Tim Tebow doesn't like the California law, "It changes the dynamic of college sports
Now it's just who has the most money....
If you start paying.... it changes the authenticity of college football...
My jersey was one of the top selling around the world... Kobe, LeBron, and then I was right behind them. And I didn't make a dollar from it. Nor did I want to. Because I knew going into college what it was all about...
It becomes the NFL ...
....people are more passionate about college sports than they are about the NFL. That's why the stadiums are bigger in college than they are in the NFL....
If we start letting them be paid for things it changes the dynamic.....
You know, players are already getting scholarships, which I would suppose could be worth a total of $200,000.00 after four years. So the argument they are being taken advantage of really isn't solid.
And, where is the money going to come from to pay the athletes? The same place all the money in college sports comes from, the fans, the end users. In other words, it's going to come from us. The people making the money now are not going to want to give up any of it to pay the players.
You want the college players to start making money, be careful what you wish for. You will be paying for it.
October 3rd, 2019 at 5:38 PM ^
Cool post bro
October 3rd, 2019 at 5:38 PM ^
If only this was posted Sept 13, DAMMIT!
October 3rd, 2019 at 5:38 PM ^
What do you think this is, September!?
October 3rd, 2019 at 5:39 PM ^
If Tim Tebow was a mechanic he’d tried to fix things by smacking them.
October 3rd, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^
I think it's fine, it would just be harder to recruit players away from these states. Sooo hopefully Michigan follows suit
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:20 PM ^
If we paid players...Would Michigan have to pay exponentially more to get players from states that are warmer, compared to the southern schools? Or would there be a cap per scholarship/player? If there is a cap I don't believe that bodies well for UM.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:23 PM ^
Oh I was under the impression that endorsements meant jersey sales, autograph signing, etc. Not necessarily the school paying students a portion of the revenue. I haven't read the bill though
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:39 PM ^
You are correct. It's not about schools paying players, it's about players ability to make money on their own.
October 3rd, 2019 at 5:49 PM ^
Tebow makes some valid points here, have to agree with him.
October 3rd, 2019 at 5:52 PM ^
"my parents didn't throw me birthday parties so my kids aren't going to have them either"
Great logic.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:52 PM ^
I actually work with a guy who says that about college “my parents didn’t pay for mine, so why should I pay for my kids’ “
he has a job that pays $70k and could easily afford to put away a couple hundred a month in a 529 to help. Not to mention his education was roughly 125k and god knows what his kids will be.
October 4th, 2019 at 4:50 AM ^
Next time he says this, you should tell him you can see why his parents don't like him, just for fun.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:00 PM ^
Screw the privileged guy. DB. What really matters is where are the Brendan Rice balls swinging?
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:01 PM ^
Did you hear about Keith Jackson yet?
October 3rd, 2019 at 10:12 PM ^
Tim Tebow is a fine young man. The kind of leader who can help steady the ship in turbulent waters.
But even the greatest leaders have a bit of a stumble every now and then.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:11 PM ^
College baseball is severely under marketed. Would be tough for him to make as much as his teammates made during his time at Florida.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:17 PM ^
Is a general studies degree with a focus on eligibility really worth 200k?
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:36 PM ^
No, actually double that for a 4 year degree...Most estimates I've seen are 100-125K per year...
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:44 PM ^
Do those estimates consider eligibility being the primary goal?
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:50 PM ^
Another question, did they estimate the value of the fake classes athletes took at UNC?
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:24 PM ^
More importantly, how much is OSU saving with Justin Fields' "actually pretty hard" online classes? Can we have our players enroll in "actually pretty hard" online courses too??
/s
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:17 PM ^
God this post is stupid. On OP and Tebow's end.
Sure, some scholarships are worth $200,000. But in-state tuition at a school like OSU is $10,000 per year. That means a guy like Braxton Miller, a multi year starter at QB (including as a true freshman), had a scholarship equivalent of $50,000 after 5 years. How much money do you think Miller brought into OSU in 2013 when he lead his team to an undefeated regular season? Hint: a fuckton more than $50,000. So yes, the idea that college athletes are taken advantage of is still valid.
And where's the money gonna come from? Well if it's endorsements and likeness as the bills currently in discussion have proposed, it'll be coming from...endorsements and personal likeness deals. So a majority of that won't come from my pocket unless I voluntarily do so. And even if it wasn't that, college sports is already a multi billion dollar industry. The consumer is already paying, but the point is to allow the athletes to benefit from it instead of the money going to the pockets of people like Mark Emmert and Jim Delaney.
Also fuck Tim Tebow here. He grew up on a 44 acre farm and his parents rented him an apartment in high school so he could qualify to play HS ball as a homeschooled kid. He didn't need the money, but so many players do. His opinion means jack shit here.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^
He lives in a bubble. Doesn't even understand that some kids may leave college and not have financial success or do much more than what they were able to achieve on the field in college. Not every Michigan player goes on to become Tom Brady or Charles Woodson.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:02 PM ^
What's sad is that he went to school with players like Aaron Hernandez and he doesn't realize how many college athletes come from lesser means. Also it's ridiculous for him to act like his teammates at Gainesville weren't getting paid by boosters.
If players were just playing for the love of their local university, then kids from all over the country wouldn't flock to Tuscaloosa, Alabama to spend 3-5 years of their life. There has to be a major financial incentive for anyone to want to spend 3-5 years of their life in Alabama.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:20 PM ^
Solid coaching and a proven pipeline to the nfl matters. You’d have to be crazy to be an elite OL and choose Michigan over Alabama. Even if Michigan paid and Alabama didn’t.
October 4th, 2019 at 12:12 AM ^
That doesn't count as a major financial incentive?
Also, call me crazy, but if I was an elite OL I would choose Michigan over Alabama. Obviously, I'm clearly biased in that regard, but it's not like we don't send OL to the NFL. We have at least three future NFL players on our OL right now.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^
I've always hated Tebow. I thought my hate was irrational until I read your last paragraph. Turns out he's a pampered twat, raised by pampered twats.
Twat.
October 3rd, 2019 at 8:11 PM ^
'twat did you say?
October 4th, 2019 at 12:42 AM ^
There have been some interesting disconnects on both sides of this argument.
The pro pay player crowd keeps touting how much money is made in college football as justification for why players should be paid. That money isn’t sitting in some giant vault waiting to be distributed. It’s tied up in contracts which are paid to the conferences and schools and as many have pointed out, it will not be the school’s paying the players the money.
The anti pay player crowd sites the death of amateurism but it is true the only amateurs are the student athletes. Everyone else associated with college football is definitely professional.
What doesn’t get talked about is how the players will view this. In the current structure on the surface, all players receive the same basic benefits. A free education with a lot of perks. And many of the best players receive “other” benefits. However, I think the details of these benefits are largely kept private, even from each other.
In a new structure a guy like Braxton Miller may receive a couple hundred thousand to be on TV commercials but his wide receivers, o-lineman and running backs probably won’t. And yet, Braxton Miller wouldn’t have been anything without them. I wonder how those offensive players will start to feel about that. Will it cause schisms on the team and poor chemistry? Don’t know, but many 18-22 year olds are not exactly known for being rational about things like jealousy and envy.
October 4th, 2019 at 8:06 AM ^
Tuition, room and board and full cost of attendance costs more than $50k over 4 years, even at an in-state school.
October 4th, 2019 at 9:05 AM ^
Per their website, cost of attendance for an in-state, incoming Freshman (2019) at OSU is $27,912.
October 4th, 2019 at 11:11 AM ^
But in-state tuition at a school like OSU is $10,000 per year. That means a guy like Braxton Miller, a multi year starter at QB (including as a true freshman), had a scholarship equivalent of $50,000 after 5 years.
I don't have a philosophical problem with athletes profiting from their likeness, but this isn't painting the full picture here. Athletes also get also room and board, plus high-level coaching/training. If you paid for private coaches and trainers to put in that same level of work for 12 months, that would definitely be in the five-figure range annually.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:19 PM ^
There is some pretty basic misunderstanding here. You know how when Ford makes a car, & you don't buy it, that means you're not paying for it? It works the same way if you don't buy a player's autograph or picture.
October 3rd, 2019 at 8:04 PM ^
This is the most useful that rovell has been in his life.
He just moved above tebow in my book.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:39 PM ^
This post changes how I feel about everything, ever.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:43 PM ^
the dude (Tebow) played the game and is certainly entitled to his opinion; I just don't care what it (his opinion) is
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:49 PM ^
Yes, I hope players do get paid because I pay money to watch them - not administrators - play football. If I want Zach Charbonnet's jersey autograph by him, I hope he is directly compensated for giving me one.
It's hilarious to me how schmucks like the OP can't see the cartel the NCAA has set up over the years. According to OP, paying players - the chief resource in collegiate athletics - invalidates teh mythical authenticity of a broken, hypocritical system. But OP makes no mention of coaches making 9 million. Last I checked, Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney or Nick Saban weren't winning championships by taking random scrubs from high school and molding them into elite teams.
October 3rd, 2019 at 6:55 PM ^
HEY EVERYBODY WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!
October 3rd, 2019 at 7:03 PM ^
I think the jury is still out. What’s good for the players isn’t necessarily good for college football or basketball.
I can see shoe companies having even more impact on hoops, where a Zion-like recruit would be offered a multi million dollar shoe contract but only if he signs with a particular school. That would change the dynamic of college athletics and I don’t think that’s necessarily for the best.
The current model has been a great deal for over 90 percent of the participants.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:25 PM ^
It wouldn't change the dynamic. That's literally the current dynamic, hence the FBI probe.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:58 PM ^
Yes, and if the rules were being enforced equally, this wouldn’t be an issue. The NIL will take the sleazy shoe companies and their sleazy agents and put their system on steroids.
October 3rd, 2019 at 7:14 PM ^
Profiting off likeness is fine. Should be that way. He is correct though, if players are flat out paid by the University it is the end of college football.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:00 PM ^
The end of college athletics. Not just football.
October 3rd, 2019 at 9:20 PM ^
I agree that would catastrophic. A bunch of D-I teams would probably have to form a new division that maintains the "amateur" status. Too many schools can barely afford their football programs as it is.
The NIL rights is a nice compromise. It allows the players who have economic value to take advantage of it while not overwhelming the system and threatening the viability of the smaller fish. Plus, it would be ridiculous trying to figure out salary caps, unionization, etc.
October 3rd, 2019 at 7:16 PM ^
So will players transfer a lot more when they pursue more money? Seems like their affiliation with the school will be undermined.
October 3rd, 2019 at 7:21 PM ^
How do you figure? If they're signing multi-year sponsorship deals with local businesses, it gives them LESS incentive to leave, not more. If anything, it will cut the number of transfers from high level talent.
Nothing's gonna stop the Justin Fields of the world who figure out their coach is a dipshit and is playing a vastly inferior player over him from leaving. But the guys who are just sorta kinda unhappy? They're gonna be less likely to leave if they've got money with contractual obligations coming in, instead of handshake bagman deals that they can break with impunity because the whole agreement is hush hush.
October 3rd, 2019 at 7:18 PM ^
If Tim Tebow wasn't a rich dipshit who still had networks and the most idiotic franchise in MLB throwing money at him for jobs he's not qualified for because he was a famous college athlete, he'd sing a different tune.
But he got his, so he don't care about the Denards of the world that didn't get theirs. There's a lot of other stuff I could say about Tebow, but I'm gonna restrain myself.
October 3rd, 2019 at 7:37 PM ^
Hate him all you want but the dude has a big impact on people, and franchises, and communities.
October 3rd, 2019 at 8:38 PM ^
Nothing in that articles contradicts him being a dipshit and an asshole about this topic.