Signgate update from Hole

Submitted by MeanJoe07 on November 3rd, 2023 at 1:35 AM

https://youtu.be/hn5hGU_SfFk?si=fdugMw8QZAGc0xAJ

Not much new information. Mostly reaction. Big Ten ADs getting their very delicate lace panties in a wad and pushing the BigTen to act was unexpected.  The weird pedo lower level staffer non-story (reported by former OSU's best, moral compass and authority on all that is holy, Zack Smith, the coach who pushed his pregnant wife down the stairs and sent her death threats) was one of the two remaining bad news items to drop. The alliance of never sanctimonious and holier than you schools who have never stolen signs are very peeved that the sanctity of their moral code has been violated. Very peeved! They're worried about the children. Hole is fired up (which means his voice almost noticeably raised) because he knows "the truth that will set Michigan free".  He expects Petitty to learn this truth from Santa tomorrow which will force him to take a step back and reconsider. This will cause the wad girth of the aforementioned panties to increase in size substantially.  Hole mentioned again that the goal of this orchestrated hit job is to prevent Harbaugh from ever coaching on the Mich sidelines again. He said that if he coaches Saturday that it's more likely that he's allowed to coach of the rest of the season.  He remains cryptic about his source and what this "truth" is that will set us free. 

DISCUSS.

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ThadMattasagoblin

November 3rd, 2023 at 1:44 AM ^

The low level staff member thing doesn't seem like a huge deal. Michigan cut ties with him. I'm not sure what they were supposed to do. The fact that Zach Smith was quoted in it tells you where this sign gate hit job is coming from.

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M-Dog

November 3rd, 2023 at 12:45 PM ^

I skied in my jeans because that was all I could afford.  I skied at night because it was cheap.  I did have a ski jacket, but it was my only coat.  I couldn't afford a second coat.

When I was at Michigan, all I had was the ski jacket.  I got a call-back business interview in Minneapolis in the winter.  I didn't have a proper business coat, and I was too embarrassed to show up for a business interview in a ski jacket.  So I went to the interview in Minneapolis in the winter with no coat al all.  They noticed and thought it was odd.  I told them it was nothing, I don't really get cold (I was indeed cold).

I didn't get the job.  I should have worn the damn ski jacket.  

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b618

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:03 AM ^

Interesting to me was the part where he thinks laws were broken in getting Michigan files.

That is *very* interesting if true.

https://youtu.be/hn5hGU_SfFk?t=273

 

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J. Redux

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:16 AM ^

On the contrary, that makes me doubt everything he has to say.  It's extremely unlikely that any unauthorized computer access was performed.  It's not out-and-out impossible -- stranger things have happened -- but I'd sooner believe that Ryan Day personally planted the files on a machine, then gave Michigan coaches access to it and let the PI firm know.

People just don't commit serious felonies at the drop of a hat in order to try to mess with their sports rival, and PIs certainly don't jeopardize their freedom and their license at the whim of an insane client.

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J. Redux

November 3rd, 2023 at 2:27 AM ^

Sorry, no.  Nobody thought they were committing felonies with the college basketball stuff.  (The reasoning was extremely tenuous).

But this is totally different.  People are talking about hacking -- there's nobody who doesn't think that's a felony.  And while some low-level OSU script kiddie might engage in it -- their Connor Stalions, if you will -- a private investigator will not.

Any decent PI knows these laws inside and out so that they can be sure to stay to the right side of them, not because of some moral or ethical code, but for the very simple reason that PIs generate enemies as a cost of doing business.  Any of them that habitually break the law will quickly find themselves under investigation.

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MGoOhNo

November 3rd, 2023 at 3:34 AM ^

Dude, just stop. Your facts are wrong. You’re also assuming facts not known. Your summaries of the law are incorrect. Your statements about PIs are wrong. Your assumption about what people believe or don’t believe are felonies is wrong.

In short, you’re spewing Thamel level nonsense.

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MGoOhNo

November 3rd, 2023 at 3:30 AM ^

Do you live in the real world, or ever leave mom’s basement?

You’re posting a metric ton of horseshit on these matters.

”People” commit all kinds of crimes for ridiculous reasons and a simple google search of “PI and felony” moots any point you’re trying to make.

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J. Redux

November 3rd, 2023 at 4:17 AM ^

Ah, now I wish I hadn't wasted my time replying to your other comment.  I guess this is what we get for having two nearly-identical threads going on simultaneously.

Sure, sometimes people break the law.  Sure, PIs are people too.  But going around and committing federal crimes is not something that tends to lead to a long career in anything.

The "Michigan got hacked" angle doesn't pass even a basic sniff test.  It's not impossible -- it's just very, very improbable.

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Yeoman

November 3rd, 2023 at 11:14 AM ^

I think it's very very unlikely that incident is connected. But if it were, I don't think the PI would be directly releasing anything he got from the hack (well, maybe to OSU staff, but not to the NCAA or a WaPo reporter). He'd be using it to figure out where to go for information he could have obtained legally.

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BlueTimesTwo

November 3rd, 2023 at 11:10 AM ^

But if the PI encouraged an informant to break the law they can still be liable.  Or if the third party (who was probably one of the guys hired by CS) pulled a CS and decided to go over and above the request, it is still a problem for the PI who sent that person as his agent and then used that data.

It could also be argued that the fact that the drive was accessed by an unauthorized party may invalidate the data allegedly contained on it.  If you are hacking my system to try and take me down, how do I know that you are not also planting data on that drive?  Sure, you can try to dig into the data forensics, but I would claim that the PI circumventing the NCAA investigative process creates a serious chain of custody problem.  Maybe that is the ace-in-the-hole for Michigan.  "Well, B1G, your top brand has already been damaged, and how would you like criminal charges to be filed that link back to your #2 brand?"  Because OSU is clearly #2.

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