!

 

Macenblu

November 26th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^

Sure, you could do that but it still doesn’t offer advancement in job title/responsibilities that most of the guys covet.  I’m sure Moore wants to be a full-time head coach at a place like Michigan, Hart wants to be an OC, etc.  The obvious question for Michigan is what happens with Harbaugh?  Does he want to return to the college game and, if so, for how long?

MGlobules

November 26th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^

I don't want to lose Moore, and I don't think the U does, either. I think Jim is ambitious for his assistants, and wants success for Moore, but it will need to be a top- or close-to-top-tier opportunity with some built-in advantages. Not A&M, for example, where the expectations are irrational, and sometimes worse. You want to get Moore in a place where he can grow and achieve, not where a certain strand of the public will be delighted to pounce at every opportunity.

Team 101

November 26th, 2023 at 9:56 AM ^

Not surprising to me.  The team needed overtime to beat Akron and lost to Staee.  I doubt firing Allen is the solution though.  I never remember Indiana football being better than capable and the world of NIL makes their scenario worse as all Indiana NIL money is going to be spent on basketball and their better football players will portal out in search of NIL.

Don

November 26th, 2023 at 10:08 AM ^

Nobody on the Michigan staff should take the Indiana job for their first head coaching gig. It would be smarter to take a MAC-level job where the conference playing field is more level and the pressure is lower. 

JonnyHintz

November 26th, 2023 at 1:30 PM ^

Problem there is, MAC coaches don’t make much. Coordinator pay at major P5 schools have inflated so much that it doesn’t make much sense to take a low level job. Candle makes just over $1 million at Toledo, the next highest is WMU’s coach at $850k in the MAC. 
 

Moore and Minter make $1.2 million as Michigan’s coordinators. More than any coach in the MAC. Mike Hart makes $550k, which is still more than a good chunk of the coaches in the MAC. 
 

You’d solely be selling these guys on the ability to run their own program in the MAC, when bigger programs will come knocking eventually anyway. 

Brhino

November 26th, 2023 at 10:12 AM ^

Contract was an overreaction to the fake Covid year and having a Heisman finalist/NFL draft pick

 

But enough about Mel Tucker, what's going on at Indiana?

Durham Blue

November 26th, 2023 at 10:12 AM ^

This is good for Michigan.  Tom Allen has been a thorn in our side more years than not.  I think IU is stupid for doing this.  FFS they beat us just a few years ago.  What the hell do the IU regents and AD expect from their football team?

rc90

November 26th, 2023 at 10:25 AM ^

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2023/11/26/indiana-hoosiers-football-tom-allen-fired-iu-coaching-candidates-justin-frye-antwaan-randle-el/71678895007/

The IndyStar has a list of candidates to replace Allen. Mainly a mix of MAC/G5 HCs who might be able to get something a little better than Indiana for the next step, but Justin Frye is an IU alum. Somewhat surprisingly, Steve Alford is not on the list.

The article mentions that Sherrone Moore might have some trouble getting the job because of the ongoing 'scandal' at Michigan. You know it's bull shit and I know it's bull shit and the AD should know it's bull shit, but I can see where it would be tough for a Big Ten AD to sell Moore to his higher-ups after spending a month shrieking like a banshee that Michigan has committed mortal sins.

MGlobules

November 26th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^

I'm okay if the 'ongoing scandal' keeps a couple of our great assistants around for another year, hell yes.

Would like if we preserve as much continuity as possible during the coming transition year, and overachieve as much as possible. For example, OSU has something of a transition coming, too. Let's plan to beat them next year, whether we are at the very top of the polls or not.