So Do We Play TCU No Matter What?

Submitted by Steve Breaston… on December 3rd, 2022 at 12:48 AM

Assume with USC’s loss, OSU is in at four. A Michigan win and a TCU loss likely doesn’t drop TCU behind OSU given their SOS this season. A Michigan loss and a TCU win means they flip flop, as they likely wouldn’t pair OSU against Michigan in the semis (the rematch in the championship is a tv ratings dream). Both teams lose and I think they stay put, with OSU sliding in at four.

Jack Herer is telling my brain that this makes sense, but tell me what I’m missing.

Brhino

December 3rd, 2022 at 12:58 AM ^

Any honest Michigan OR OSU fan should be terrified with a rematch.  If it happens, someone is going to experience a pain that has never been felt in the entire history of the rivalry.

If OSU loses, it's going to be the first time they've ever lost to us twice in one season.  Can you imagine?

If we lose, it's going to be the first time our amazing season ending championship/playoff clinching victory over OSU is going to be emotionally nullified by losing an even bigger game against them one month later.

Yuck.

umfan83

December 3rd, 2022 at 1:11 AM ^

From reading OSU fans later this week it seems like they’ve talked themselves into thinking the UM game was a fluke and with another shot they’d beat us. Basically back to their normal bravado mixed in with Day bashing. 
 

Now being resurrected has given them a shot in the arm based on Twitter comments tonight. I don’t follow any OSU fans but I’ve had about 4 OSU fans chime in on the 2-3 tweets I’ve made since the game ended. They are giddy.

Brhino

December 3rd, 2022 at 1:28 AM ^

I'm not surprised.  Also those kind of people might literally die if they watched us beat them again.  365 days of "okay that was a fluke it was snowing and we had the flu" followed by losing followed by a month of "okay that was also a fluke they had too many big plays we'll cover guys next time" followed by losing again? A blood vessel somewhere in their brains would burst and that would be it.

Durham Blue

December 3rd, 2022 at 11:05 AM ^

But OSU is playing with house money right now so another loss to Michigan is more of a validation of the previous loss.  OSU already has a not so good data point, stuff to work on to get better, etc, and have likely processed the loss in that manner.  If Michigan were in OSU's shoes, I could live with that.  However, Michigan earned every bit of that victory in a very hostile environment and was awarded with the CFP seeding.  OSU backed in because USC played like shit.

In other words, OSU woke up today on third base thinking they hit a triple.  Almost literally.

Gustavo Fring

December 3rd, 2022 at 1:37 AM ^

Even Connelly was floating the fluke theory.  "They hit a bunch of isolated high-leverage plays."  Yes, but why?

I'm a Knicks fan. We just played the Milwaukee Bucks and lost despite outscoring a team that had Giannis freaking Antetokounmpo in the paint because the Bucks were better from 3.  Imagine thinking "oh the Bucks only won because they got more open looks from 3, it's not repeatable."  Yes but WHY did they get open looks from 3?  Did it have anything to do with the fact that they had a cheat code we had to collapse in the paint on?

WHY did Michigan hit so many big plays (and missed the chance to hit more)?  Why did they have so many opportunities?

You could argue maaaaaybe that without Corum, ground and pound wouldn't be quite as effective as it was the rest of the season for Michigan if OSU played a more conservative style but this "well take away the big plays that were a direct result of how we were forced to play because we are soft up front" is ridiculous.  

1VaBlue1

December 3rd, 2022 at 9:18 AM ^

"They hit a bunch of isolated high-leverage plays."

Isolated?  So Connelly understands math pretty well, but apparently he doesn't understand football.  Those plays were set up by the entire running game.  There is nothing isolated in football when the 'isolated' thing happened repeatedly because of something else.  Isolated is that USC safety making a tackle downfield.  Isolated is most definitely not FIVE bomb touchdowns because the defense had to play Cover 0 and leave everything open trying to stop one thing.

Gustavo Fring

December 3rd, 2022 at 1:39 AM ^

Man I think we can beat anyone else in the country (maybe even Bama) but UGA feels like it would go similarly to last year, especially now that their tight ends are even better.  If any offensive line can run the ball on them, it's us for sure, but I don't think it will come to fruition, or at least not to the level we need.  

And they have a very talented secondary.  They could replicate the Illinois game plan but much more effectively.  Or honestly could do what they did last year, sit back in coverage and still limit the running game.  They're too fucking good.  

Midukman

December 3rd, 2022 at 6:50 AM ^

They’re good, no doubt. But they were way better last year. That D was an NFL scout tam, maybe better. Lard ass is gone and most of the playmakers that shut us down. They aren’t unbeatable, just tough to beat and Smart is as good as it gets with time to prepare. watching OSU get beat like a drum will be a late Xmas present, especially with all the shit they talked about being the only team that could beat them. Now prove it buckeyes, you got your wish. 

brad

December 3rd, 2022 at 9:40 AM ^

Michigan would be a favorite against Alabama (Bama's defense and run game are far below their recent standards), and Georgia is human this year.  Having seen Georgia last year, Michigan should be ready for game speed with them earlier in the game, hypothetically.

smotheringD

December 3rd, 2022 at 4:06 AM ^

I think we crush them again.  They either load the line of scrimmage and JJ exploits their weak secondary or they back out of it and we run the ball like we have all year.  Donovan's hand will be better and we might even have Blake back.

To me it doesn't matter either way.  I think we have their number.

Midukman

December 3rd, 2022 at 7:04 AM ^

It’s only season ending according to an nfl reporter and everyone piled on. Harbaugh and Blake have confirmed nothing. I’d like to see what Mullings can do. That wouldn’t be lightning and thunder, it’d be lightning and a dam freight train. I was impressed with Tryanum last week and how he virtually came out of nowhere, so why not us. 

wildbackdunesman

December 3rd, 2022 at 9:06 AM ^

Even if OSU makes it in there is a good chance there is no rematch.

The odds are the CFB Playoff Committee will likely try to avoid a rematch in the semis if at all possible.

Georgia likely would have a 60% chance of beating OSU. We'd likely have a 60% chance of beating TCU. If those probabilities are correct, that means only a 24% chance of a rematch or so.

The Deer Hunter

December 3rd, 2022 at 1:14 AM ^

Chuck, you're not afraid of anything according to Alexa. 

Anyway, here is the reality we are all going to have to deal with; whether we like it or not, we will play OSU twice in a season at some point. 

1) Conferences championship games aren't going away period.

2) The B16 is going to do away with divisions soon.

3) The CFP is going to 12 Teams after next season. 

4) Both Michigan and OSU are high-end teams for now and the foreseeable future. 

We will be playing OSU twice in a season eventually, with the possibility of 3 times if the stars align. 

 

Red is Blue

December 3rd, 2022 at 8:17 AM ^

The 12 team playoff should eliminate the ccgs, but it won't.

This won't happen either, but ideally the ccgs get integrated into the playoffs.  Something like playoffs consist of 6 ccgs game winners joining winners of 2 play-in game winners for a round of 8.  Top 4 conference championship game winners get home field in round of 8.

kjhager444

December 3rd, 2022 at 12:52 AM ^

If Michigan's reward for beating OSU at OSU is playing fucking previously #2 OSU in the semis- that would be really annoying.  I would assume they'd avoid the rematch in the semis though.

kalamazoo

December 3rd, 2022 at 2:20 AM ^

Last year they went out of their way to say that they are matching up based on seeds, not interesting teams to play each other. So 1 will play 4 and 2 will play 3.

So it seems Michigan will play TCU if TCU wins, and will potentially play OSU if TCU loses...assuming OSU moves up.

In that case bama or tcu would be the 4th seed.

Not much chance Michigan will rise to #1 but georgia still has to play the sec championship so its possible.