So NOW who do you think will leave/come back?

Submitted by Dan Man on March 31st, 2021 at 8:53 AM

Obviously this has been much discussed, but now that we have a more complete picture (with an unsatisfying end to the season), who do you think we will get back from this team?  I’d guess Dickinson, Johns Jr., Eli Brooks, and the young guys you’d expect to stay (Zeb, Williams, etc.).  I think Livers, Davis, and Smith are gone.  
 

What do you think?

TruBluMich

March 31st, 2021 at 9:02 AM ^

I guess enough players come back that there's a post asking how Howard will give minutes to the Freshman.  What I mean is I wouldn't be shocked at all if everyone but Wagner returns next year, it's REAL hard to move on after a loss like the one last night.

m_go_T

March 31st, 2021 at 11:00 AM ^

I would be pleasantly surprised if he comes back, but not shocked.  Franz definitely needs to get physically stronger and develop more of an alpha mentality.  While he can get stronger in the NBA, if he enters the league as a "soft" European player, he's going to spend years trying to change that narrative in games and at practice.  I think Mo will be the best person to tell him if he should stay or go.  Money won't be an issue, as Mo will for sure get a second contract here very soon.   

BlueKoj

March 31st, 2021 at 11:19 AM ^

The issue for anyone staying in college is how terrible the "college experience" was this year. Mo stayed because he said he loved being in school. No one loved being in school this year. Even if the promise of normality seems more likely next year, it is not guaranteed, and there's no reason to think Franz is in love with being a student at the moment. I doubt any of the basketball reasons make sense for him to stay. I would be surprised if he stayed in school.

BTB grad

March 31st, 2021 at 12:05 PM ^

Juwan will pack his bags for him. Juwan has played in the NBA and benefited greatly because of it. As a top 15 pick on draft boards now, Juwan would talk him out of returning if he's even thinking about it. Look at Livers and his injury. You don't take chance when you've got a 4 year guaranteed contract of at least $10M sitting in front of you.

Michology 101

March 31st, 2021 at 11:31 AM ^

Many people on here are talking about who should come back and how they almost want the whole team to return. 

Though if a lot of these guys came back, they would want their usual minutes, but that might make the in coming freshmen disgruntled. 

High ranked McDonald's All American players don't come to sit on the bench for a long time during their freshman season. 

I mean, there are pros and cons that come with recruiting the #1 basketball class. You're going to have to let some freshmen play a decent amount of minutes and possibly start.

It seems that many people in our fan base might not be ready to accept that notion.

King Tot

March 31st, 2021 at 11:50 AM ^

I don't think any of them come back BUT if they all come back I'd assume it was because they wanted to a national title. If they are willing to give up another year of their lives for a title I imagine they'd also be alright also giving up some minutes to maximize the chance of winning that title.

ypsituckyboy

March 31st, 2021 at 9:03 AM ^

I'd like to see Chaundee come back and play a pivotal role, and obviously if Livers came back that'd be amazing, but that's not gonna happen.

Honestly, life goes on and these guys are 22-23 so if I were their parent(s) I'd tell them to bid adieu and move on. I think for almost all of them it's time to pass the torch. I just hope we can retain the culture that they've helped build.

xgojim

March 31st, 2021 at 11:50 AM ^

I think the players may be less invested in their return than the fans.  Presumably the players see nothing but future and brightness, which may have nothing to do with basketball at M.  If they think that staying improves that, then they will return.  Fans generally can't see past next year and their own interest in the team winning games.  (Speaking for myself, of course!)

Hail to the Vi…

March 31st, 2021 at 9:04 AM ^

We're going to just have to wait and see. I don't think anyone has the slightest idea what the 4 year players are going to do with their COVID year eligibility less than 12 hours after a tournament loss.

If you want me to make a wild ass guess; the most likely scenario I think is all of them leave to pursue professional basketball careers or other personal pursuits. 4/5 years in a high-major basketball program is a ton of commitment. I am guessing most of these guys will lean towards pursuing other interests and money making opportunities.

I think Smith would be the most likely to consider a 5th year because he probably maintains the starting job while the young guys learn and probably has the lowest upside in pro leagues.

There is my wild ass, completely uninformed guess.

Catchafire

March 31st, 2021 at 9:26 AM ^

Speak for yourself.  This was a very satisfying season.  We played tough all year.  If anyone told you we would have won the big and make it to the elite 8, and a close final 4, you take that to the bank every time!

HailHail47

March 31st, 2021 at 9:31 AM ^

It’s safe to say that Franz, Livers, and Davis are not likely to come back. There’s always a chance, depending on their motivations, but not very likely. 
 

That leaves us with Dickinson, Smith, Brooks, and Brown. I assume Hunter returns next year. Then it’s probably one of the remaining three. I am not sure we have capacity on the roster for more. 
 


 

 

ChuckieWoodson

March 31st, 2021 at 9:40 AM ^

After Hunter dominated Garza, I figured he might go pro.  In almost every game after that, he generally showed he was a freshman.  Talented as hell of course, but absolutely lacks the consistency and poise (throws his elbows too often) needed to go to the next level.

Of course, I could also have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about.

Michfan777

March 31st, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^

Dickinson would be very smart to come back. He seems like a 3 year guy. Maybe even 4 years. He strikes me as the typical great NCAA player who will never be a big time NBA prospect probably. And that is totally fine.

Wagner is said to be a mid to late first kind of guy, with some saying he’s a lottery pick. I just dont see it - even before his game last night. Him coming back and continuing to evolve his game would be good to see, though it’s hard to turn down NBA money for sure.

Chundee, Smith, Brooks, and Livers would be awesome to see come back. None except Livers (prob a mid 2nd rounder) are probably going to see minutes in the NBA, and I’d like to think playing high level college basketball on a potentially special team next year is more alluring than playing overseas (for meh money) or a boring real world job. However, they are probably all leaving.

Jimmyisgod

March 31st, 2021 at 9:37 AM ^

Livers, Davis, and Brown are one.

Smith and Brooks are 50-50, 1 of them comes back.

Dickinson returns for 1 more season.  Anyone have a scholarship chart handy?

A Lot of Milk

March 31st, 2021 at 9:46 AM ^

12 of 13 scholarships in use this year

Livers

Franz

Smith

Eli

Dickinson

Chaundee

Davis 

Johns

Williams

Zeb

Nunez 

Jace 

6 players are signed to our next class

Livers, Smith, Brooks, Chaundee, and Davis could all come back without counting against the scholarship limit. Why this luxury was extended to the class that played a full season and not the class that didn't get to play any postseason games is beyond me

 

A Lot of Milk

March 31st, 2021 at 9:39 AM ^

I'm not going to speculate since it's a circumstance like no other with covid, so who knows what will happen. But Nunez needs to be given a handshake. Can't spend a scholarship for four years on a bench mob guy. I appreciate his contribution to the team, but that's not a good use of a limited quantity of scholarships. Having Jace on scholarship is strange too since Juwan could easily foot the bill and give his team an extra scholarship to work with

The program is getting more talented and there needs to be sufficient room for the talent to play and develop

SysMark

March 31st, 2021 at 9:46 AM ^

Tough loss but I wouldn't call this unstatisfying...it actually was a great season.

Wagner could obviously do better with his 3-point shooting.  Don't know if that would be enough to bring him back.  I'd love to see him for one more year.