Ryan Day makes coaching moves

Submitted by canzior on December 12th, 2022 at 10:40 AM

Listening to Buckeye Talk with Doug Lesmerises.  I wanted to hear about the coaching moves but also their frustrations with NIL. 

Kevin Wilson has been mentioned as one of the best offensive minds, as did Ryan Day.  He was replaced as a TE coach by Keenan Bailey, who has never been a full time assistant, along with Parker Dennis, and Cory Fleming. Ryan Day seems to prefer to hire from within and with the exception of Knowles he has generally followed that path.  3 internal hires with guys very light on experience outside of OSU might not be the best path forward.  Hartline has been good, Knowles the jury is out on, but I don't know that there has been a hire that he's made that was well-regarded. 

 

As far as NIL: His take is, they are more focused on getting NIL deals for their existing players and then telling recruits, this is what you can get if you come here, as opposed to the TAMU situation. Sounds similar to Michigan's approach. But he thinks it's really all being figured out and feels like their getting closer but with no rules and an ever-changing climate, it's hard to narrow down what's the best approach. He mentioned that apparently you aren't allowed to tie an NIL deal to a player staying in a program.  

OSU fans/alumni are frustrated with the lack of clarity on where the money goes.  Also with giving money to the program but also being asked for NIL contributions. (sound familiar?)  Their fans don't want OSU to out-pay anyone, but enough money to where someone would take slightly less to go to Columbus as opposed to more money at a school like Miami. 

 

Also, an Ohio State caller was trying to figure out how many "donators" (sp?) are out there.

Would the school (Gene Smith) tell a fan to give to the collective, instead of to the university?

All this to say, a lot of unknown, and many issues brought up in Alex's post the other day, are questions there too. 

 

 

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ldevon1

December 12th, 2022 at 10:48 AM ^

I'm not sure you should take any moves he does right now as "moves" as most good coaches currently have jobs. If you want to be critical of his coaching hires I would suggest you wait until the season is over. He really doesn't have many options right now. 

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December 12th, 2022 at 12:56 PM ^

I like that there is a precedent for coaches staying on their teams to coach the playoff game, even if they ink a new contract. Sarkisian did it for Alabama in 2020, even though he'd signed on at Texas already. Maybe Tulsa is rightly pissed, but from my armchair, as a representative of middle-aged college football fan, I say bully for you.

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Needs

December 12th, 2022 at 1:13 PM ^

Dan Lanning also coached Georgia's defense through the championship game last year before moving to Oregon. I think that, given the precedents that a number of coaches have set, all teams that are hiring are building in the assumption that coaches on playoff teams will stay until their teams are eliminated. If Oregon can't expect a coach to leave, how could Tulsa?

FWIW, Oregon's recruiting ranking last year was lower than their norm, but not disastrous. 

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December 12th, 2022 at 10:51 AM ^

I salute your strong stomach.  Sounds like a long podcast, and Lesmerises is one of the most obnoxious, snarky, self-certain people I have had the misfortune to hear on a podcast.  

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ak47

December 12th, 2022 at 10:56 AM ^

ND fans are also complaining about their NIL setup. Its almost like NIL is just a convenient boogeyman to blame for anything that goes wrong and we can move on from blaming it as Michigan fans.

Probably not though

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Dyslexic96

December 12th, 2022 at 11:50 AM ^

This is a great comment. 

I do think NIL is a convenient target, especially with specific recruiting battles, because one can theorize the solution to the problem is throwing more money to solve that specific battle. However, a proper NIL strategy for a program needs to account for more nuanced issues.

Great, you pulled off a 5* but how does the rest of the class feel that he received a six figure check and they haven't? What happens if that kid is actually passed on the depth chart, does the coach feel indebted to donor X to keep him in the starting lineup so donor X feels like their investment was worth it? 

What about the team dynamic? A group of freshman flashing more cash than an established 4 year starter is exactly what A&M is dealing with (20+ in the portal). 

I'm just reading other fan sites, but the stipend route seems the most sustainable to me. Encourage donors to donate to a collective to hit their raise target of X million, that provides every Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and Senior a base amount that's standard across the class. Players will earn additional compensation based on the market, ie JJ, Blake and Donovan, but that doesn't tear apart the locker room because it's controlled by outside opportunities. Have the school devote resources to allow all athletes to maximize their NIL dollars bridging the business school to students that now suddenly have an income. Publicize the success stories of students who use NIL money to start their own ventures or give back to (or even start their own) nonprofits. 

To me that's the balanced short term and long term strategy for success. 

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MGoGrendel

December 12th, 2022 at 12:27 PM ^

Encourage donors to donate to a collective to hit their raise target of X million, that provides every Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and Senior a base amount that's standard across the class. 

Along with giving some players "additional compensation based on the market, ie JJ, Blake and Donovan", there would be tiers for starters, second team, etc. so that a sophomore starter would make more than a senior third string (for example).  

I think the Michigan/OSU/others NIL approach will more likely survive the in long run over the TAM approach.  Pay on results - not just for showing up as a freshman. 

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drz1111

December 12th, 2022 at 12:29 PM ^

I 100% agree with this post;  I also think that while players might wish they were the stars getting more $$, its not nearly as corrosive for an actual star to get paid as a recruit who might suck.  Nothing is worse than some guy getting $2000 for books dusting a million-dollar recruit in practice and feeling the righteous indignation of injustice.  

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kyeblue

December 12th, 2022 at 11:47 AM ^

I am sure that a lot of fanbase are unhappy with NIL simply because of its lack of transparency, Because of that, NIL is an easy scapegoat of recruiting misses and losing player to portals, and  some players would complain too as the pasture on the other side of the mountain is always greener.

Personally, I don't see what is wrong with the approach of working on the current players rather than bidding wars for unproven recruits. And I would even argue that with the open portal and NIL, recruiting from high school becomes less essential to the success of blue blood programs. 

 

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December 12th, 2022 at 11:53 AM ^

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SanDiegoWolverine

December 12th, 2022 at 11:58 AM ^

Pretty hard to take anything they say at face value. They aren't going to tell on their program and when they're saying things like, "apparently you can't tie NIL to staying" it's like "no shit!" but lot's of people are still doing it. Considering the 13 million statement their coach made I'm pretty sure their NIL is much further along than ours is. Also, look at their recruiting rankings.

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HarmonHowardWoodson

December 12th, 2022 at 12:00 PM ^

It makes sense that it would be illegal, or at least against the rules, for an NIL deal to be linked to performance, since these opportunities are supposed to be separate from the university. If players are being paid for their name, image, and likeness, then it is independent of whether they are with a certain team or are playing at all. It seems like many of the NIL deals should, or will end up being, one year renewable deals so that if a player transfers the booster doesn't have to pay them any longer by not renewing the deal.

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