OT: Oakland Hills Golf Club Fire

Submitted by DTOW on February 17th, 2022 at 11:31 AM

Just seeing pictures on the internet of Oakland Hills clubhouse on fire.  Looks like the building will be a complete loss.  Pretty sad to lose something historic like that completely destroyed.  I've never been but its obviously a very well known place with a lot of history.  Sad to see.

xcrunner1617

February 17th, 2022 at 11:34 AM ^

Oh no! Now the extremely wealthy will have to find another place to congregate away from the plebs.

EDIT - Many of you have made some great points regarding how this effects many people employed at Oakland Country Club, in addition to the money brought into the local community during large tournaments. I apologize for my comments on this post and recognize I was/am being an asshole.  I let my own personal experiences and emotions get the best of me, and and will try to do better in the future. 

Hail_Yes

February 17th, 2022 at 11:50 AM ^

Yeah, this ain't it.  Oakland Hills is the most storied club in the state, and the building that is currently burning holds so much golf history and lore.  The course also is the best chance the state of Michigan has at hosting a major championship in the future, and this probably pushes the timeframe for that back several more years.

 

 

drjaws

February 17th, 2022 at 12:13 PM ^

No, not really. Because it really isn't a symbol of that unless you really go out of your way to make it one.

If you want to point out the history of the golf club from 30+ years ago (or more) maybe show some class and don't do it during a time when many not-rich folks of many ethnicities are watching their once stable jobs go up in smoke and ash.

Funny how people only want to point stuff like that out when tragedy strikes. Like they think something that happened 80 years ago justifies their happy feelings about a tragedy

michMADE

February 17th, 2022 at 3:49 PM ^

I knew someone would use the typical "IT'S NUANCED!" response lmao. It's not. It is what it is. No matter how many of the users who downvoted want to dance around it. 

People actually ARE thinking for themselves. And that's where the problem lies for some people. The Veil has been lifted off of certain sectors of society. And those that either have benefited or are a product of these certain sectors, have a problem with their "reality" crumbling. 

SalvatoreQuattro

February 17th, 2022 at 6:10 PM ^

Nuance does exist in life. In fact, life itself is almost completely nuanced.

People who think for themselves understand that life has  many experiences and perspectives.
 

To be frank I don’t particularly care that this golf club burned down. I don’t like golf. But I understand how integral golf is to this state and how much the sport is loved by people across class and ethnic lines. In view of that I feel bad that this happened.

I felt great sorrow when Notre Dame Cathedral burnt. Not because of religion, but because of the architectural and cultural history that building contains. It is being rebuilt, but it has lost part of it’s grandeur with the destruction of medieval stone and woodwork. That cannot be replaced.  The same holds here.

blue in dc

February 17th, 2022 at 7:25 PM ^

This is part of what the original post said “Pretty sad to lose something historic like that completely destroyed.  I've never been but its obviously a very well known place with a lot of history.”.  The history of most country clubs pretty much is centered around wealthy white males and for a very long time, almost everyone else was excluded.   Sexism and racism are a pretty integral part of the history of country clubs.   Oakland Hills for instance did not allow it’s first black member until 1990.  Since the club was founded in 1916, that means that for over 70% of its existence it had no black members.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s the people who created and ran the club and clubs like it who make it a good example of racism, not the people who point out the racism in it’s history.  People who can look at things in a nuanced way ought to be able to see that while the club has a tremendous amount of golf history, it’s history also includes some baggage.

 

notinmyhouse

February 17th, 2022 at 2:18 PM ^

I am just an old person living on a fixed income, but I do not begrudge the rich with what they have. Maybe they got some of it and not the best of ways, but there are many people of all classes who do this. It's sad that this building burned down to the ground with all the history in it.

Don

February 17th, 2022 at 12:12 PM ^

I'm sure I'm one of the more liberal people on this board, I don't golf, and am comically distant from being wealthy. I'd only get in the front door of OHGC if I was delivering pizza.

I still think the destruction of the building is terrible, especially from an architectural standpoint.

cKone

February 17th, 2022 at 12:13 PM ^

That's a great attitude for the people who suddenly find themselves out of work.  I came from lower, middle class family and spending my HS years working at Dearborn CC.  It gave me a way of taking care of myself that my family was unable to provide.  I knew many people in the kitchen that made their careers working the country clubs.  Just because you think the members deserve to have this destroyed, doesn't mean it doesn't affect the average Joe that counts on the establishment to live. 

1989 UM GRAD

February 17th, 2022 at 12:29 PM ^

Shitty take, xcrunner.

Is Oakland Hills a place that caters mostly to the wealthy?  Sure, but it's their choice to spend their money how they wish.

Plus, it's also a place that employs dozens or hundreds of people. 

And, it's hosted quite a few high-profile golf tournaments, which surely have brought in millions of dollars and positive publicity to our community.  

1989 UM GRAD

February 17th, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^

I don't understand this reflexive hate for the wealthy.

I know plenty of very wealthy people.  Many of them are wonderful, generous, kind, etc.

I know plenty of working/middle class people.  Many of them are ignorant, hateful, selfish, bigoted, etc.

One's financial status isn't necessarily predictive of one's virtue.

BlockM

February 17th, 2022 at 1:43 PM ^

I think there's a level of wealthy that's obscene and is mutually exclusive with being a wonderful, generous, kind person, but everyone's going to have different thoughts on what that level might be...

I personally wouldn't say "being a country club member" is at that level though, lol.

GoWings2008

February 17th, 2022 at 3:41 PM ^

Haven't seen much of this, but has anyone stopped to think how hard someone has to work to get to that point in their life/career/status? I work very hard, appreciate what I have and what I can do for my family. Work ethic comes from inside, goals you set are internal to motivation. Why is it that someone is attacked for working hard and making more of their world? Ever stop to consider how a lot of people of means probably started from humble beginnings?

They don't give away memberships to these clubs...and they don't give away money to be able to afford it. You have to work for it. Anyone who may have graduated from one of the toughest schools in the country would understand the value of hard work...