OT: WI supreme court strikes down governor's stay-at-home order
Posting this since MI (and most other states) have a similar dynamic playing out with respect to the conflict over state executive mandated lockdown/closures (to varying extents).
While there is a marked partisan political overtone to this (especially in WI and MI where Republican legislatures are fighting Democrat governors), nationally this is not an exclusive partisan issue (for example, OH Republican state legislature is fighting similar orders by the Republican governor). It is a more fundamental issue of defining the powers of a state's executive vs legislative branches during times or crisis (as well as what constitutes a time of crisis and how long it can last). This is getting into some uncharted waters since the nation is not at war, nor are the states under martial law - in a murky gray area that hasn't been much of an issue until late, especially at the state level.
I will not comment on whether the WI court's ruling was right or wrong (not sure there even is a "right" answer), but it is interesting to note that neither side in the case wanted to ruling to go into effect - a stay was requested by the plaintiffs in order to negotiate a compromise but the court refused. I'm not a professional legal scholar or practitioner, but I think that this recent health crisis will further define (or redefine) aspects of governing at all levels for years to come - with this ruling being the first of many to come (and many likely to be conflicting).
Interesting times.
Nah I’m good. I tried that when I was younger.
Fuck Republicans.
At least you're willing to admit you're a bigot; that's very commendable. Not many people are honest about their own failings. One would hope you'd try to improve, but I have a feeling that's a bit too much, bigots are so simple-minded after all.
Nah I just follow logic and what the numbers tell me. Those studies point to a party that believes in propaganda and bullshit.
So naturally it revolts me. As I said before I voted for Romney. Those Republicans are extinct. Shame.
"As I said before I voted for Romney." Wow! But then, someone else said they were a Democrat and you called them a liar.
I don't care if you think ill of a political party. I care that you think yours is somehow not up to its own neck in, "propaganda and bullshit".
National politics is buried in propaganda and bullshit, never doubt that. All of it. There's a rare ray of light that escapes because at its core it's supposed to be a source of good, but it's piled up deep in so much bullshit that politicians on both sides swim in it. The key is not in thinking that your side is lily white, but calling out the fecal piling from any source. And before you say it, NO, again NO, neither side is failing to do it's share of that scat tossing. That you think so is what defines you as a bigot.
The 50/50 split bullshit is always the fall back when fence sitting cowards like you want to blame everyone to shirk the feeling of being "mean" to people.
Right now, in this country, Republicans are the creating vast majority of the issues on the federal level of government. 10-20 years from now when we see the after-effects of these incompetent people, you will come right back and say the same shit.
The amount of data that is hidden under this administration b/c of how terrified it is that the public will actually see the benefit of how govt intertwines with our daily lives is a travesty. It is sabotage and people like you are fine with it as long as people are "civil."
The only silver lining here is that these agencies have enough competence left over from prior administrations to navigate themselves for a time being.
You claim that you're a member of the party that claims one of it's foundational concepts is its open-mindedness - and claim that anyone who isn't closed-minded to the other party is a coward... That's a ... challenging logical stand to make. I hope you'll understand when I continue to call you a bigot.
Right now, the Republicans are in charge Federally. Obviously, they can do whatever they want with no repercussions, as Trump has shown with things such as commandeering PPE from states, freeing Flynn, etc. They decided to put the onus on the states, so they can shift blame amongst Governors and legislators of the opposition party, as opposed to trying to control it federally. They aren't even providing proper guidelines for each state to try and get on the same page. Its a free for all because our national leaders want it to be. Yes, Pelosi is a crazy elitist bitch, but she has basically no power right now, so its useless to direct anger at her.
This country needs a leader, but our leader is currently an under qualified man child. Jeb Bush would have handled this better. So would Marco Rubio, Kasich, multiple other potential Republican noms. There are plenty of Democrats who would have handled it better as well. Unfortunately, we have someone who currently does not have the common mans best interest in mind (not because he wants to reopen, but because no steps were taken to making a reopening safe). His party is not taking charge where he isn't because they are beholden to him and his supporters. Its really depressing.
double post :(
18 U.S. Code § 242 (which supersedes any State law under the Supremacy Clause), would seem to pose a problem for our Governor, notwithstanding the novel coronavirus:
"Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death."
There is a law tho, so' color of law' does not apply.
Here's our constitution:
The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."
The purpose of government is.... not what you say it is just because you say it.
Who's downvoting a direct quote from the constitution! I want answers!!
Freedom means the you have the right to make your own determinations...and suffer the consequences of said determinations. Risk is a normal part of daily life. People who don’t want to die from lung cancer tend not to smoke. It’s not a guarantee, but it helps your odds.
Just like I’d not think smoking should be illegal, I also think they should be allowed to risk their own health however they want as well. I’m happy to let my wife and kids stay home, while I take the brunt of the risk of infection while going to my “essential” job every day.
This whole thing should not be political, but both sides of the aisle are making it more so each day, and would likely be on opposite sides if they felt it would suit them.
The solution is to vote, get ppl who agree with you on issues to vote, win elected judgeships, governorships & the White House.
Then, when they appoint judges that rule in favor of your views, you don't call it partisan! That's the other team!
Wisconsin GOP already took a fat L when they lost their election during the peak of the pandemic for the State SC seat. They can keep taking these Ls for all I care.
Republican Party is trash and if you’re still voting for them, you’re trash.
I think they won 2 back on Tuesday, including flipping a dem seat in radical, alt-left California
There's more to that story, X. The seat was vacated by Katie Hill, who had been the first Democrat elected to that district in 30 years. Prior to that, it was Republican. So the optics may look like it was a huge, unexpected win, but really, it was back to business as usual. California does have pockets of conservatism.
"Radical, alt-left California" You are an actual psycho and it pains me you get to vote.
Cube needs to calm down a bit.
It's this type of attitude that drives us further apart. We need to come together as a country not five is further apart. This left right crap is preventing us from having a better response to this virus.
I should be a right wing voter. I’ll have lower taxes, more unhealthy people to look after thus more job opportunities and less govt bureaucracy in my life.
However, I have a conscious unfortunately.
How many bumper stickers do you have on your car that are not sports related?
This is great coming from you. You seem like a great person /S
