So NOW who do you think will leave/come back?
Obviously this has been much discussed, but now that we have a more complete picture (with an unsatisfying end to the season), who do you think we will get back from this team? I’d guess Dickinson, Johns Jr., Eli Brooks, and the young guys you’d expect to stay (Zeb, Williams, etc.). I think Livers, Davis, and Smith are gone.
What do you think?
Eisley was the one I was afraid was going to leave for BC since it's his alma mater, but for some reason they didn't even interview him? Crazy.
Wagner demonstrated that though his game can translate to the pros, he simply isn't ready. Disappearing and inconsistent offense is a recipe for struggle. Yes the money, I would think he would greatly improve his payday by staying a year
March 31st, 2021 at 10:29 AM ^
The same argument applies to Scottie Barnes, but the NBA doesn't evaluate solely on last game performance in the NCAA tournament.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:51 AM ^
Yeah, after Jordan Poole was drafted in the first round, I won't claim to understand how the NBA evaluates talent, but I can see why an NBA team would want to make a commitment to Wagner. He's got some physical talent that's a couple of standard deviations from the mean.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:16 AM ^
Wagner's biggest struggle is his 3pt shooting. This is something he should be able to practice and improve once he gets to the league. Robinson certainly got much better and more consistent in the NBA.
Wagner is not ready for the NBA, so he should be back. Hunter is not ready as well and should be back. I suppose those with eligibility should be back.
I agree, but i don't see Franz coming back. Hunter will be an absolute beast with another year of Juwan development.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:05 AM ^
If Wagner heads for the pros, he will not be a first round pick. If he could work on his shot and get more aggressive going to the rim, I think he could be a much higher draft pick a year from now. But who knows, may be he would like to turn pro?
March 31st, 2021 at 10:14 AM ^
I agree... and someone will jump on this saying "how can playing a year in college be better for development than practicing and playing every day against pros?"
He is way to inconsistent, IMO.... He does have the talent, no doubt, but he needs to get more consistent.... To me, that comes with repetition.... he'll get a lot more playing time at U of M than he will on a NBA bench or in the G league where he won't likely be assured a starting 5 role.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:18 AM ^
If Wagner heads for the pros, he will not be a first round pick
Dude, he'll absolutely be a first-rounder and quite possibly lottery. You're overreacting to this one game.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:56 AM ^
Currently two of the three mocks I just looked at had Franz in top 15 picks in round one.
Jordan Poole and DJ Wilson were 1st rounder. Wagner will be too.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:03 AM ^
1- Brooks / Collins 30/10
2- Zeb or Bufkin 20/20
3- Houstan / Williams 30/10
4- Johns / Diabate 28/12
5- Dickinson / Diabate 28/12
March 31st, 2021 at 10:04 AM ^
I think Collins has to play more...especially if Brooks is your starting PG.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:59 AM ^
LOL. If Collins only plays 10 mins and Bufkin 20, good luck ever getting another McDonalds All American to come here. Those guys will be playing 25-30 mins a game each. Otherwise they will transfer.
March 31st, 2021 at 12:40 PM ^
People are downvoting you? Shows the level of basketball knowledge floating around these parts.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:07 AM ^
I'll wait to see who comes back.
We know Wagner and Livers are gone.
I can make a strong case for Brown coming back and starting. Especially if Brooks leaves.
Brooks and Smith are both wildcards.
And with the way the season ended and looking at the roster for next year...knowing we're not getting Chet. I would've said NO SHOT Davis returns, but now? I'm not so sure Juwan wouldn't recruit the hell out of him for one more year.
What transfer are you going to get better than Davis for 12 mpg?
March 31st, 2021 at 10:16 AM ^
Diabate will play back up C and PF. He will need minutes.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^
Jack Nunge just entered the portal...
March 31st, 2021 at 10:15 AM ^
I''m being greedy and hoping Wagner comes back for another year. He needs another shot other then the swooping layup. Going back to the OSU game he shot 4-23 from three. That is not going to cut it in the NBA. He has the NBA body and NBA mind. He just does not have a NBA shot. The NBA three is another step back.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:58 AM ^
I didn't expect Mo to come back for his junior year.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:16 AM ^
If Brown played more minutes last night we wouldn't be having this conversation today.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:29 AM ^
(seated in director's chair across from John U. Bacon) After weighing all of my options, I have decided to return for my 20th senior season.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:44 AM ^
Found Robbie Hummel’s account, y’all!
March 31st, 2021 at 10:41 AM ^
I realize this won’t be the popular opinion, but I wouldn’t expect any of the seniors to come back.
Livers is guaranteed to move on and go pro, and he will likely be drafted in the second round of the NBA draft. I wouldn’t expect Davis back, this would be his sixth year of school and it’s probably just his time to move on and start a new chapter in life. Smith and Brooks are probably similar situations to Davis, though they may find some professional basketball opportunities overseas, don’t expect either guy to come back. Brown is also unlikely to return, the guy might be able to find his way onto an NBA roster through the G League. If I had to pick one guy to come back out of these five, give me Chaundee Brown.
The only underclassmen we shouldn’t expect to see come back is Franz. Franz is not likely to return, and in all honesty he really shouldn’t. He will be a first round pick in the NBA draft, the performance last night doesn’t change that reality. I would hope Howard encourages him to be smart and go get that money.
BJJ is an interesting case. With the incoming freshmen class, especially Moussa Diabate, he may consider transferring, but I think we will see him in a Michigan uniform next year. I hope this breakout performance in the tournament gives him the confidence boost to be a great starting player next year.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^
I think Johns is the only reliable upperclassman who is coming back next year. There will be a role for him no matter what and I think he proved in the tourney that he is more than ready for it.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:49 AM ^
I'll preface this by saying this is a wish list, and also assuming Livers is definitely going to the NBA. I would like to see Brookes, Brown and Wagner come back. I know Wagner is good enough to go to the NBA but think he needs to become more consistent. Brookes to help groom Collins, and Chaundee and Wagner for shooting and helping pass along the defensive mentality and culture to the incoming class.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:00 AM ^
Be careful what you wish for. Brooks/Brown/Wagner all returning would most likely mean mass transfers in 2022. Top 50 players don't come to a school to ride the bench.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:49 AM ^
Color me crazy, but I think Mr. Livers has has enough of the NCAA.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:59 AM ^
With his injury history he needs to make some bank before he gets hurt further.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:56 AM ^
I think only Chaundee comes back. And they need to get Fatts Russell from RI, badly.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:59 AM ^
You can think that all you want, but it sounds very unlikely he wants another year in school. So don’t get your hopes up.
March 31st, 2021 at 10:59 AM ^
I hope one of Brooks or Smith comes back as this team really needs a point guard.
Franz is gone i think to the draft; I'd love him to stay, but he's going to be a top 20 pick, even with that dud of a game.
'Ready' has nothing to do with it: the NBA drafts on potential, way more than the NFL does.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:20 AM ^
If we can get Marcus Carr, I’d be thrilled..
March 31st, 2021 at 11:29 AM ^
I am thinking the following are leaving:
Livers
Smith
Brown
Wagner
Brooks
Davis
That's 6 out of 8 rotation players. I like the recruiting class coming in and the players coming back(curious to see how Jackson, Williams, and Howard develop this offseason) and there's always a chance Michigan rolls a seven on a grad transfer again(Fatts Russel from Rhode Island, Xavier Johnson from Pittsburgh, Marreon Jackson from Toledo, and Marcus Carr are the ones I like the best in terms of opportunity and position), but that is a LOT of minutes to replace. Hoping this team starts out rough and then figures it out and gets hot for the tourney. Going to be a roller coaster of a year next season. Love the program Howard is building, but next year is probably the transition cost year in terms of having very little experience.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:43 AM ^
Howard came in and took over Belein's roster and made it work despite that team having lost Iggy, Matthew's, and Poole. The next year we lost Teske and Simpson to graduation and Dejulius and Castleton to transfer. We lost out on two 5 stars on signing day. Howard once again made it work with an ivy league transfer and a freshman center/Austin Davis. I'm trusting in Coach Howard until he shows me he can't make it work.
March 31st, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^
Where did I say I wasn't trusting in him?
I'm just saying we should expect next year to have a rough start and a roaring finish. Still have faith, but there are a LOT of unknowns.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:30 AM ^
I don't think we see any of the seniors or Wagner come back. They have accomplished almost everything they can at this level short of a national title.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:31 AM ^
Obviously any of them could come back and I would be happy with that. With that said, the only one that I personally want to come back is Brown. This is assuming that Franz and Livers are gone. We have a hole at the 2/3. We also could use his minutes, defense, leadership and shooting for next year. I’m kind of tired of seeing 6’2+ shooting guards shooting over ours and having career nights. I think we need an infusion of size, quickness and scoring ability. I’m not trying to knock anyone on the roster but every other team we played this year had backcourt size over us. If Chaundee doesn’t want to come back, I’d like to get a top 100 sg or cg out of the portal, preferably one with an outside shot. I’m thinking how Gonzaga paired Nemhard with Suggs for example. I honestly don’t know who is going to provide outside shooting next year based on the projected roster other than Houstan. Williams and Zeb haven’t shown a great stroke as of now. Apparently Diabate is a work in progress for outside shooting. Johns can shoot it but I like his inside play and driving more and he’s not going to be a 40% outside shooter I don’t think. Don’t know about Bufkin but Collins isn’t a shooter. To open up for Hunter inside we need to be able to space the floor. Barnes may be developing a stroke this year but haven’t heard specifically. If Brooks comes back I’d like him at point and let Zeb and Bufkin have the 2. Frankie can back up Brooks. No more 6 foot tall two guards. Despite Franz struggles, our best lineup last night was Brooks, Brown, Franz, Johns and Dickinson (arguably Davis).
March 31st, 2021 at 11:44 AM ^
I know Bufkin is a really great shot creator but I agree if Brown doesn’t come back they need to pick up a big time shooter in the portal
March 31st, 2021 at 11:50 AM ^
I’m looking at the outside shooting we are most likely losing with Livers, Franz, Brown and Brooks. That’s a lot to replace. I think we are getting bigger and more athletic but I’m not sure I’m seeing the shooting.
March 31st, 2021 at 11:42 AM ^
out of smith, brooks, brown I would be very happy if either brooks or brown came back. I don’t hate smith but would love for zeb or the incoming freshman pg to start and get some minutes
March 31st, 2021 at 12:14 PM ^
All I know is there will be some post in the next few weeks where we're asking ourselves why X person from this team left when Izzo finds a way yet again to bring back 1-2 players from this year's team who have no business staying in EL.
The Stockholm Syndrome is real.
March 31st, 2021 at 12:26 PM ^
Dickinson is the one I worry about the most in the "Oh, God, not again!" scenario.
March 31st, 2021 at 12:56 PM ^
Did you really just leave Wagner out of the original post?
Smith's size puts a hard cap on this team. Kid can shoot, dribble, and make plays. BUT he is too small to consistently hit the roll man and feed the post. He also struggles to defend bigger guards. Collins is a bit bigger and more athletic, plus we have Zeb. I think it would be better to get those guys as much experience as possible rather than having Smith run the O again.
I do hope that the other guys return.
I just hope Johns returns instead of hitting the portal. The Livers injury may be a blessing in disguise as far as Johns future is concerned.