April 30th, 2023 at 10:01 PM ^
What a great game. The NHL post-season is awesome.
The NHL playoffs are typically a random crap shoot. The President's Cup winner has a little bit better than a 1/16 chance to win it all. I suppose if the President's Cup winner also wins the Stanley Cup about once a decade, that seems about right to me.
Anybody have the numbers handy for the past few decades?
Since 2000, 4 President Trophy winners have also won the Stanley cup. Avs in '01, Wings in '02 and '08, and the 'Hawks in '13.
Awesome. Thanks!
So it's happened twice in the salary cap era, about 18 years?
I think it's more reflective of the fact that there's not a ton of gap between the top teams in the NHL. A random crap shoot is the NCAA tournament where it's one and done and sometimes 4 seed Yale wins it all. Best of 7 series is about as variance smoothing as you can get without just declaring the President's Cup winner the champion and foregoing a tournament
April 30th, 2023 at 10:02 PM ^
Only good thing about the Presidents are the songs Lump and Peaches
Go Kraken!
i love Mach 5 too.
The only good thing about the Presidents' song Lump, is:
I'll not stand for this Dune Buggy slander.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:03 PM ^
A crazy game and a remarkable ending. Boston going out in the first round after setting a regular-season record for wins and points is bananas. I thought they could lose in these playoffs but absolutely never expected the Panthers to be the team.
That's what they get for setting the record with those extra overtime points.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:09 PM ^
I'm leaving Blueisgood's thread up on the MGoBoard and deleting mine. Because I wasn't able to complete my OP prior to the winning OT goal, his thread title makes more sense than mine.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:14 PM ^
I'm out for presidents to represent me
Get doooooown.....
April 30th, 2023 at 10:14 PM ^
Boston shouldn't have opened the tomb of that mummified president. Also, they should've let that dude come in with his goat. And stay away from Oak Island regardless.
And they should have never traded Bobby Layne.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:14 PM ^
On the one hand, I hate Boston fans and I hate Marchand with a passion. And I also hate Lucic (yes I realize he hasn’t been there in years). But I like Bergeron and Pasta is great to watch. On the other hand, this means we have to suffer through at least one more series of a Tkachuk brother. I don’t get how their dad raised two shitheads like that. I don’t remember him in a bad way at all. This was a series where I wished both teams would lose.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:53 PM ^
Marshand is as big a shithead as the entire combined Tkachuk family.
April 30th, 2023 at 11:58 PM ^
You'll both be happy to know that Marchand was on the ice for the winner.
Keith Tkaczuk was a huge shit head himself. He was the guy that trashed the hockey dorm in Nagano.
Yes, Keith Tkachuk was chief shithead and had that stupid commercial in the 90s where he said he was named after the sound of a goal hitting the back of the net.
So “Keith” is the sound?
Maybe he meant Quief
April 30th, 2023 at 10:14 PM ^
Sorry, not sorry to see Boston lose.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:17 PM ^
Nothing against most of the Bruins on an individual level, but I like seeing all the Boston teams lose.
I was probably traumatized by the Pistons' early stumbles against the Celtics. Then we all had to endure "Red Sox Nation" (which I'll never understand). If it weren't for Brady I probably would've disliked the Patriots, too.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:14 PM ^
As always, the first round of the playoffs has been terrific ... except the part about the Leafs winning.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:19 PM ^
I was really looking forward to the meltdown from Leafs fans when they lost in the first round again. Thoroughly disappointed they got by Tampa.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:43 PM ^
Yeah, I probably should passionately dislike the Maple Leafs too, but being that the closest I've ever lived to Detroit was either Midland or Battle Creek, I just haven't built up a lifetime of hatred towards them.
OTOH, I find that hating the Avs is every bit as easy and natural as hating aOSU and hating Staee!
April 30th, 2023 at 11:23 PM ^
I may be in the minority on this but I wish the Wings were still in the western conference. I miss the rivalries with the Avs and Blackhawks. I just don’t have that much hatred for TOR, MTL or TBL. Plus the Wings kicked ass in the WC. Sure, staying up to 1 AM for some road games sucked on occasion but I’d take that if it meant the Wings were competing for Cups again and playing meaningful games.
Wings would not be competitive in the West with this current roster. They still have quite a few years. They are just not that talented, nor are they very big or strong or fast. Yzerman has a mess on his hands that he inherited.
I disagree. The East is the much stronger conference, top to bottom, and will be for awhile.
The only intimidating team out West is Edmonton, and that's just because of McDavid.
Vegas, Dallas, and Colorado are all very good and I think you're sleeping on all of those teams. They will be good teams for a while and have good cores.
Wings played 35 games against the West this year. They won 17 in regulation, lost 12 in regulation, and lost 6 in OT. I have always hated getting a point for OT. They scored 115 goals against the West while giving up 114.
Against the West's top 4 teams, they played Colorado twice, lost both games in regulation, scored 4 goals, and gave up 11. Against Dallas, they played 2 games, and lost 1 in regulation and lost 1 in OT. Scored 3 goals, gave up 9. Against Edmonton, they played twice, won 1 in regulation and lost one in regulation. Scored 7 goals and gave up 9. And against Vegas, same record as Edmonton, but they scored 4 and gave up 6.
These aren't exactly outcomes that are making think the Wings would compete or do appreciably better in the West. Like bottom line, I don't think the roster as constructed is a cup contending team or even a team that could come close to doing what Florida just did.
Wings are still trying to get out of the mess Holland and Co. left them in (I realize he had his mandates). I guess I just don't really value making the playoffs as an 8 and getting trounced. I'd rather patiently rebuild. That really only began in earnest in with the 2019-2020 season.
Toronto Detroit was a great rivalry in the old Norris. Also Detroit was the most east team in the west so the travel was a nightmare for them vs many other teams. And 10:30 pm starts weren't ideal for fans. I do miss the blackhawks rivalry.
The East matchups are certainly not as intense as Colorado, Chicago and others, but I think that's just a reflection of how much the Wings have sucked in the East.
It only took a few playoff series to suddenly have issues with Phoenix, Anaheim and San Jose. Same will happen with East teams whenever the Wings get back into the playoffs on a regular basis. I can't wait for Detroit-Toronto to become a thing again. Detroit still owes them for 1993. F'in' Borschevsky....
Good points. Hell, it only took one playoff series with Colorado for us to hate them for a generation.
Exactly Comrade. We had intense rivalries in the West when there were stakes. We will have intense rivalries in the East when there are stakes again. Can you imagine a division championship series against MTL, BOS, TOR? Conference finals against PIT, PHL, NYR? Bring it!
April 30th, 2023 at 11:24 PM ^
I agree with this so much I am almost tearing up.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:46 PM ^
i'm kind of rooting for toronto. as a wings fan i realize there is some rivalry there, but + 1 original six team; +1 haven't won since dinosaurs roamed the earth; +1 love those old time, non-gimicky uni's.
as an aside, seattle just scored on the avs in game 7. go seattle, avs should lose for the next century or two. they're the buckeyes of the NHL, at least for us wings fans.
If the Wings aren’t competitive, I root hard for the Maple Leafs. Their dry streak is just ten years shorter than the Lions. And their old school logo and unis are awesome.
No one wants a dry steak.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:46 PM ^
Comment very fitting of your avatar and username!
April 30th, 2023 at 10:17 PM ^
Now time for me to root for Seattle. Not only do I still hate the Avs, but my niece and her husband live in the Seattle metro area and share a set of season tickets with another couple.
GO KRAKEN!
April 30th, 2023 at 10:21 PM ^
Despite liking individual Avs players, I can’t not see pieces of crap like Lemieux, Roy, Foote, and the like when I see the Avs play. I will root against them to my dying days.
Their fanbase is a piece of crap and reporters here have started calling Denver the "real" hockeytown.
There's still plenty of fodder out there to hate the Avs.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:30 PM ^
The hate for the Avs will NEVER end!
My nephew went to school in Seattle last year and went to games so he became a fan
April 30th, 2023 at 11:07 PM ^
Fuck the Avs always and forever.
I am not from Michigan, so I don't have the same passionate hatred of the Avs (except for Lemieux, of course), but MacKinnon and Rantanen were the only guys really stepping up, so they didn't really deserve to win. Seattle played much more of a team game, and Grubauer was just awesome to watch.
I normally don't root for expansion teams (they should have to wait 50+ years to win the cup, if ever, like my Sabres), but I like what Seattle has done, and they have Beniers. The only downside is that the Eberle hit on Cogliano was so dirty and dangerous. He should have been suspended, IMO.
At least the winner this year will be someone that hasn't done it in a while.
Fair payback for Makar dirty hit on McCann in game 3 imo. He hasn't played since.
GO KRAKEN!
I was with you until I saw a Seattle fan wearing an octopus hat last night.
April 30th, 2023 at 10:27 PM ^
Shocked but happy as long as Florida beats the Leafs.
FLA beating TOR actually helps the Wings as their 2nd 1R pick moves up from 18 to 17 if FLA makes the ECF.