Cam

February 1st, 2024 at 2:30 PM ^

Meh. This is red meat for the fans, but in terms of actually resolving the issue, it's likely to backfire. Bureaucrats almost always dig in when criticized publicly.

MgoBlueprint

February 1st, 2024 at 2:40 PM ^

The courts and state legislatures were the ones that got us to this point and the ncaa put themselves in this position. The ncaa literally had years to craft something solid. They refused even after states started to adopt nil legislation. Fought NIL all the way to the Supreme Court where a historically divided Supreme Court was unified in ruling against the ncaa. 
 

The ncaa cobbled together some shoddy nil guidelines at the stroke of midnight to comply with the Supreme Court ruling. The issue with the collectives now is a result of the ncaa not creating actual bylaws to govern it.

The courts will continue to resolve the issue case by case and simultaneously erode the ncaa.

What I see backfiring is the signage punishment. The conference punished the program, not the ncaa. That situation gives us a glimpse of the post ncaa world

KRK

February 1st, 2024 at 2:45 PM ^

This is more than just public criticism. The states are suing the NCAA over this. And if the past court cases tell us anything, it's that the NCAA will be getting the backfire. This is just PR to let boosters know the school isn't going to put up with this while it works out in the courts. Too bad M doesn't have the chutzpah to do this.

FrankMurphy

February 1st, 2024 at 3:29 PM ^

It's a pretty extraordinary statement by a sitting AD. He's criticizing not just the investigation, but the NCAA itself.

Public backlash against the NCAA (not to mention all of the lawsuits the NCAA is facing) has hit a fever pitch. With conference realignment and all of the other massive changes occurring across the business landscape of collegiate athletics, the NCAA's power and credibility are at an all-time low. More and more Power 5 ADs and university presidents will begin making statements like this because they smell blood in the water.

UMVAFAN

February 1st, 2024 at 2:38 PM ^

This is phenomenal. He calls the NCAA out for breaking their own rules with the leaks to the press, and also calls them out for going after TN for violations that happen at nearly 100% of other campuses, and to top it off, call them out on poorly written and confusing rules. You could swap out NIL with “sign stealing” or “off campus scouting” and the message would ring the same. It must be nice to have an AD that doesn’t immediately capitulate and bend over.

NeverPunt

February 1st, 2024 at 2:44 PM ^

uh yeah but what about....

Manuel continued: "At the University of Michigan, all of us are committed to the highest standards of ethics and integrity for all members of our community. This is the same expectation I have of all coaches, staff, and student-athletes. Given ongoing investigation, I'll have no further comments at this time."

Catchafire

February 1st, 2024 at 2:44 PM ^

Well, they know that NIL rules are silly and make zero sense.  In our instance, everyone stole signs but the optics is what truly screwed us over and the PI hit job.

mitchewr

February 1st, 2024 at 2:46 PM ^

Holy shit...Wow. An AD with a fucking spine. About damn time. Can we fire Warde and hire this guy?? Like seriously, THIS is how you go to bat for your program. If I thought Warde was capable of learning something I'd advise him to take notes...

GoBlueSimon

February 1st, 2024 at 3:14 PM ^

That's a pretty ballsy statement considering his school broke the rules.  It's like they're saying they want the NCAA to enforce the rules, but not against them.

goblu330

February 1st, 2024 at 3:20 PM ^

This all sucks, and it is only going to get worse.

I'm really happy Michigan won the national championship in 2024 because I'm not sure I'm going to care by 2026.

LSAClassOf2000

February 1st, 2024 at 3:25 PM ^

I won't lie. This is the tack that I would rather Michigan have taken. 

One of my greatest fears sometimes is that we still have people in positions of power that care too much about the words of a dying institution.

Harball sized HAIL

February 1st, 2024 at 3:38 PM ^

It's just curious how the NCAA is flexing its muscles so hard.  Yeah we get it - you made a New Years Resolution and you've gone to the gym for 3 weeks in a row for the first time in years and are feeling really badass.  That's not the way it works fuckheads.  You got passed the fuck up and knocked the fuck out.  UofM is about the only school that didn't get the memo.

Warde is Kevin Bacon in Animal House getting paddled in the ass begging for more.

Catchafire

February 1st, 2024 at 4:03 PM ^

People need to slow down.  Every school is guilty of some sort of NIL fraud.  Especially O$U.  The problem in our case is that we had a clown on camera and a firm shitting on Michigan.

WestQuad

February 1st, 2024 at 4:19 PM ^

Cool Story Bro:  I live in Buffalo and I met Danny White at a UB football game.  He was my buddy's neighbor.  Danny White took over for Warde Manuel at UB.  Two very different approaches.  (I met Warde at a UB function as well.)

(Current UB AD Mark Alnutt has a kid on my son's football team.  Nice guy too.)

username03

February 1st, 2024 at 7:59 PM ^

There are two types of rules in college football, administrative rules, let’s call them cheeseburger rules, and financial rules, let’s call them prime rib rules. College football, like real life, punishes cheeseburger rules much more harshly than prime rib rules. This has, thus far, been backed by the courts.

Michigan chose, probably wisely, to not take a cheeseburger case to court. Tennessee, on the other hand, chose to take a prime rib case to court, probably also wisely.

BlueHills

February 1st, 2024 at 8:26 PM ^

Michigan has a great academic reputation, and a high academic ranking. Tennessee has a low ranking, 105th. They have less prestige and fewer resources.

Sports are all they've got.

Michigan depends on the goodwill of its reputation, and gets gigantic research money due to the institution's prestige. It took 200 years to get where it is among universities. That's the power of a reputation for being a place where intelligent people operate.

As utterly stupid a media circus as Signgate was, the University's reputation took a hit. And not just because of the violation; also because the Conor Stalions 'organization' was easily one of the dumbest ideas in the history of sports. We were a laughingstock. People were snickering that our brilliant school, Michigan, had an idiot like that guy employed in any capacity.

I can understand the University's powers being reluctant to draw more attention to how absolutely stupid an employee of the university could be, through the continuation of litigation that would be reported in the media day after endless day. I litigated for many years. I think the chances of winning were slim, and Michigan would have even more egg on its face if they lost. Bad factual circumstances = bad court results.

To stir that pot of shit stew even more to make a coach feel vindicated, even a great one, even a champion, would be the tail wagging the dog.

Does this mean I think the Big Ten was right? Hell no. I've said Michigan should leave, and nothing involved in the championship makes me think the Big Ten didn't take a gigantic dump on our school, because they certainly did. The NCAA is a joke. They're garbage, too, though we're stuck with them as long as other schools can't play non NCAA teams.

However, there are times it's better PR to acknowledge an error and move on.

BleedThatBlue

February 1st, 2024 at 8:56 PM ^

I’m torn. On one hand I love to see other schools destroy the NCAA because of their hypocrisy, and ineptitude of doing nothing while claiming they’re a full governing body. They deserve to rot as they pick and choose whom they’re going to go after. On the other hand, this lawsuit has way bigger implications for the NIL front. We thought it was Wild Wild West now? The remaining little rules that NCAA had in place will now cease to exist, therefore payments becoming way more rampant. This is opening the floodgates all the way. 
 

This is where the issue with Warde comes into play. Asides from his spineless mantra and lack of true leadership, his utter denial in paying players is an elitist approach that has no self-awareness with how college football is being ran today. Seth and Brian on the roundtable articulately said it best. Brian is completely right in the notion it’s pay for work, not pay for play. I think that’s why coming off a championship a lot of the fanbase are up and arms because UM’s so called “leaders and best” are not adapting with times. If they want Michigan to be irrelevant in sports and focus on the educational institution, they did a great job with Warde publicly stating the future on Michigans NIL. Not even asking big high donor money is just embarrassing. 
 

Tin hat theory: I personally believe Harbaugh would have stayed a couple more years. Harbaugh would have been the leader to make sweeping changes across CFB. The TV deals and giving the money to players was a thorn in NCAA’s side so they conspired to turn every stone to force Harbaugh to leave. Not to say the dream job also didn’t fall into his lap either, but I think things would have been way different If this crap didn’t come out. 
 

Why can’t Leaders and Best start an actual policy to wrap this all in, and uh, actually lead? Why not be the forefront of change when we all know this is just not sustainable? 

Amazinblu

February 2nd, 2024 at 9:05 AM ^

I think your point of leadership his on the mark.   My question is - would the “revenue sharing from media agreements” be more effective at a conference level rather than an institution / single school.

There are notable issues with this - one of which is - Title IX.

I’ve always suggested the B1G as a conference take the lead and develop an approach which would apply to all the conference teams.  Your suggestion - that Michigan draft an approach to address this is “new” to me - and, I support it.   Michigan can create a revenue sharing solution / approach that includes Title IX, revenue / non revenue generating sports, etc.    Once created - see if there are any legal ramifications - specifically to conform with Title IX, and if it passes muster - implement it.  Then if the B1G or other schools adopt it - sobeit.  Michigan’s approach might become a standard.

Go Blue!

ChampsoftheWest

February 2nd, 2024 at 3:23 AM ^

The issue as others have noted, is not just that the NCAA is trying to adjudicate NIL. It’s that their “laws” if you will are not applied equally and they cherry pick less competitive schools to go after than the Bamas and Ohio States. This is the main issue and the Tennessee AD summarized it perfectly.

Amazinblu

February 2nd, 2024 at 8:56 AM ^

It seems the TN AD is focusing on a few things.  First - the NCAA contradicting their own policy of commenting on an activity (such as an investigation).  Second, the lack of clarity associated with certain NCAA rules and guidelines.

The position that “everyone is doing it” does not make it right.  It means the NCAA is enforcing things selectively.  And, the NCAA documentation is unclear.

This leads to a question or two.  One, what rule Tennessee alleged to have violated - and, Tennessee might be entering the “repeat offender” zone.  Second, what Advanced Scouting guideline / rule did Michigan allegedly violate.

The NCAA is judge, jury, and executioner - which selectively interprets and enforces poorly written guidelines.  

The primary concern I have with the alleged Advanced Scouting accusation is - what NCAA rule was broken?   To my knowledge - there was a great deal of “subjectivity and interpretative” with a rule that the NCAA almost removed on its own.  So, what rule / guideline was allegedly broken?

I haven’t checked local laws, but - I assume most municipalities have laws against Jaywalking and Littering which is fine, it’s the law.  There can be questions about the “need” for any law and its enforcement.    And a question.  Let’s say I buy a soda with ice at The Brown Jug.. it’s served in a paper cup - since my order is “to go”.  I finish the soda as I walk through the Diag.  I take the top off of the cup, throw the ice on the grass and dispose the cup and lid in a recycle able trash bin.  Have I broken any law?