Sam Webb says Michigan no longer recruiting Jamari Buddin/Belleville
On his recruiting roundup today, he basically says the staff made one last push for Jamari Buddin this week but effectively told him that if he doesn’t want to join they are going to look into other prospects (namely Jaydon Hood and Junior Colson). It also sounded like the staff doesn’t want to put a ton of resources into recruiting Belleville anymore since the coach there keeps undermining there status there with recruits and that it will be an exercise in futility. Will be interesting to see how this plays out since Belleville has become one of the top talent producers in the state.
Buddin also said that Edwards won’t be coming to Michigan but Webb refuted that saying it doesn’t corroborate with anything from Edwards camp is saying and that Jim is himself taking an active role in his recruitment. Edwards is also waiting to see how Michigan’s class fills out.
Why does OSU not have to deal with that kind of bull crap from instate high school coaches?
I don’t like it but it’s hard to argue with their success. Winning fixes everything and even if the high school coach didn’t like the school, the recruits would probably still end up there.
They also have one school in that state.
Because it's a cult down there. It takes an outside reporter to dig up domestic abuse charges while everyone else in that city sweeps it under the rug.
The tattoo scandal? outside source caught them on that too.
Ohio has one P5 school. That’s it. The whole state is “all in” for OSU. If any HS coach were to talk trash about the OSU program, he’d be run out of town on a rail
Michigan only has 1 p5 school also....
Why do you automatically assume it's bullcrap by the school and not something our staff is doing wrong?
Because I'm an intellectual midget
I mean to me it makes perfect sense that a guy like Harbaugh and his staff, whose success is dependent on relationships and recruiting, would work extra hard to fuck up a relationship with one of the top talent producing high schools in their backyard.
I would think whatever the issue was that Harbaugh tried to fix it. What’s a bummer is the kids put in the middle.
Well, if Downers Grove South (Erik Swenson’s High School) had 7 five stars on their team, how do you think that would go?
Honestly I have no idea. It’s possible their coach would tell his players Harbaugh screwed his kid over. It’s also possible their coach would say keep working on your game as part of your commitment.
Harbaugh doesn't have the best reputation with instate coaches. It is not that he goes out of his way to be a jerk, but he puts little to no time in building relations with instate coaches. That is in sharp contrast with past Michigan coaches like Carr and Hoke, they built such good relationships with instate coaches, that the HS coaches would steer kids to the program, which is how you built pipelines. That is a common practice in recruiting. But it is far more palatable to blame the HS coaches rather than a Harbaugh recruiting shortcoming.
Anyway, that's entirely possible. I'm just curious where it comes from. I didn't assume anything. Just asking
Because it is an issue we continue to have at the school and it’s well documented that the school’s coach does not like Michigan.
Because they win
Maybe they're just better at recruiting? John Cooper pissed off a lot of coaches in the state of Ohio which is how we got so many great players from there while he focused more on national recruiting. Rich Rod did the same in Michigan but Hoke seemed to fix that.
Have sources for either (Cooper, RichRod) claim? I doubt it.
Well Cooper infamously said he had too many "slow white guys from Ohio" when he first got there. Not hard to google.
You know I have to give Hoke credit, he was substantially better than the current staff at defensive recruiting. Dare I say elite? Best UM defense in the last 20 years were Hoke recruits.
I had heard this. Move along, we have better options.
Some think Georgia leads for Edwards. He's a very important recruit, my thought is that you do everything you can to make up ground with him, but if he hasn't committed to us by now, he's probably not going to. MSU is now apparently in it for him too.
With Belleville, the coach doesn't like our staff, and some other people in the Detroit area don't like our staff either, it's starting to become a thing.
Why would it matter if he's committed to us by now or not? He's a national recruit, of course he's going to take his time and weigh all his options.
Belleville is weird because UM got Seldon from there last year, then two years before it was just Dobbs and Barnett going to MSU with no love for UM, and then this year both Payne and Buddin don't seem particularly interested in either state school. I'm sure UM isn't popular with the coaches but it also feels like they don't particularly like anyone in the state.
The Detroit situation also seems fluid - you see guys complain about UM not recruiting that area but then places like Cass Tech and King aren't producing a ton of top-level talent.
I agree it appears to be a thing, but I also remember people complaining about Carr, RR, Hoke, etc. all "giving up" on certain schools and then pulling a kid later.
Sounds like Buddin is high non MSU. Payne is likely leaving the state, but MSU is back in it with him too.
I seriously doubt Edwards goes to MSU, but they've made up some ground with him. Tucker is a good recruiter and once he gets a chance to get back into homes in Detroit he's going to be a pain in the butt.
If there's a season this year, they're going 4-8 and all of Tucker's recruiting will go to hell. Edwards will not end up there.
I wouldn’t be so sure. The program has been floundering in mediocrity for years and return basically nobody. A bad year would be expected and understood by recruits. Heck, Rich Rod pulled in his best class after going 3-9.
Not Edwards. Buddin, sure. Not Edwards.
Why would Edwards turn down OSU, UGA and Alabama for MSU? If he's waiting to see how our class shapes up, he has to be waiting to see how MSU on the field looks next year. There is nothing that says the 2020 season will be a positive for them.
What makes you think Tucker is a good recruiter?? Because he got a class ranked around 40 at Colorado ? Or because he, like every UGA assistant, got big time recruits down there? There isn’t much to say he’s a great recruiter.
What evidence is there that Mel Tucker is a good recruiter. Look at their class
Seldon was an exception cus his dad is a huge Michigan fan
This , it would be one thing if it were only Belleville but it sounds like there are a couple more Detroit area schools not so high on Michigan .
I would not be shocked if Edwards ends up in East Lansing.
I would, assuming he wants a career in football
Does anyone know why the Belleville staff doesn’t like Michigan? Did something specific happen?
I’m also dying to know.
General story is that Crowell (Belleville HC) ran his mouth off about Michigan and eventually it got to a breaking point that Jim himself went and said things to Crowell. And basically both parties can’t take that back and are stubborn.
Crowell is a huge MSU fan and a massive supporter of Dantonio. That should tell you all you need to know about how he feels about Michigan.
We also had a DE from Belleville committed and then when signing day came the letter never came and he had to scramble to find a school. Now I think that this kid was a little at fault and he should have known, but it was still a bad look.
This is NOT accurate. Tyrece Woods was committed to Michigan, yes. He decommitted in November of 2018 and signed with Buffalo in February of 2019. He would have been in over his head at Michigan.
If he would have been in over his head at Michigan, why did Harbaugh offer him instead of just letting him go to Buffalo and not fucking up the relationship with Belleville further.
Feels like this has been going on since the late Carr years. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly though.
Belleville didn't have much talent in the late Carr years.
Okay. Who was the coach who was whining about Carr not playing his kids?
I thought that was Cleveland Glennville with Ginn Sr and Jr. I think Pierre Woods was the player not playing much.
It was Renaissance. http://spartannation.com/Hondo%27s_House/flash/COACHWATTS062109.html
He's talking about Carson Butler, who got sat for the nerd massacre, and Andre Criswell, a last-minute addition to the class at fullback who ballooned to a DT, and was kept on as a graduate assistant. In other words, it wasn't reality, but Sparty inventing more slights living in their own hateful world.
Jermain Crowell seems to be the common denominator here. Drama when he was at Cass and now drama at Belleville. Gotta think some of these high school coaches try to flex some influence even though they're coaching high school and not college.
So that's your nice way of saying "little dick energy"
A respected poster on the 247 board said one of the items was this: Michigan coaches attended a Belleville practice, and it was awful. Harbaugh wasn't there, but the coaches returned and told him about it. Apparently Belleville has this reputation of not being coached all that well, at least in some circles. But on that day, several onlookers outside of the Michigan coaching staff noted it was a bad day of practice. Harbaugh heard this, went out to his team and said "some of you came from bad program, so I know why you make some of the mistakes you're making. we'll have to do better". Something like that.
Don't know when this was. Isn't Seldon the only Belleville kid Michigan has? And he's only been there since January, so I don't know when this may have occurred. This probably isn't helpful and more rumor mongering, but there it is.
Harbaugh absolutely needs to get a Detroit guy on his staff. Detroit coaches want to deal with a Detroit guy and that makes sense.
I should also note that I believe Nua was put on Belleville just this year, specifically to try and mend the fences. If that didn't work, well at least Harbaugh had a plan to try.
I don't care how cocky/arrogant he is, and i don't care if Jim butted heads with him. Get Tyrone Wheatley back here ASAP so he can recruit our state!
Even if Harbaugh did say that 1) how would anyone know he was referring to Belleville and 2) there's like 1 Belleville kid on Michigan and he would be the only one offended by that