Space Coyote on Routes, QB and WRs

Submitted by JMo on November 14th, 2022 at 9:35 PM

Saw this on Twitter, found it to be an especially great read (as always for Space Coyote). Here's a link to the entire thread, I've capped out the part about Michigan.

 

 

RGard

November 15th, 2022 at 11:36 AM ^

Just between me and you, the Fountain of Youth is in Fauquier county, VA and I found it.

Reality...

I was commenting in a bad news post here and it felt really wrong to keep the chimp skull picture.  Not a good look in that case.

Besides...I only changed to the skull picture when you got whacked last year.  I know, it was a futile gesture in protest of you being nuked, but my written displeasure in the Mod action thread was deleted.

 

XM - Mt 1822

November 15th, 2022 at 12:52 PM ^

i feel honored beyond any deserving that you would have avatar'd in protest.  thank you.  that time is long gone now though, and that's a good thing. 

a little surprised you didn't pick that one picture where you are laying around for all to see, if you know what i mean.  king of the jungle, as it were. 

 

JMo

November 14th, 2022 at 9:43 PM ^

It certainly does feel like the playcalling/routes haven't been very forgiving for our downfield passing game. If you watch a team like Tennessee, they go downfield, but they have a whole litany of ways they get there. To me, I feel like our risk-averse approach seems to only really want to make room for low risk/low success deep go routes. 

To be clear, I believe the guys on this team are absolutely capable of executing a well balanced offense. I think they could be benefitted by being put in better positions to succeed. 

All of that to say, his closing statement of "we have to stop treating everything as the worst or the best and nothing in between" couldn't be more poignant. 

clarkiefromcanada

November 14th, 2022 at 11:00 PM ^

If you can run for 4-7 yards pretty much any first down (and the defense knows it's coming) then why pass there? Teams know what Michigan is going to do. Penn State did and they got trucked. Sparty similarly. Nebraska more recently.

Sure you could throw some on first down but there isn't an incentive when you're smashing teams.

mitchewr

November 15th, 2022 at 8:58 AM ^

The argument for passing more even with a dominant rushing attack is and will always be because you need to rep the passing game against real opponents if you have any expectaction of being able to execute against top opponents when the pressure is on.

Last year against Ohio State, we ended up not really needing to pass much. That was fantastic and a dominating win! Great! Love that it worked out last year. Is it really smart to just assume that this year will be a repeat of last year? I would strongly argue "No". It's a different venue, with different teams, and an Ohio State who is still licking their wounds and certainly won't underestimate us this year.

So if I'm in charge, I'd want to be repping my passing game all season. Time on task is how you get good at anything. Even if you know "how" to do something and fully understand the concept, it takes repetition in order to actually get good at executing anything. Now go ahead and crank up the pressure and expectations by playing in a big rivalry game with a trip to the conference championship game on the line and a chance for the playoff, let alone a playoff game itself...and now try to execute. Everything becomes substantially more difficult. And if you haven't done it very much all season, good luck suddenly turning it on when the pressure is sky high.

Devin Garnder has stated this point very clearly on MMQB when talking about the minimal passing from Michigan this season. And he's speaking as someone who's played the QB position here at Michigan and knows what it's like to be in high pressure situations and trying to execute.

It's not about abandoning the run, which we're dominant at...it's about repping the passing game so much in live games throughout the year that when the pressure is on and you do need to pass, you don't have to try and think about executing because it's just second nature.

And call me crazy, but I just don't think it's realistic to expect our rushing attack to dominate all game against teams like Ohio State, Georgia, Tennessee, etc...I'll love it if it does happen, but going into the game just assuming we won't need to pass very much seems like an extremely dangerous assumption to make when the stakes are that high.

To Space Coyote's point, if it's not an issue of QB or WRs being a personnel problem, and it's an Xs & Os problem, then what on earth are the coaches thinking? Outside of the first three games of the season (against cupcakes), our downfield passing attack has been minimal at best, and even then most of the long passes go to TEs and not WRs. Devin has suggested that it's an Xs & Os issue as well as he believes our WRs are extremely talented. If the coaches are working to scheme up better routes, it doesn't seem like it's been very effective thus far unfortunately.

JBLPSYCHED

November 15th, 2022 at 9:23 AM ^

Excellent comment and I mostly agree with you. I would add that on yesterday's MMBQ interview with Sam, DG made an important distinction between our downfield passing game and the rest of our passing game (short and intermediate routes). He said that while our downfield passing game is clearly suffering from lack of reps, among other things, our short and intermediate passing game is generally working well.

He went on to say that in the past several games when it was obvious we could pave the other team on the ground, he thought Michigan's priority was to work on continuing to diversify our ground attack rather than rep the short and intermediate passing game. He explicitly stated that he thinks OSU will be seriously challenged to defend our ground game, not just because of our OL and how great Corum is but also because of it's complexity.

In terms of the downfield passing game he made the point that each receiver seems to run their Go routes slightly differently, for whatever reason, and that makes it even harder for JJ to complete those passes.

I think the interview is well worth listening to (or watching) because many of us have these concerns about the Michigan passing game as we approach OSU and a potential CFP game beyond that.

Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjXR-WxLfhQ

Koop

November 15th, 2022 at 9:40 AM ^

This 100%.

People need to appreciate a bit more nuance in the passing game. There's a difference between having difficulty with deep shots and having difficulty passing.

JJ McCarthy is completing roughly 70% of his passes, which is on track to be the Michigan all-time record. All-time. Record. Meaning, no one at Michigan has ever been more accurate. No one. Ever.

But, Michigan is roughly 0-8 on deep passes this season, which is the outlier. In the past two games, Michigan didn't attempt many intermediate throws (really, none against Nebraska), at which Luke Schoonmaker excels, in part because Michigan was resting Schoonmaker for much of Rutgers and all of Nebraska. By contrast, Michigan clearly took the opportunity against Rutgers and Nebraska to rep more deep passes, because it could. They didn't connect, and Michigan still went on to win comfortably in both games.

Prior to Schoonmaker's departure--presumably, to get him 100% healthy for The Game--Schoonmaker was the team's second-leading pass-catcher with 30 receptions for 315 yards and 2 TDs on a long of 31 yards, i.e., nothing deeper than intermediate.

So: JJ McCarthy is Michigan's all-time most accurate passer. To repeat--all-time. Most accurate.

But, for reasons that many have speculated and JJ himself has addressed, many times, JJ and the receivers have not connected in games on deep shots.

Nice to have? Yes. Necessary? Michigan is #5 nationally in scoring offense. So--no.

TrueBlue2003

November 15th, 2022 at 1:30 AM ^

For most of the year we did really well with this (Iowa, IU, PSU) to the point where it seemed like JJ was just locking into Schoonmaker and not taking enough shots (after missing some deep balls in the non-conf).

Really only in the last two games we've taken a couple deep shots on 1st down such that we've been in 2nd and 10.  I would venture to say we have one of the highest success rates on 1st down in the country (defined by S&P+ as getting half the necessary yards for a first down).

AlbanyBlue

November 14th, 2022 at 10:10 PM ^

Good points here, by one of the best commenters I've run across on MGoBlog.

I agree with JMo in that our passing game is fundamentally low risk, befitting our coach. Deep shots (on which I think JJ is most certainly coached to throw long), sideline routes, out routes, and then safe throws and checkdowns. Not a great deal in the middle of the field, especially longer than 10 yards. We had the "hole shot" throw against Iowa, the intermediate in-breaker to Bell against MSU, the first throw of the one game to Bell, and maybe a couple others, and that's basically it for the conference schedule.

But with our running game? That might just get us a win this year in Columbus. And that would be a great thing. Michigan running the ball in 2022 is a thing of beauty. It could be the best Michigan rush offense I've ever seen, or at least up there with Biakabutuka et al.

NotADuck

November 15th, 2022 at 1:21 AM ^

The Indiana one was kind of/sort of a fluke as well but the defender made a great play on a somewhat poor decision from JJ.  Ronnie was covered by a linebacker so JJ thought he had an easy TD but the linebacker covered it extremely well and deflected the ball.  The safety behind the play had the ball land right in his lap.

In retrospect you'd like to see JJ come off that read after seeing the linebacker (surprisingly) cover Ronnie completely, but one can also understand JJ's belief that Ronnie wins the route eventually.

Hensons Mobile…

November 14th, 2022 at 10:34 PM ^

No doubt people speak in extremes, but IMO I haven't really seen many (any?) saying JJ is "the worst" or that the WRs are "the worst."

Both have underachieved from our preseason expectations. We want to know why.

steve sharik

November 14th, 2022 at 10:51 PM ^

I think the practice time point is the most salient. There's only so much you can rep enough to get good at. Think: how many teams can pound the rock and have an excellent drop back passing game? It's very, very rare and when you can find them, you'll likely find experienced players with an NFL future all over the offense.

Dean Pelton

November 14th, 2022 at 11:08 PM ^

To my untrained eye things just seemed different last season. Michigan obviously ran the ball a lot but there seemed to be a better mix in the play calling and there were times when receivers were wide open for big plays. This season reminds me more of 2018 with the “body blows.” This is definitely a different team overall and there is no Don Brown, but the offense this season reminds me of a service academy. Long drives that drain the clock and make each possession more important. Works great if you are ahead or within one score. Just hope the OSU game doesn’t turn into a track meet. 

ak47

November 14th, 2022 at 11:24 PM ^

Repping the run game to the extent we do has opportunity costs that limit the creativeness of our passing game. Like if your wide receivers blocking are a part of the run game that makes it really hard to stack wide receivers without tipping pass.

So you combine a very vanilla passing game with a set of receivers who are solid but very clearly not elite or stars and aren’t generally just going to win one on one consistently and this is what you get. 

getsome

November 15th, 2022 at 12:06 AM ^

true, also they mostly use formations (and movement) to gain angles in run game with pass game secondary concern.  its worked well so far.  however theyll need some big throws to beat the best, highest scoring teams on schedule.  its possible but very tough to win rings without balance

TheJuiceman

November 15th, 2022 at 5:23 AM ^

Good stuff. I'd just offer the obvious take that when you only throw certain routes to certain guys,  it makes it easier to scheme for them, even with lesser guys.

For example, if I almost only throw 9s to a "fast guy" then guess what? When he's in the game they'll probably be playing off, and/or will have safety help. Also, we're really doing Henning a disservice with the lack of creativity in playcalling and design. He requires almost a special package to maximize his abilities and no that's not asking too much. It's their damn job. 

Also, why are we allergic to simple drag routes (to our best athletes) with a whip counter? Like 2016 OSU infamously did to us. Bubbles? Empty sets with rubs and the like? Double slants? These are other ways you can get behind the defense because youre putting the safeties in conflict. Especially since we already overuse the TE. They're also easy passes for a young QB.  Just because someone is fast doesn't mean they can only catch bombs. Or even that it's their best route. 

Running the rock isnt the only way to put safeties, and even corners in conflict.  Part of the reason no one's emerging is our utter lack of creativity in play calling in the passing game. It's easy to scheme for, while our run game is basically impossible to scheme for. Unless you're a loaded SEC team. 

I really dig that Harbs has this thing rolling like we thought he would, but imo to get to that next level, he's going to have to have plays and packages for those games when we're not simply the better team, ie. Georgia where we were (are?) 100% physically outmatched. Bludgeonball probably won't work then. 

We can get away with it in the B1G, but we are not very good at getting our WRs open and the ball in their hands despite having multiple studs there. Am i clear on that part? 😅😅Hopefully that changes next year after Blake leaves or this could become a "thing." 

NeverPunt

November 15th, 2022 at 8:04 AM ^

I think they build the offense around the playmakers. Who are the biggest playmakers this year? Corum, Bell, and the TEs. So we run the ball and throw the intermediate shit that Ronnie and All/Schoonie are good for. Those are the guys who can get it done every game, and they rep all that extensively. Next year I think we still run the ball a lot but Edwards as the main guy in the backfield, I think you will see him running, catching screens, lining up as a wideout and probably throwing a few passes on trick plays. Hopefully Roman takes the next step and one of the young WRs emerges, but the TE group will be strong again.  This isn’t a system offense like spread and shred where you just recruit talent and drop them in. It’s a difficult to prepare for, complex run game with a qb run attached and the pass elements just make it harder. but I believe they design they offense around their best playmakers and tweak playclaling from there. Ronnie will end up with 50 catches this year. The TEs have been rampant and Corum is a Hesimam finalist. Let’s see what they cook up next year

JacquesStrappe

November 15th, 2022 at 5:56 PM ^

^This. If we get as far as the playoffs this year and run into Georgia again, our current approach will probably not work. This is not a revelation. We have seen this before.

I keep beating this dead horse but I will do it again. Bo used the Harbs strategy every time he went to the Rose Bowl and was not exceptionally successful. How did he do? 2-8. Against top notch competition this style does not work consistently. Neither does the Air Raid. Balance does work. Why we keep making the assumption that we will be the exception that breaks the trend is why we also have a sub-.500 bowl record and one national title in the last 70 years.  To take the next step we have to have the courage to go out of our comfort zone and turn our weakness not necessarily into strength but at least into a competency.

Grampy

November 15th, 2022 at 5:55 AM ^

We are all people.  As such, we tend to simplify others and their actions to fit the patterns of behaviors and outcomes we expect.  I believe that's the underlying point the Coyote is making, that, and the notion that the coaching staff could look at using simpler routes and throws for the offense.  

As an aside, I wonder if the Space Coyote talks to himself in the voice of Johnny Cash when he's composing internet stuff.

bighouseinmate

November 15th, 2022 at 9:40 AM ^

But is it really a problem? I mean, sure, when you look at Michigan’s passing game compared to other teams, or when you compare it to what we, the fans expect or desire of it. But considering the state of the run game, which I will say is very much NOT a mirage (like the later d Brown defenses were), the passing game doesn’t need to be lights out like osu’s or Tennessee’s. 
 

So far, only one team has shown the ability to slow down Michigan’s rushing attack, and they had to go so unsound in their secondary to do it that JJ had a 300+ yd game. Never mind about the talent gaps between them and OSU. I doubt OSU, if they choose to play Michigan like PSU, Iowa, or state did, would find much success stopping Michigan. Or, if they shift to stopping it like Indiana did, the passing game will open up to more wide open wrs. 

Eng1980

November 15th, 2022 at 7:04 AM ^

Devin Gardner says there are simple additions/wrinkles to the routes they are running much like Space Cayotes suggests that will be available for the OSU game.

This blog has pointed out in the past, 1997, that Harbaugh does make adjustments to the passing game for OSU but just not the pepcat (probably because Peppers does not have the touch required to make the required pass.)

I will leave it to the route experts to help me out, but I can hope. 

gbdub

November 15th, 2022 at 7:53 AM ^

One thing that’s easy to miss if you only watch ESPN highlights at half time: lots of college QBs miss lots of deep shots, and often by a lot. Even really good ones (5 star Quinn Ewers was sailing everything over Xavier Worthy in a game I watched). So I think our fan-brain threshold for “good” is warped by the highlight reel effect. 

Now that said the Michigan deep passing game has not been statistically “good” - it’s below average. But it’s a small sample size thing, especially for a team that like to grind out long possessions and limit opponent touches like Michigan. And also an issue of small errors - JJ isn’t missing by much, sometimes receivers make a slightly bad adjustment, etc. So the difference between a good deep passing game and what we have is really just a handful of completed throws, maybe one or two per game. It may not be something that needs wholesale rework, just a little calibration and extra practice time.

nowicki2005

November 15th, 2022 at 8:52 AM ^

I still think it is a harbaugh product offense. We threw deep well with rich rod, we did with Hoke, and it has stopped with Harbaugh.

 

I'm not sure what his Stanford teams did as fat as throwing deep. 

bcnihao

November 15th, 2022 at 9:55 AM ^

RichRod's offense went comatose after the first drive, whenever faced with a good defense.  Let's not go back to that.

The most successful deep passes I remember under Hoke were underthrows to Hemingway.  Nice results, but risky against good coverage.  And maybe not sustainable.  Remember how the Sugar Bowl TD pass was *almost* picked off by the VT defender?

Harbaugh's offense did fine with deep throws to Chesson and Darboh.  Back when Fisch was OC.  

dcmaizeandblue

November 15th, 2022 at 9:06 AM ^

Look I don’t want to beat a dead horse but Shea just didn’t play well in 2019 or even to the “perfectly fine” level. A perfectly fine QB beats Alabama in that bowl game sorry.