A Short History of Michigan v. Toledo

True. But we gained a pretty badass moniker out of it as well. Or, at least, that's one of the theories.

Sharing an interesting historical anecdote here.  The Toledo War is fairly well known, but less well-known is that, based on the original Northwest Territories Ordinance Line, both modern-day Toledo and modern-day South Bend were once in the Michigan Territory.

The Michigan/Indiana border was supposed to extend westward to the furthest southern point of Lake Michigan.  But that would have left Indiana with barely a (literally only tangential) Great Lakes port. 

So Indiana, Michigan and the Federal Government negotiated that getting moved 10 miles north.  Thus: South Bend, Elkhart & Michigan City, Indiana.

Something something...Vince Lombardi couldnt fix this defense....we're young....we need a hard edge...you raise me up

. . . and the unstoppable Rich Rod offense.

I was there. Two dudes from U Toledo were sitting in front of us. Hilarious dudes, very self-effacing. At the end of the game, they said, “wait, we actually won?” Even they couldn’t believe it. 
 

And, yeah, cover Lance Moore already. 

It's always been my contention that this is Michigan's worst loss.  App State was a excellent football team in the process of winning it's National Championship for the third straight year.

RR was so full of himself when he arrived that this game was sadly predictable. I was at the Illinois game the week before when Juice Williams burned us often, but still felt at 2-3 that we would go 7-5 (losses at PSU and Ohio). This was the game that made me start to think we hired the wrong guy. I still gave him a chance until we had the 2010 crappy stretch in losses at home to MSU and Iowa and at PSU (starting a walk on QB).

Toledo fired the HC after the season. - there's no erasing that Toledo game - that's for sure! 

The D was supposed to be pretty solid coming into the season but fell apart as the year went along. The FG kicker was also pretty solid for Lloyd's last team but completely imploded (save the Minnesota game) as the year went along. 

RR had no clue how to adapt to UM football culture (yes, he had back biters who also were wrong in how they treated him) - still remember his line - first, you lose by a lot, then you lose by a little, then you win by a little, then you win by a lot. That works when you are rebuilding Illinois or Arizona, but UM should NEVER be losing big to anyone, certainly not often as he did. 

Why?

I'll take Juwan or C-Webb

I vaguely remember Antoine Joubert.  He was a really highly regarded player, right?  In today's rankings he would've most likely been like a top 20 national recruit?  My only memories of him is that his performance at Michigan was underwhelming but I have zero context.  I didn't follow Michigan basketball (sort of) closely until 1986/87 and even so I was more football focused.

And I do understand that I can Google him but I prefer the thoughts of the well-rounded Michigan folks on this board over the Google.  To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld -- what was the deal with Antoine Joubert?

I was in FR orientation summer 1981 when Eric Turner and Leslie Rockymore were also incoming FR and were in the same orientation week I was in. Remember them putting on a show at a nearby court. 

As for Joubert, he was one of the most hyped Michigan HS players since Magic. He had The Judge nickname in HS and was so happy when he picked UM. The guy had a decent career but nowhere near the hype. His conditioning was bad. If only Bill had convinced him to lose 10-20 pounds, he could have been a bigger star. I was at the 1986 game in A2 where Skiles blew past him - Joubert had guaranteed a victory after Skiles list us up for about 40 points in a loss at MSU. 

Manny Harris, another hyped recruit, reminded me of The Judge when he played decent but never to the hype under JB.