Tim Tebow doesn't like the California law, "It changes the dynamic of college sports
Now it's just who has the most money....
If you start paying.... it changes the authenticity of college football...
My jersey was one of the top selling around the world... Kobe, LeBron, and then I was right behind them. And I didn't make a dollar from it. Nor did I want to. Because I knew going into college what it was all about...
It becomes the NFL ...
....people are more passionate about college sports than they are about the NFL. That's why the stadiums are bigger in college than they are in the NFL....
If we start letting them be paid for things it changes the dynamic.....
You know, players are already getting scholarships, which I would suppose could be worth a total of $200,000.00 after four years. So the argument they are being taken advantage of really isn't solid.
And, where is the money going to come from to pay the athletes? The same place all the money in college sports comes from, the fans, the end users. In other words, it's going to come from us. The people making the money now are not going to want to give up any of it to pay the players.
You want the college players to start making money, be careful what you wish for. You will be paying for it.
October 3rd, 2019 at 8:49 PM ^
The fact that he has a different opinion than you doesn’t make him a dipshit and asshole. Just like your opinion, with which some disagree, doesn’t make you a dipshit asshole. It’s a different opinion.
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:04 PM ^
His opinion is completely sanctimonious and ignorant. I’m not saying that because his opinion is different than mine. I’m saying that because he is ignoring the actual issue at hand - that players be entitled to what is theirs - their likeness and whatever profit may come of that. He is a dipshit and an asshole for having this opinion.
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:36 PM ^
Thank you for your hot take.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:24 PM ^
So do lots of athletes who don't have TV crews following around their quests to be bad minor league baseball players after they proved to be bad NFL players.
Martavious Odoms helped bring a community garden to his hometown so that kids would learn better dietary habits and generally brighten up the community. As far as I know, it's still chugging along. Nobody talks about it, but that has a big impact on the people of Pahokee.
The thing with Tebow is he was a great college QB and outwardly religious is the way we as a society seem comfortable trumpeting. You hear about the free medical care his church provided around the world and it's commendable, but then you read it included a lot of preaching and religious ministry and, I don't know, that feels like it cheapens it a bit, at least to me. At least in my upbringing, the point of providing aid is in itself; it's to help people. Not some religious timeshare sales job where you get a cyst removed if you'll listen to this college football player tell you about the greatness of his religion and his savior. Again, your mileage may vary on that, but much of what Tebow does feels like roadshow evangelizing, and personally that doesn't make him any more or less noble or "good" for a community than anyone else.
Tim Tebow seems like a legitimately fine human being. He's probably why Urban Meyer's Florida teams are remembered not as the largely-dysfunctional off-the-field units they were, but as these cohesive teams with a clear leader who displayed high moral character. But a guy who can't see how a system that made billions off his labor should probably share that with people like him doesn't strike me as someone who thinks critically about much of the teachings he espouses.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:54 PM ^
Tim Tebow was in the less than ten percent of athletes that were undervalued while at their school. For the remaining 90 percent it’s a great deal.
As far as the missionary work, I commend anyone trying to share their religion through love and kindness, like providing free medical care, as opposed to hitting someone over the head with scripture.
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:05 PM ^
But he was hitting them over the head with scripture.
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:34 PM ^
Ok cool.
October 4th, 2019 at 4:52 AM ^
But only after obtaining power over them by providing medical care, you know. It's just like how it's a great idea for doctors to date their patients. The context creates a very equal playing field.
October 4th, 2019 at 5:52 AM ^
That’s absurd, but ok. We can agree to disagree I guess. Maybe you could get a crew together and go provide some help to those in need and put the local church of Mosque program out of business.
October 4th, 2019 at 8:59 AM ^
Nobody has said christians can't do good things in the community. But most evangelicals wouldn't do the work if they also couldn't evangelize. I work for a church. I am in a public school every day. And guess what? I don't say one thing about Jesus. I don't invite the students or their families to the church. If they find out I work for a church and ask about times of services, I let them know. It has happened once in the 8 years I've been here. The church has been involved in the school for 10 years in some capacity. And it's gone really well and all the church members agree we do good work without evangelizing.
October 4th, 2019 at 3:02 PM ^
So we don’t agree. That’s all good my friend. Now on to focusing on something that we can both agree upon, Ohio State going to Hell. ?
October 3rd, 2019 at 8:18 PM ^
Man, Tim Tebow just won't let this bone go, he's been on it for weeks now.
October 3rd, 2019 at 8:22 PM ^
I’m fine with college players getting paid. But will bagmen essentially tell kids “come to Michigan and you’ll get paid $400,000 to take a picture with a local car dealer and have it in the office?”
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:01 PM ^
I was wondering why you were getting all the negs. And then I read the part you wrote...
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:08 PM ^
This has already been posted and ranted about, and while it's great to hear your totally original take that college athletes should stop complaining and that you'd like to speak with their manager, probably not worth the effort.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:33 PM ^
This will get out of control. The bagmen will come out of the shadows and straight up guarantee would be college athletes x number signatures at a some rate per signature if they attend the college the bagman represents.
October 4th, 2019 at 4:53 AM ^
What is the problem with that?
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:40 PM ^
I didn’t care what he said when he said it a month ago. I could care even less a month later
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:51 PM ^
The system is definitely broken but I don't think this is the way to go. A delayed, uniform compensation plan based on a percentage of revenue seems more workable at first glance.
A beautiful scenario I've envisioned is the captains of the BCS Championship teams meeting up a few days before the game and agreeing to NOT play unless the NCAA could figure something out. How quickly do you think they would pull a contract out of the back room if this were to happen?
October 4th, 2019 at 4:53 AM ^
I am constantly shocked this doesn't happen.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:55 PM ^
This is the problem with bringing up kids to have blind trust in the people who are currently in charge. Even severe injustice can be perpetuated by nothing more than institutionalized inertia.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:57 PM ^
When they start paying players I will give up my season tickets and turn off the tv. I think if they start paying players (legally ;) it will ruin the game. People root for a university team not particular players, they come and go. The players need the colleges to showcase their talent. This is their chance to be seen by NFL scouts. Quick question....how many of you would go watch any of these players if the NFL had a farm team like minor league baseball? Not me.
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:14 PM ^
Would you feel the same way if they delayed their payment until after they left the school? The more years you play, the more money you get. Could even throw in a graduation bonus.
October 4th, 2019 at 9:24 AM ^
Yeah, there's alot of diehards that will root no matter how good or bad the team is. But in most cases, the teams that are playing well and in the big games consistently make more money. Which is only possible due to the players and the coaches. The coaches get theirs. The players? Not so much.
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:11 PM ^
Why is Tim Tebow's opinion at all pertinent? Beside that, we have no idea today what the final agreement will be before the California law takes effect.
Further, while in the minority of programs which really do allow their athletes to pursue worthwhile degrees and give those athletes all the assistance necessary so that those athletes get such degrees, most programs force their athletes to take worthless classes just so that they can remain eligible. When the careers of the latter athletes are finished (and 95+% do not have professional careers), many have largely worthless degrees. The colleges and the NCAA executives have, on the other hand benefited substantially from the efforts of those athletes.
One example of the latter point: In one XFL game a former Tennesse wide receiver was having a tremendous night. He had approximately 13-15 receptions. The color man on the telecast was none other than Gov. Jesse Ventura. Ventura complemented the XFL for giving the player a chance. But, Ventura then blasted Tennessee by noting that the player's degree had earned him a wonderful job as a school custodian where he worked before being signed to play in the XFL. The player was unable to make the NFL after the XFL folded.
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:13 PM ^
So help me Timmy T, if you keep NCAA 2021 from being a thing, I will find you... *Shakes fist emphatically* I will find you!!
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:42 PM ^
If Stephen Ross starts paying recruits to come play at Michigan and it doesn’t violate NCAA rules...I just can’t understand how I could possibly be against this.
October 4th, 2019 at 12:46 AM ^
Ok... so this whole thing in California doesnt make sense to me. I saw Jalen on get up this morning make a valid point. You can't have players getting compensation and play for a team in the NCAA. It would violate the rules put in place by the NCAA. So unless schools opt out, how will this actually work in California?
October 4th, 2019 at 9:28 AM ^
NCAA could theoretically ban California schools from postseason tournaments, or kick them out all together. But that'd be a bad look for them IMO. Stanford is the most successful athletic department in the country. Also other big brands in USC and UCLA. Plus all the mid major California schools. Still alot of power in one state. And you'd probably still have players going to those schools so they could make money, draining talent from the rest of the NCAA.
Plus, the rule doesn't go into effect for a few years. Which gives other states time to pass similar laws. California, Texas and Florida are the big ones for football. If those three have similar laws passed - NCAA is toast on this issue. They've already backtracked their initial stonewalling. They know they're on the wrong side of the issue. Just a matter of time.
October 4th, 2019 at 1:22 AM ^
The current system is a farce. Allow these players to get paid above the table.
Time for Michigan to make that massive money cannon fully operational.
October 4th, 2019 at 1:31 AM ^
I've never been a fan of paying players and I never will be. I guarantee this is going to open up Pandor's Box in the near future. Stay tuned.
October 4th, 2019 at 7:15 AM ^
I never trust strongly religious people. They are usually whackado. Plus, he's still a virgin.
October 4th, 2019 at 8:42 AM ^
Maybe it’s just me, but I am not even slightly interested in Tim Tebow’s opinion on this issue.
October 4th, 2019 at 8:42 AM ^
What percentage of the scholarship athletes will benefit from this law. UM has over 700 scholarship athletes and I would bet less than 5% will benefit.
October 4th, 2019 at 9:15 AM ^
oh, screw tim tebow sideways.
"because i knew going into college what it was all about..."?
go ahead and find me a non-white, non-privileged kid, recruited to a major university because of his athletic skills, who would ever say this. that HAS ever said this. i'll wait.
no? nobody?
October 4th, 2019 at 10:51 AM ^
Said it the last time this was posted and I'll say it again.
Tebow is entitled to his opinion, just like everyone else in this country is entitled to their's. But look pal, not everyone shares your "give it all to Jesus" mentality.
October 4th, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^
Just to reiterate what has been said a thousand times before....
The California bill DOES NOT require any school to pay its players.
In fact, the bill doesn't require ANYBODY to pay the players. It simply ALLOWS the players to earn money.
Basically, the only thing the bill does is restore an athlete's right to earn money -- just like any other student who is on a scholarship for anything non-athletic. A flute prodigy can earn money giving music lessons....and now a swimming athlete will be able to earn money giving swimming lessons.
Yes, there are going to be unforeseen consequences. But the current system is so complicated, out-of-whack, and unfair that I'm very much in favor of dealing with the unforeseen consequences rather than perpetuating the status quo.
October 4th, 2019 at 6:44 PM ^
Almost there. The law prohibits California schools from preventing student-athletes from earning compensation for the use of their name and likeness. Student-athletes have always had the legal right to earn compensation for the use of their name and likeness.
One particularly problematic aspect of the law is the "official team activities" language in Section 67456(f) of the education code. If this law somehow makes it through the gauntlet of challenges it faces (unlikely), the NCAA will surely interpret that language to its advantage.
October 4th, 2019 at 4:30 PM ^
You folks have changed by mind...
Let's pay players, the NCAA can then place a cap on pay, the SEC and several other teams will still pay "under the table" money, the NCAA won't enforce the cap, ticket prices go up, and I can watch paid college kids play ball, as UofM ball continues to lag behind because we play by the rules, and I'll chuckle at your stupidity because you actually thought 'pay for play' ball would even the playing field!
I'M ALL IN FOR MONEY BALL!
October 4th, 2019 at 6:22 PM ^
Black student-athletes make up about two percent of all student-athletes, but 70 percent of Division I men's basketball and football teams. More than 87 percent of the NCAA's $1.1-billion in revenue is generated directly by men's basketball and football.
In other words -- primarily black people putting in the work; primarily white people reaping the reward.