Sweet jeebus get a grip all of you Michigan "fans"
I honestly can't believe the bile and disgust spewing forth on this site about the extension of Harbaugh. You are all sounding like the most entitled, whiny, spoiled losers I've ever heard. Posters here talk about $10 million like it's pocket change and chastise Warde Manuel and the regents he reports to for having a sense of financial responsibility for not tossing a sum that amounts to generational wealth down the toilet after it has already lost $80 fucking million this year alone and will likely lose something close to it next year. You all act like giving a very reasonable and more than fair contract to a winning coach who has proved himself a huge success everywhere he has gone as akin to getting a prison sentence in super-max with a 350 pound cellmate with syphilis who was convicted of man rape.
Grow. The. Fuck. Up.
This is your team and the school that you supposedly love. It owes you nothing. If you no longer feel a sense of loyalty or desire to invest yourself in its endeavors that is fine. No one is holding your loved ones hostage and threatening them bodily harm on the condition of your fandom. It is fine to feel disappointed when they lose and don't perform up to expectations. But unless you are one of the boosters who paid some obscene amount of money out of your pocket to pay for Harbaugh's salary, or are willing to burn a couple million to buy him out, spare us your garment rending about the injustice of having to watch a football team coached by a very upstanding, dedicated son of the university who has sacrificed, fought and literally bled for this school and program since he was a teenager.
I guarantee that Jim Harbaugh feels every loss of this program 100 times more deeply than any of you. His pride and competitive nature are more deeply wounded by every loss to a rival and every failure of his team than yours are. He has likely put in more hours and endured more physical, psychological, and emotional anguish in service of this school and this program than any one of you petulant, shit-talking, sneering douchebags has for anything in your whole life. He has probably spent more time away from his family, invested more of his passion, blood, sweat, and tears into Michigan football than you could measure—all for your entertainment. So, maybe give that a moments consideration before you vomit forth your disrespectful, ungrateful, smug condemnations over the fact that you've been denied some completely unearned sense of vicarious pride in the accomplishment of others.
All of you shitting on Harbaugh for getting an extension and being willing to pour himself into trying to finish what he set out to do in making this program an elite football program are no true fans, and I have no idea why you would torture yourself with the burden of supporting a school and a team of talented young men and dedicated coaches when you feel they are so far beneath you.
January 8th, 2021 at 11:53 PM ^
Stop drinking and go to bed
January 8th, 2021 at 11:56 PM ^
Sober as a judge.
January 9th, 2021 at 12:16 AM ^
Is that more or less sober than a preacher?
January 9th, 2021 at 1:44 AM ^
Judge Jeanine is thing so definitely less sober
January 9th, 2021 at 10:08 AM ^
We're talking real judges.
January 9th, 2021 at 1:03 PM ^
If you don’t have alcohol to blame this hissyfit on then . . .
January 9th, 2021 at 9:43 AM ^
The most limp comeback in the history of the board.
January 9th, 2021 at 10:16 AM ^
And it’s played out
January 9th, 2021 at 9:30 PM ^
And it's wrong. It's quit drinking and go to bed.
January 8th, 2021 at 11:57 PM ^
Thanks, Jim.
January 8th, 2021 at 11:57 PM ^
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in toaster.
January 9th, 2021 at 3:05 AM ^
Sounds worse than when I cooked my foot in a George Foreman grill.
January 9th, 2021 at 5:32 AM ^
Don't try to get it out by sticking a fork in there. You'll just make things worse.
Trust me on this.
January 9th, 2021 at 9:05 AM ^
How could you possibly read all that and the thing that popped in your head was "stick dick in toaster" when OP clearly wanted you to stick it in the ceiling fan... seriously, been hanging here since last night wondering how the hell I'm getting down.
January 9th, 2021 at 7:43 PM ^
Regardless of topic - some of you can really make me laugh. Good one twitch!
January 9th, 2021 at 12:00 AM ^
Username checks out
January 9th, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^
I bet he gives a mean sermon.
January 9th, 2021 at 12:01 AM ^
Weird fuckin post
January 9th, 2021 at 12:18 AM ^
Well played. +1
January 9th, 2021 at 12:21 AM ^
Cannot stop laughing at this for whatever reason
January 9th, 2021 at 6:02 PM ^
I haven't seen this in 4ever. Nice.
January 9th, 2021 at 12:04 AM ^
Lecture the board, always a great way to bring clarity.
January 9th, 2021 at 12:06 AM ^
"trying to finish what he set out to do"
Our roster is worse than it was when he got there. Our coaches are worse than the ones he started with here. The teams we play annually are better than they were when we got here
He isn't finishing shit, he's starting over from square one. Six years of time and everything around him has UNDENIABLY gotten worse. Who's to blame for that?
January 9th, 2021 at 12:47 AM ^
According to the preacher, you. This is perhaps the most off the rails rant I’ve ever read.
January 9th, 2021 at 1:05 AM ^
Actually our roster isn't "worse":
Team Talent Composite '16:
TTC '20:
Almost a full point better.
January 9th, 2021 at 1:20 AM ^
Those five stars are presumably JJ and Dax. While the 2016 five star is Jabrill
Do you think it's honestly fair to say those two players are worth twice the weight of Jabrill Peppers? JJ probably won't start next year. Dax is fine, and that's the biggest compliment I can give him. If we have more talent than we did 5 years ago, why are we winning 1/5 as many games as we did before?
January 9th, 2021 at 1:23 AM ^
Well, partly because of covid, we played less games.
January 9th, 2021 at 8:20 AM ^
Thank god we played fewer games - having lost 4 of the 6 we did play. The only game left that was plausibly winnable was Maryland - but they could score the ball. I'm pretty sure we would've lost that game, too. So, because we played fewer games, the 2-4 record we finished with is better than the probably record of 2-7, had we completed the entire season.
Yay... Harbaugh returns for more...
::waves tiny flag::
January 10th, 2021 at 8:27 AM ^
I mean we had injuries (Paye, Hutchinson, Mayfield) and opt-outs (Collins, Thomas) ... But I guess teams can / should automatically recover from things like losing 5+ of your best players right before or during a season with additional restrictions due to a pandemic. Give me a break.
January 9th, 2021 at 1:58 AM ^
Peppers correct, Hinton and Dax tho. If they're around next year with JJ and Edwards that's four.
But 5* aren't as relevant to the highlighted portion which is average points for 85 commits.
Basically it means the median average of UofMs recruits is now around #350 when before it was #430
."If we have more talent than we did 5 years ago, why are we winning 1/5 as many games as we did before?"
I'll just scoff at the "1/5 thing", way to try to use covid to try to win an internet argument, congrats.
You probably should be asking the relevant question, why didn't Hoke's recruits win in "13/'14?
The talent in '16 was seniors and juniors who had been through the Hoke shit storm and were motivated because they had made trough the tough times, then they stayed; and as a bonus 11 got drafted in '17.
The talent we have today are mostly freshman and sophomores, since most of Partridges commits are either in the NDL or in the transfer portal and just like Hoke's players in '13/'14 talented but don't know how to win.
But the good news is their shitstorm came early and hard, so they should be ready to go.
January 9th, 2021 at 8:18 AM ^
“But the good news is their shitstorm came early and hard, so they should be ready to go.”
Such an undervalued point. Nice job!
January 9th, 2021 at 9:48 AM ^
Yes. Jabrill was solid but not spectacular. His biggest play was against Rutgers. He did nothing against OSU. Nothing.
I wrote that as a Peppers fans. He wasn’t very hood at coverage. He could tackle on screens. Hudson had arguably a better year at viper in his first one replacing JP.
On the other hand, Dax hasn’t done much, but this season was a wash.
As for JJ—not only did he recruit well, he’s a QB. He hasn’t stepped foot into a UM practice huddle, so it is ludicrous to claim his impact is negligible compared to JP.
The last two classes have been filled with high rated recruits, 2020 on defense, 2021 on offense. The o-line is older and has a year to grow from. If JH doesn’t win with these guys, he will be fired.
January 9th, 2021 at 1:40 AM ^
Uh oh, looks like you forgot to mention that we slid down from #8 in TTC to #17 through Harbaugh's tenure. And your facts are wrong.
In 2016, 247 has our TTC at a value of 852.78. https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/
In 2020, 247 has our TTC at a value of 827.18. https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/
We now find ourselves behind world-beaters such as FSU, Tennessee, and the supposed #3 team in the BIG East PSU. But keep bandying claims that only support your narrative.
It's also worth pointing out that these are the talent rankings according to recruiting services. While this point undermines both your and my arguments, I thought I should mention it since everyone can absolutely understand that the 2016 Michigan team was astronomically better than the 2020 Michigan team.
January 9th, 2021 at 2:06 AM ^
This should be deeply disturbing for those thinking Harbaugh will someone turn things around due to the new financial (and reputational) incentives. The programs at or near the top of that list have coaches that are just as good, or better, than we will have. The same with facilities. And, from what we can tell, the same with motivation. It's not looking very realistic.
January 9th, 2021 at 9:53 AM ^
But a hypothetical new coach and bazillions that the u doesn't necessarily have will fix it? Not necessarily.
January 9th, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^
If this is true for Harbaugh, it is equally true for anyone we replaced him with.
January 9th, 2021 at 2:42 PM ^
Fair point.
January 9th, 2021 at 2:44 PM ^
Look closer: the team BELOW UofM had a good year that year.
They also had 88.91 on recruit score average and UofM's 2020 squad was is at 89.17!
January 9th, 2021 at 2:28 AM ^
Actually I didn't forget to mention the #8 and #17, they are right there in my post.
I see Clemson at #9 when we were #8 in '16, hmmm....
Anyway it's the highlighted numbers that are pertinent to his claim that the roster is "worse" and what shows it isn't "worse".
Those two numbers 88.37 and 89.17, are the average of all the players (85 here)
And in '16 UoMs average player was rated 88.37 and in 2020 it was 89.17.
That is a better roster overall; even if it doesn't have as many top 100 guys, it has far less guys from outside the top500.
January 9th, 2021 at 4:01 AM ^
How good the 75th best player on your team is, is in no way, shape, or form as relevant as how good your 25th best player is. I would have thought that was self-evident, but apparently not.
January 9th, 2021 at 6:32 AM ^
Well, that’s certainly true. But it is equally true that your highest ranked recruit may not be the best player on your roster, nor the lowest ranked the worst. So simply because you have marginally more higher ranked recruits in one class than another says nothing about how the recruits in those classes actually sort out in terms of player rankings on the team.
January 9th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^
"Actually I didn't forget to mention the #8 and #17, they are right there in my post."
Well, you did forget to mention it. Your post neither pointed out that those numbers indicated M's TTC ranking for that year, nor did you highlight that value in the screen captures.
"Anyway it's the highlighted numbers that are pertinent to his claim that the roster is "worse" and what shows it isn't "worse".
Those two numbers 88.37 and 89.17, are the average of all the players (85 here)"
Ok, but the average recruiting ranking of every player is only one metric by which to check if a roster is 'better' or 'worse'. Additionally, while your point about M's roster being better from 2016 to 2020 could be based on the average recruit ranking, in my opinion the thing that matters is M's talent composition and average ranking compared to the teams it needs to be competing with.
For instance, in 2020 PSU's TTC ranking is #13 with an average recruit rank of 90.15. We should not have less talent than PSU.
In 2016, OSU's TTC ranking was #5 with an average recruit rank of 90.87. In 2020, they rose to #3 with an average recruit rank of 92.89. OSU's delta is +2.02, whereas M's delta is only +0.8. Over the six years of Harbaugh's tenure we should not have fallen this far behind OSU. Yes, OSU is one of three juggernauts in CFB, but even still, the difference should at least have stayed roughly the same in my opinion.
We can squabble about what the 247 site says is a quality roster or not, or we could actually examine how a roster could be deemed good or bad. Roster construction is just as, if not more important, than what the recruiting rating of each player was.
M's roster has multiple glaring holes along with some unanswered questions.
DL: There are no proven DTs on this team. Hinton and Smith are two highly rated players, one of whom has yet to play up to his ranking and the other of whom has been weirdly absent from the playing field. Carlo Kemp does his best and I think he is a decent player, but he is not built for the DT spot. Of all the other DTs, Jeter, Speight, Newburg, etc. none are or probably will be contributors for the team. The DT position has yet to be addressed in the 2021 class. Now, we sure did have some big names at DE, but of course both Paye and Hutchinson dealt with injuries this year. But even in the games they played, they only played ok. They combined for two sacks across the three games they played together, and in the other game Paye played in he recorded no sacks. I think both of these guys are very good players, but their talent definitely did not show out on the field this season when they were playing.
CB: Most believed this to be our weakest position group prior to the season, and those beliefs were vindicated after the performances in the MSU and Indiana games. Now, Green improved the most and became a pretty decent player, but throughout the season, the secondary was overmatched when trying to play face-up man coverage. Of course, trying to play zone was not successful since Brown does not normally teach/run zone. This group is still unproven, does not have any highly talented corner prospects, and it has hardly been addressed in the 2021 class.
QB: There are major questions here. Now I know JJ is highly rated, and I think he might be very good, but he has yet to play a single down of CFB so we really can't say for certain what he could produce. Our 'knowns' are Milton who seemingly regressed as the season went on and McNamara who only truly played in one game before being injured, and that game was against the Rutger defense. I cannot say this position is in great shape until we see what JJ can do, but until then I remain nervous about our QB prospects.
LB: With McGrone's exit, this position group might be in trouble. Both McGrone and Ross played way down from where they played in previous years, but I was expecting both to be back for next season and to at least return to the form we had previously seen from them. However, now we have a lot of unproven names at LB. We have a couple highly rated recruits who might come in and show out (like McGrone did in 2019), but until that happens you cannot have confidence that this position group is in a steady state.
These position group questions/holes are way more concerning to me than the fact we dropped from #8 in TTC to #17. If we had just one monster DT who could swallow double teams and move with quickness to attack the QB and if we had one fast but technically sound CB who could stick with just about anyone in the country, then that drop from #8 to #17 would not be a concern at all. We would know we were steady at our, currently, two weakest positions.
You can keep trying to make excuses all you want, but the roster is not better from the start of Harbaugh's tenure, it is frankly weaker. I hope that all the players currently on the roster improve. I hope the new players coming in show out and turn into excellent college players. But until that happens, this roster is what it is, mired by holes and questions.
January 9th, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^
Excellent points.
First point about the TTC scores and TTC "rankings":
I personally don't trust those numbers since the "points" awarded jump exponentially, not right in line with recruit score.
i.e. if we add CB Will Johnson(#8) to the 2022 class he increases the "score" for rankings by 27 points.
CB Jaden Gould(#141) 21 more "points", CB Cam Johnson(#308) 17 points,
CB Joshua Thompson(#608) 13 etc...
If they are wrong about which one of the top300 are top 50 and 100 players it throws those "ranks" out.
Player score, the decimal number next to their "stars", (remember Rashan's was 1.0000),
that's the one I trust more and really only when talking overall applied to a class and not as much on a player to player basis.
If it makes any difference most of the "rankings" difference in TTC was caused by quality players leaving after three years, many to the pros, but 5* Aubry "Fuck Michigan" Solomon, McCaffery fading away and Ambry, Nico opting out, that was a lot of top 100 players to lose from the "score".
Plus I bet that .8 improvement isn't too bad if you don't put it next to OSU's absurd jump.
I'm just saying there is an improvement in the quality of the foundation of the roster, let's hope most stay.
As far as the holes in the roster, IMO it's clear Harbaugh knew he wasn't a great recruiter which is why he came up with satellites and sleepovers and singing of the stars and when those antics were gone, he had to hand the main recruiting to somebody and Partridge was the guy. At first, we really had every reason to be impressed but as a lot of his guys now have transferred without contributing much, the shine has worn off for me.
In the end the juniors and seniors that helped make '16 a much better team, were freshman and sophomores in '14.
So the question is how much better can these fresh/sophs be in 2021 if those who peaked in '16 were able to go from 8 wins, 5 wins to 10 wins in both '15 and '16?
January 9th, 2021 at 9:03 AM ^
Yet somehow we look significantly less talent than we did during Harbaugh’s first couple years with Hoke’s players.
January 9th, 2021 at 12:32 PM ^
That's HS recruiting rankings; doesn't mean actual talent. Down the road let's also look at number of players that go to the league.
January 9th, 2021 at 2:37 AM ^
Michigan state is better than they were before harbaugh got here?