timtebro

January 17th, 2020 at 9:57 AM ^

Twitter timtebro says to "CEASE N DESIST".... Mgoblog timtebro says "People want to imitate a program with continued 9-4 seasons and no championships in sight?"

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chunkums

January 17th, 2020 at 11:18 AM ^

I'm interested to see how Clemson does without him. Before they promoted Scott and recruited Deshaun Watson, Clemson was eerily similar to what Michigan is now. Scott+Watson gave them an offensive boost from very good to great, and then they took off after they went to the title.

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Bo Harbaugh

January 17th, 2020 at 1:00 PM ^

Let's be real...

Those that pay will be champions

College football is a farce, UM continues to be the suckers paying for coaches, facilities, branding, etc like the elite, but not embracing full on football factory. All that money and energy for 9-4?  Either go the Bama/OSU route, or accept that we are Wisconsin (just unfortunate we are in a tougher division).  Our delusional fanbase clings to the sanctimony of "doing things the right way" 

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Phaedrus

January 17th, 2020 at 3:37 PM ^

If everyone cheated but us then we would be getting crushed like Northwestern. Large scale, systemic cheating only goes on at a handful of schools and it’s usually pretty obvious who they are.

Yes, I’m sure that minor violations occur everywhere but when it’s an organized system of cheating I think that is rare outside the south. At most universities the thought of allowing the sports team to run things is considered sacrilege.

The people who say “everyone cheats” fail to acknowledge that in a system of ~130 teams that has the same small collection of teams winning each year, only that small handful of teams must be any good at cheating if it’s a common practice.

I wish our fans were more like Wisconsin or Iowa fans who loved the team through the ups and downs rather than demanding nothing short of perfection. 

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thethirdcoast

January 17th, 2020 at 5:09 PM ^

Agreed. I would add that there seems to be an attention to detail and motivational problem at M as well.

The two most glaring examples being the continuing series of flat starts to games and the ongoing confusion about what to do during time-critical situations such as the end of the first half.

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Bo Harbaugh

January 17th, 2020 at 6:20 PM ^

I'm not putting 100% of our lack of elite status on lack of bagmen...but we need to be real about where 5 star recruits are headed and the smoke around those programs.  Bagmen will not guarantee you a championship, but at some point our administration and fanbase need to accept the realities of what it takes to compete at an elite level in modern day college football.

1) Bagmen exist and they steer many, many top recruits to institutions like Bama, OSU, UGA, Clemson, SEC in general.  See comments from Peppers and Rashan or Ole Miss pulling in top 3 classes under Hugh Freeze.

2) Online classes and more "time on task" gives further advantages to football factory schools.  If you don't think the extra 20 hours a week Joe Burrow, Justin Fields and all their talented teammates spend in the sports facility matter, you're not being intellectually honest.

3) You can complain about Harbaugh, coaching decisions, etc all you want, but you need simply to look at recruiting rankings and current NFL rosters to see where these 5* "student athletes" are going - the football factories. 

The "unacceptable" crowd needs to realize that you are asking our coaches to win a Nascar race with a gas tank that's 80% the size of what the competition has.  It's the Jimmie's and Joe's not the X's and O's.  Is our staff perfect, of course not...but give them the same advantages as the elite programs, and I'm sure they manage to win at least 40% of their games against top 10 opponents, not 10%. The margin of error is just so much lower for teams like Michigan, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Washington, etc when facing OSU or Bama rosters with NFL talent at every position on the field.  

The debate on to "football factory" or not "football factory" has fair points on both sides, but let's at first be intellectually honest about the fact that there is indeed a correlation between the elite programs and basically ignoring NCAA "rules"

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scfanblue

January 17th, 2020 at 2:25 PM ^

"Those who stay will witness Harbaugh's exit from Ann Arbor in December 2020" To his credit-he has brought Michigan back to consistent mediocrity were it was before Rich Rod and Hoke. 

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