February 5th, 2024 at 11:04 PM ^
Nobody likes the thought but there isn't much to offer to the contrary so far. I hope that's not true in a month but right but things are looking confusing as shit
February 5th, 2024 at 11:05 PM ^
Explain how this is false. If you have the guts to downvote this, have the guts to elaborate.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:21 PM ^
It's painfully obvious that the "Moore continuity" argument was just Warde believing whatever Jim said. "He's a nice guy. He beat Ryan Day. Sure, let's just go ahead and give him one of the most demanding jobs in the sport. What could possibly go wrong?"
Nobody in the athletic department seems to have actually had a plan ready for implementation once Jim bolted.
All of these contingencies should've been vetted long ago. AD malpractice.
February 6th, 2024 at 12:17 AM ^
Holy shit, I can't believe you nancies are melting down over an analyst you've never heard of leaving us to take a promotion.
Put the bottle down and go to sleep.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:58 AM ^
Never heard of?
LOL I watched Doug Mallory play football for Michigan 40 years ago. Were you even alive then?
February 6th, 2024 at 8:45 AM ^
You had absolutely no idea he was an analyst for this team until yesterday. Now because he's leaving to take a promotion, Michigan football is doomed.
Calm down.
February 6th, 2024 at 9:26 AM ^
You apparently think you're the only one here who possessed the super-secret information that Mallory joined Harbaugh's staff in 2021, or that Sam Webb has discussed on several occasions Mallory's importance to the defensive staff over the past three seasons, especially in 2023.
February 6th, 2024 at 9:29 AM ^
No, YOU didn't know. Sam Webb has been talking about Doug Mallory for some time now.
February 6th, 2024 at 8:15 AM ^
For real tho, people are so impatient and selfish. Crazy what they think being a "fan" is...be happy for these guys, they did us solid, no hard feelings out the door.
February 6th, 2024 at 4:56 AM ^
It also might implicate Santa as well. Exit interviews are a standard practice. The top executive should be requesting and receiving these in this situation. If the implications are arrows toward the AD, Santa’s job is to evaluate that.
February 6th, 2024 at 1:14 AM ^
To be fair, he's kept the offensive side together, which was always great, never had multiple quarters of doing nothing but running into a brick wall. The defense always leaned on them to get out of games, so small blessing there.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:52 AM ^
I would say so far we have held onto most of our players. I will take that over an analyst we didn’t keep.
We seem to be doing better than Alabama and Washington with player retention.
Maybe let the coaching staff come together and not stress over every announcement or rumor. Then complain afterwards if you don’t like something.
February 6th, 2024 at 7:34 AM ^
I get the sentiment to an extent but (a) you can only keep continuity as long as a much bigger entity, with more money and (to some) more appeal, isn't trying to come after your guys, and (b) they've thus far been able to stem that initial wave of transfers and decommitments that we saw at UW and Alabama. Also, given when UM had to start looking for a new coach and who was reasonably available at the time, who do people think should have been the HC other than Moore? I'm sure if DeBoer hadn't just left for Alabama they'd have kicked those tires, but otherwise you'd be trying to pull a sitting HC from a team about as late as you could imagine.
I don't know if Moore is going to work out but this place has also become just obsessed with doom-and-gloom everything despite the pretty unique situation that your sitting, NC-winning HC has decided he must take half of his staff with him to the NFL despite most of them having never served in those capacities in the league. and doing so in January and February.
February 6th, 2024 at 10:29 AM ^
I think Moore was the most sensible choice once Harbaugh was gone.
My question is whether U-M did all it could to support Harbaugh and make him want to stay. I'm not sure we can answer that affirmatively.
February 6th, 2024 at 9:32 AM ^
No one will ever be able to take away what Harbaugh accomplished here but his legacy is now up in the air. Lloyd left this program in shambles and threw it into the worst years of its existence. I hope we don’t look back and curse Harbaugh for how he left and the way he pillaged the staff.
February 6th, 2024 at 10:22 AM ^
If we take off the maize and blue glasses for a minute, we should recognize that the entire 2023 Michigan football staff was hired by Harbaugh himself. They are as much "his" as they are "ours." And it's ultimately their choice to stay or go.
Moore/Manuel's job right now is to make staying at Michigan look more appealing to these guys than leaving.
February 5th, 2024 at 10:38 PM ^
Next headline: Jack Harbaugh hires Sherrone Moore for who knows what reason
February 5th, 2024 at 11:31 PM ^
That might be the best thing for us
February 5th, 2024 at 10:47 PM ^
Good luck to him - feels like there was a connection between the Ravens and UM and so guys must feel comfortable plucking guys up.
I do wonder if we'll hear some announcements about UM's side sooner rather than later, as the NFL staffs are settling out.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:00 PM ^
I am just SICK of Harbaugh stealing coaches on his way ou--what?--wrong Harbaugh?
oh. carry on then
February 5th, 2024 at 11:53 PM ^
Looks like Roney is gone too -- the guy Elston said was critical. I guess the optimistic hypothetical is that Roney is taking the job Elston didn't want in LA. The pessimistic take would be that Elston is taking his right-hand man with him to LA.
Either way, this is quite the brain drain. We don't just have huge asst coach vacancies -- the analysts have been picked through as well.
February 6th, 2024 at 12:13 AM ^
I suspect we are about to find out exactly how good those analysts working for Harbaugh were.
Kinda ironic, everyone pointed to Connor Stallions stealing signs as the reason for M's ascendancy the last few years. That wasn't it, it was having some mega-talented people all around Harbaugh making this high-performance engine run. I really hope it doesn't sputter next season.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:54 PM ^
Hiring Sherrone for continuity sake seems delusional in retrospect. He may have to replace every defensive coach which will likely result in players leaving
February 6th, 2024 at 12:00 AM ^
I don't think they planned on losing every single non-dietician staff battle with Harbaugh. But here we are.
February 6th, 2024 at 7:11 AM ^
Does Warde ever plan for anything?
Realistically, who would you rather work for: the hugely accomplished coach who brought you to Ann Arbor, won a national championship, and now is offering you the same position in the pros, or his rookie successor who is years younger than you are?
A problem of hiring a 37-year-old is that his assistants can't wait him out. If things go well, he stays in place forever. If they don't, the whole staff probably gets fired.
February 6th, 2024 at 12:23 AM ^
Sherrone certain was a big contributor to the culture, but he wasn't the only one. If they really wanted to maintain, then they needed to keep Herbert. From the outside looking in, I'm not sure anyone was more key to that culture than Herbert. Judging from player reaction to his departure really solidifies that. He forged those kids into steel, and he will be missed.
For me it doesn't matter if Warde had anything to do with any of the other departures or not; Herbert's departure is the one that should be laid squarely in his lap and matters the most.
February 6th, 2024 at 12:58 AM ^
The Ravens giveth and the Ravens taketh away.
February 6th, 2024 at 2:03 AM ^
I want to know what Moore is doing at the moment
February 6th, 2024 at 6:55 AM ^
The ravens giveth and the ravens taketh away.
edit. Someone clearly types faster than I do. Sorry for the double
February 6th, 2024 at 8:16 AM ^
The biggest way Jim is going to be missed is his uncanny ability to adapt to staffing changes and usually come out smelling better on the other side. It was incredible the coordinator turnover we had in his years here and somehow the team typically was collectively better and looked better on that side of the ball through each. I think Moore is going to do a fine job with all the other parts of the program my biggest fear is he doesn't have the network Jim had to reach to and he certainly doesn't have the name Jim had to draw people to work for him to better themselves. If he can do this he will be successful at Michigan. If he can't we are going to see some regression
February 6th, 2024 at 9:27 AM ^
Moore does not have the network Jim does, but he has access to a vast network via Jim and Minter.
Until he proves otherwise, I'll give Moore the benefit of the doubt that he learned from Harbaugh during his 6 years under him and will build upon that foundation while adding his own handprints on the program.
February 6th, 2024 at 9:05 AM ^
Only the Michigan fanbase could meltdown so quickly just weeks after we won a National Championship.
Good coaches are in high demand, and they often leave. That's the price of success. Great programs are always replacing their coaches every couple of years. Sure, it sucks that we're doing it now after replacing Harbaugh but there was no scenario where we just kept everyone on staff.
I'd be more concerned if no one wanted our coaches. Let's all just take a deep breath and see how this all plays out first. We really have no idea what's going on behind the scenes or evidence that Warde is fucking anything up (this argument amuses me, anytime anything bad happens it's always Warde's fault).
No one important has hit the portal during this time. We haven't lost a game in over a year, and we haven't lost to OSU in several years.
We were gonna regress next year even with Harbaugh. You cannot lose your starting QB, RB, top two WR's and entire OL and not take a step back on offense.
But no matter what happens with the staff and players, what won't change is that Michigan just won a National Championship!
February 6th, 2024 at 9:33 AM ^
Only the Michigan fanbase could meltdown so quickly just weeks after we won a National Championship.
Only Michigan has lost their head coach and most of their staff after a CFB championship since 1997. And certainly the only football school in the age of NIL & the Transfer Portal.
February 6th, 2024 at 10:25 AM ^
Most of their staff?
So far we have lost Harbaugh, Harbaugh, Minter, S&C coach, and a few analysts. Even if we lose a couple more that doesn't seem like most.
Some important pieces but definitely not most.
February 6th, 2024 at 11:35 AM ^
Most of the staff?
Harbaugh leaving is not a shock to anyone, he's been doing this dance for years. And he took Minter and Herbert with him. Jay took another NFL job. That is three members of the coaching staff, not even close to most of the staff.
As I said above, when you have a great coaching staff they will eventually leave for other jobs. It means they are good coaches, and yes you have to replace them. But all the bitching I've seen here about how this is all Warde's fault or the sky is falling cuz we have no one left to coach is just absurd.
MAYBE, Clink and Elston and Hart leave. But they haven't yet. Nor have any players. I'm just saying, let's take a step back and wait for it all to play out. In the meantime, maybe we can enjoy the fact that we just won the National Championship instead of going all Chicken Little about what might happen next season based on pure speculation.
February 6th, 2024 at 12:29 PM ^
Been saying this. We love tripping over our shoelaces, nobody does it better.
February 6th, 2024 at 11:44 AM ^
The glass half full is always welcome. My #1 concern is Warde Manual willing to give Clink and Elston is reasonable bump in pay in those guys are willing to be Co-DC? They should each make $1M/yr. After all, they are just as much a part of the 15-0, National Championship as anybody else on the staff.
Warde must set up for Sherrone's success with pay raises for those assistant coaches who want to remain and move up a notch or two. Warde has save a ton of $$ by letting Jim go to the NFL so where's this extra money going?
If Clink and Elston walk, I am less confident Sherrone can replace them with even better people.
February 6th, 2024 at 9:57 AM ^
Ok so I was like “good for the coaches, let’s see who Sherrone brings in as replacements” but you guys have convinced me to totally panic over a game college kids play, and a situation we have zero say, input or control over. In addition, this game has zero to do with the quality of my life. But you guys convinced me to get super mad at things and stuff. Might as well burn it all down and cancel football forever. Sky is falling, dogs and cats getting along, it’s the end of days, woe is me, tear clothes and gnash teeth.
/s
February 6th, 2024 at 11:38 AM ^
It's OK, we're a basketball school anyway.
February 6th, 2024 at 11:50 AM ^
The football drama never ends at Michigan. The sky is falling for those who think Michigan will repeat with another 15-0 season. Granted, this off-season has reached new heights given Jim's departure and the flux that follows.
For me, I'll be very happy with a 10-2 regular season in 2024 and will even call 9-3 as good. Best to set the bar low for next season which will be easier to exceed.