MRunner73

November 16th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^

True; that there is more than one issue with the offensive woes with this team. Milton's 2 INT really hurt the team in this Wisc game. Milton didn't recover that much after those INT. He has regressed since the Minn game.

Cade could be a spark that this offense really needs to have any chance of beating either Rutgers and PSU. There has to be a starting point and a new starting QB is that start. 

Brian Griese

November 16th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^

Just reshuffling chairs on the Titanic at this point.  And I do feel bad for Milton - sunshine blowing slappies should not have been hyping him as Cam 2.0 before he ever took a snap as a starter (and shame to those who drank it up as well).  Also, it's not all his fault Michigan is 1-3.  

oakapple

November 16th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^

The lack of QB development is probably the most surprising thing under Harbaugh. In his previous stops, he was undeniably great at it.

In six seasons, Milton is the first Game One starter whom Harbaugh recruited out of high school. That's surprising in itself: you'd have thought the program could recruit and develop organically a lot sooner than that.

Milton is in his third year with the program, and he is still VERY raw. I think he can get better, but can he get a LOT better? Probably not: most players, by their third year in a program, are a lot closer to their ceiling than their floor.

MRunner73

November 16th, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^

If Michigan has any chance of winning the next two games, then have McNamara as the starting QB. Milton had his chance and regressed each week. Milton has become on of the worst starting QBs in the B1G conference. Maybe his overall QB rating will show otherwise but throw out those metrics. Milton has lost confidence.

McNamara threw the ball with much more finesse. He completed 4 consec passes in the lone TD drive and the 2 point conversion. The WR seem to trust him more. If I were a WR at Michigan, I wouldn't want all those bullets Milton thrown at me. Perhaps that is one issue with the offense. Milton lacks leadership, from just the casual observer.

Can or will Harbaugh make this QB change? He failed to pull Paterson last season. McNamara is the key to giving Michigan a chance to win in each of the next two games, worth mentioning again.

I do not like to trash any player who wears the Maize and Blue helmet but I am OFF the Milton train. Let him transfer if he wants. He's not Power 5 starting QB material. He's in year 3 so there no excuse for him not elevating his game.

trueblueintexas

November 16th, 2020 at 6:21 PM ^

This is one of the weird outcomes of Harbaugh's tenure. Supposedly he used to run practices which insured QB#2 ran split reps with the 1's and yet the results (other than McCaffery vs. ND 2018) would leave one to believe QB#2 has never practiced before. 

Chalk it up to everything else which seems to have fallen apart around the program.

gruden

November 16th, 2020 at 11:41 PM ^

McNamara's 2nd series came after the punt block disaster.  When M finally got the ball back, it had started raining and wasn't ideal for a young QB.

Hopefully he'll get meaningful playing time next game and then we'll see if the first drive was a fluke or the coaches found a way to screw him up as well.

Aspyr

November 16th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^

I hope Cade starts so that Milton can watch a little and hopefully reset. That said, Milton is suppose to graduate in December and then have two (three if this year doesn't count?) years remaining and will probably be a highly sought after grad transfer. 

ESNY

November 16th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^

Sadly I feel it is inevitable that Milton will start on Saturday, practice results be damned. I’m sure we’ll get a comment that it was neck and neck and Milton has really risen to the occasion and then on Saturday, it will be exactly the same results. 

njvictor

November 16th, 2020 at 1:08 PM ^

I'm starting to think that McCaffrey didn't actually lose the starting job and instead just said "fuck this" and sat out because he saw how much of a shit show this team is

goblue2121

November 16th, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^

We struggle to run the ball. It's only fair that we have issues throwing it to balance things out. Opposing DC's don't  know whether we're running for a two yard loss on first down or throwing a 3 yard out on 3rd and 12. Mind games dude.

tigerd

November 16th, 2020 at 1:12 PM ^

You have to remember that Cade was no slouch coming out of high school. He was a 4* prospect out of Nevada. Went back and watched his video highlights and he was pretty darn good throwing on the run and also hitting receivers in stride. Sure he's not as big as Milton and doesn't have near the arm strength but if he can orchestrate drives and put points on the board I'm all for the switch. One of the knocks on Harbaugh has been that he plays favorites especially when he chooses  who he thinks should be his quarterback. If he's going to be serious about saying that the guys that put forth the most effort and show the most desire to win it has to be all positions, not every position but quarterback.

GET OFF YOUR H…

November 16th, 2020 at 1:13 PM ^

Milton was a 47% passer in high school.  So far this season he is a 56% passer that has issues with accuracy on long balls.  In a sense he has improved.  It's the hype that got you all in a mess.  You listened to the (insert year here) Harbaugh hype that has ended with egg on his face more often that not.  It was unfair to Milton  to pump the expectations so high before the season.  

Dylan deciding not to play, while in a season that if he does play he loses no eligibility, but remaining on campus and taking classes should be a huge concern.  Either he got himself into some trouble that hasn't come out (unlikely), or he is fed up with the coaches (likely). Something is rotten, and it goes beyond just missing a couple stud DB/DT's. 

GET OFF YOUR H…

November 16th, 2020 at 2:27 PM ^

Bingo...the problem up there isn't Milton.  It's not Dylan.  It's not Cade.  The problem is that everyone thought they were a great QB away from greatness, and expected it out of a guy that was a project and is in his third year.  Add in the fact that Harbaugh has seemingly lessened the talent of the QB's he has brought in, and the team is no help in bailing out a QB in a bad spot.  The coaches are burying this program.  Two years ago people thought you were a QB away from doing what Harbaugh was brought in to do.  Meanwhile forgetting that Harbaugh is supposed to be a QB guy, so you should not be in that position.  Now you are a couple DB's, a couple DT's a couple of OL, and still a QB away from what Harbaugh was brought in to do.

rob f

November 16th, 2020 at 3:20 PM ^

In extreme mop-up duty only, though. Other than a small handful of times that Shea got pounded and came off the field for a play or two, Dylan never got any real work.

Quite a few times Harbaugh could have pulled Shea a drive or two earlier so he'd have a qb more prepared for this season.

 

MGoBlue96

November 16th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^

I mean at this point might as well get as many players experience as possible for hopefully a new staff. I do think people are overreacting to the Milton versus Mcnamara comparison based on one drive. If you go back and watch that drive it's the only one the o-line gave either QB clean pockets all night. Not like the offense did anything the rest of the night after that drive. It doesn't matter who the QB is if they are young and you aren't providing them any help in the running game or consistent pass protection. The o-line has reached late era Hoke levels of suck the last couple of games. As far as Mccaffrey we have no idea what he is or would have been, he had not proved anything.

mackbru

November 16th, 2020 at 1:18 PM ^

If memory serves, Cade was just as highly rated as Dylan coming out of HS. Alabama and ND both wanted him badly. The only difference is that he’s younger than Dylan. But there’s no reason to think Cade won’t ultimately end up being the best of the bunch. 

DeBored

November 16th, 2020 at 1:21 PM ^

Here's my question: Did Dylan opt out and seek transfer before or after he "lost" the battle with Milton for the starting spot? Officially, yes. But was he going to opt out either way due to COVID?

If he was going to opt out either way, was M trying to control the narrative by saying Joe "won" the QB battle?

chunkums

November 16th, 2020 at 4:37 PM ^

I think this is important. I feel like people frequently talk about Cade like he was some nobody recruit. He wasn't. He was a solid 4* who came out of high school with a lot more polish than the other two. From his 247 profile:

At 6-foot-1, and just over 200 pounds, McNamara is not as tall as other nationally-ranked quarterbacks, but does have good weight and muscle as he enters college. He played in a spread-out system which allowed him to throw a lot of balls in high school. He is accurate, has good placement and touch and can throw into windows. His best asset may be his ability to throw from odd angles and on the move without needing to have his feet set. While he has not posted big rushing stats, he shows good ability to elude pressure and extend plays. He has taken good care of the the football with an over 5-to-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio his sophomore through senior seasons. His intangibles, in general, are a major asset. He will have to adjust to the speed of the college game and throwing into tighter windows. He has the quick release and necessary velocity for that, but did not see consistently high-level secondary speed in his high school career. Intangibles and accuracy are likely to carry him to a productive college career and he could develop into an NFL draft choice.

azee2890

November 16th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^

This is such an overreaction. Milton had as rough as a start as possible in the Wisconsin game. That doesn't erase the fact that he was one of the only bright spots on the team for the first three games. What a knee jerk reaction, especially since Cade looked good in the first series and pretty awful for the rest of the game. Could just be Wisconsin had prepped for Milton but not Cade. 

This QB carousel is why no QB ever succeeds here. Milton threw two interceptions (one not really his fault) and everyone immediately clammers to bench him. Let him take his lumps and see how he responds before throwing him away like yesterday's news. 

The real issue here is the offensive line, which has totally tanked the running game and as a result has started to tank the passing game. You correct the offensive line, you correct the running game and you give Milton a better opportunity to succeed. Same goes for the defensive line. I think our secondary has actually improved quite a bit. Unfortunately it is coinciding with the downfall of our DL, which lost its two best players. Even bad QB's can carve up a secondary if there is no pass rush at all. 

MGoBlue96

November 16th, 2020 at 1:25 PM ^

Yep, Mcnamara looked good throwing on the one drive, and it was no coincidence it was the only drive of the night where the pass protection was not awful. Majority of college QB's in major conferences can make throws if given a clean pocket. Also one of those ints is absolutely not on Milton, threw a strike and it was dropped. The reality is whoever started at QB was going to be raw and inexperienced and was going to require help from the running, good pass blocking and good gameplans to be successful.

The offense with Mcnamara still went back to being god awful after that one drive for the rest of the game.

 

MGoBlue96

November 17th, 2020 at 12:22 AM ^

The deflection was off Eubanks hands, after Milton put it on the money. Also three receivers running probably incorrect routes or bad play design causing issues with spacing is not on the qb. Like sorry, you or anybody else are being crazy to fault a qb for a drop on a ball that hit the receiver square where it needed to be.

goblue76

November 16th, 2020 at 1:21 PM ^

I think it is Joe's eyes I blame more than his arm.  There are some throws he was making in those first few games that were extremely danger.  Some of those things he was getting away with against 2 crap programs are catching up to him against better teams.  

He still has a touch issue no doubt about it but I am more worried about the tight windows he tries to missile the ball into.

I think Cade is the better option in the interim to try to settle the offense down.  

MGoBlue96

November 16th, 2020 at 1:31 PM ^

He is a young QB, going throw reads and decision making are the areas you would expect to have issues and only get better with more reps. Then you pair that with a o-line playing like crap and not providing clean pockets and that is a  going to cause even more issues. I mean you might as well play as many guys as possible the rest of the season but neither QB is going to look good without far more help around them. Are people just ignoring the offense looked god awful the rest of the game after that one drive? And that is not even a criticism of either QB when there is nothing but bad play around them.

mitchewr

November 16th, 2020 at 5:05 PM ^

This may be his first year as a starter, but hell man he's been in the program, supposedly getting "coached up" and "developed" for THREE years! Other programs are able to get their QBs ready to play...why the fucking hell can't we? Why is the excuse ALWAYS "youth and inexperience"?? This doesn't seem to be nearly as big of an obstacle for other teams...

My Name is LEGIONS

November 16th, 2020 at 5:55 PM ^

A problem I had over the years was Harbaugh would keep the entire starting team on both sides, playing most of the game, during blowouts..... I didn't understand it... mix in the youth and give them experience, while resting the starters.    And we're talking nearly two quarters too many.     Dantonio's MSU seemed to rotate a ton and plug and play with little dropoff, whereas ours when they did finally get in, the dropoff seemed vast.

SHub'68

November 17th, 2020 at 2:08 AM ^

Right! And how many 2nd down and 14, 3rd down and 9s were there? A lot. They're 'off schedule' all the damned time and it isn't always a QB thing. The back getting hauled down 4 yards deep on 1st down killed so many drives and put the young guy in some really bad situations. He passed them out of it a few times only to have an offsides or some dumb shit put them right back into it again.

There's so much mess out there with this team, I don't have the slightest idea what's wrong.

erald01

November 16th, 2020 at 1:35 PM ^

Does not matter anymore I saw enough last game to realize we have a bigger problem than just defense. Both QBs are not good nor ready. Cade showed good ball skills that first touchdown but then the next time once the defense adjusted he was not good. Yes you could say it was easy to adjust because the defense knew Michigan would only throw since time was running out, but what bothered me with Cade was his arm strength.