OT- Kenneth Walker to the draft

Submitted by gustave ferbert on December 16th, 2021 at 3:50 PM

Sitting out the peach bowl.  

 

I get the rationale but it really discounts bowl season short of the CFP

Castroviejo

December 16th, 2021 at 6:47 PM ^

The only problem I have with this line of thinking is…what game isn’t irrelevant?  If you take a bare bones, bottom line look at this line of thinking,  all college games are irrelevant. They’re just entertainment, beyond that they have no intrinsic value.   Hutchinson and Haskins could have said at the halfway point in the season, fuck it, I’ve proved my value already to the NFL, why should I risk injury playing Ohio State, especially in the snow? Where does this idea of sitting out games to avoid injury end?  The point is, each player made a commitment not only to themselves, but to their teammates and coaches to give their best effort in order to create a communal best effort.  Sitting out games is, in my worthless opinion, self absorbed and breaking said commitment.  If you told me bowls present a greater  risk of injury than a standard season game against Purdue, or whomever, you would then have a point, but I’m pretty sure that’s not true. Playing football in college should be about more than just making it to the NFL.  The comments from Jake Butt, Carlo Kemp, and others suggest it is for most players…
 

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Old guy yelling at you to get off my lawn

goblu307

December 16th, 2021 at 8:06 PM ^

Completely agree with you.  The one comment I hate hearing whenever players sit out these bowl games is "why risk injuring yourself for an exhibition game?"  Last I checked, these games still go in the record books towards your overall record and the end of season rankings.  I don't see this as much more than quitting on your team.  Otherwise, why not just sit out as soon your team is no longer in contention of a championship?

GoingBlue

December 16th, 2021 at 3:57 PM ^

They should just get rid of these games. MSU had their best season in many years, to go to this bowl game. This was beyond their wildest dreams to get to a NY6 bowl. Yet, their best player is not interested in playing?? In my opinion, games do not mean much of anything when teams best players pass on playing. I am not blaming players, I am blaming the people in charge for making it this way. Bowls used to matter, now they do not. 

For anyone that wants an expanded playoff, this would have been a better matchup than any of the 1st round match ups in the extended playoff scenarios, and the players are not even interested in this. 

AZBlue

December 16th, 2021 at 4:47 PM ^

Counterpoint — Kenneth Walker WOULD have played if this was part of an extended playoff even though it probably would have been a worse matchup.

FWIW - There are strong indications that Kenny Pickett won’t be participating for Pitt in this game either.  That would be 2 Heisman finalists skipping this game.

EDIT - I have been informed that the scenario above would only involve ONE Heisman finalists….. sorry for the error.

RGard

December 16th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^

I'm hoping Pickett does play.  Would love to watch him torch and incinerate Sparty's secondary.

Pitt is sort of my football back up team.  I grew up in Pittsburgh and cheered Pitt in the mid to late 70s.  No use for Narduzerini, but Oakland is a nice place.

bsand2053

December 16th, 2021 at 3:58 PM ^

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again even though it’ll never happen.  Let’s go back to pre BCS.  Bowls matter again.  If you find a poll that says you won a natty go ahead and claim it.  Felt this way ever since the 2018 Peach Bowl against Florida 

bronxblue

December 16th, 2021 at 4:05 PM ^

I mean, players would still sit out the bowl games where there wasn't a clear chance to claim a title.  MSU isn't going to be claiming anything with a win or a loss against Pitt, and so Walker would still have skipped it and gotten ready for the draft.

Non-playoff bowls should be viewed as basically a very early preseason game for the next year.

crg

December 16th, 2021 at 5:34 PM ^

So what is their motivation for playing "meaningless" conference games... e.g. MSU vs PSU this year?  A gaudy adventitious trophy against a team they have only been playing for a few years?  What is to stop any player from sitting our the season once any type of title is out of reach?  This entire trend is fundamentally selfish and against the spirit of being a team.  Forget the fans.  Forget the TV cameras.  Forget the rankings and any of the other tropes.  You either want to be with the team or you want to be a free agent - that's it.

Macenblu

December 16th, 2021 at 4:07 PM ^

I am not being aggressive when I ask this but please tell me how the Peach Bowl would've mattered in the pre-BCS system?  The reality is that games that didn't have possible National Champion implications then didn't really matter more than these games do now.  The only difference is that the players realized their worth and have decided that the cost/benefit of playing in the game isn't in their best interest.  I can't fault them.  Times have changed.  The college football  that we grew up with 20/30/40 years ago isn't coming back

GoingBlue

December 16th, 2021 at 4:35 PM ^

Well Michigan would be in the Rose Bowl, and OSU would be in the Peach Bowl. Now OSU would still probably not care about that game, but Michigan would care a lot about the Rose Bowl of course. 

I think if every team is just playing all season to 1. Win Individual games that have real meaning just on their own, and 2. Get to the best bowl possible. Then bowls have more meaning. Right now teams are playing to make the playoff, when most schools should not be thinking about the playoff at all. 

Pitt won their conference to get to the Peach Bowl, they should be fired up about this, if the playoff did not exist, they would be in the biggest game of their season.

FreddieMercuryHayes

December 16th, 2021 at 4:22 PM ^

Or expand the playoff.  Which is what will happen.  Then the big bowls will be playoff games.  Coudl do the idea of have the whole traditional old school bowl season, then one more National Championship game BCS style after it.  But you would still end up with some 3 loss team in a NY6 bowl that knows it can't make it to the final game going up against a team with everything on the line and that would create great imbalance.

I think the best idea would be, you know, let the players unionize, then make it part of their collective barganing agreement that they have to play less they face financial penalties or something.  But instead they'll expand the playoff.

Naked Bootlegger

December 16th, 2021 at 3:58 PM ^

Not surprising.   Makes total sense to skip the Peach Bowl when millions are potentially on the line.

I not-so-secretly hope that the traditional bowl scene withers and dies as more players opt out of the non-playoff bowl games.      

CWood2

December 16th, 2021 at 4:17 PM ^

It's just a product of a broken system.  These players are exposing that the bowls don't really mean anything outside of the top 4 teams.  It's a ludicrous system, so you are going to get stuff like this.  Absolutely can't blame the players, although it still hurts to see (as a fan) when they opt out.  But it's a classic example of don't hate the player, hate the game.  The NCAA has ensured that Division 1 college football is one of the only sports on the planet without a reasonable method to determine a champion.  Only allowing 4 out of almost 140 teams a shot?  Just ludicrous (although this year it does benefit Michigan because we are one of the four).  What sport is worse? At any level of competition?  I can't think of one. If we have a reasonable playoff system with 16 teams, then far less of this happens.  

It's interesting, but I don't recall NCAA basketball players opting out of playing in the NIT.  Maybe less of an injury risk in basketball?  I'm not sure.  But as long as the NCAA allows division 1 football to be so poorly constructed we will have to get used to 98% of teams having the risk of not having their best players participate in anything once the regular season is done.  

FreddieMercuryHayes

December 16th, 2021 at 4:18 PM ^

I know it's supposedly up in the air, but Pickett is going to sit out.  He would be silly not to.  Projected 1st rounder, heisman finalist, playing in an exhibition game so some suits make more money for themselves that he won't see.  Why would he play?

And the bowls created this system, so it's going to continue and they'll have to take their own medicine until they let players negotiote playing in bowls for money, or, they'll expand the playoffs so the NY6 bowls are all playoff games.

BlueMetal

December 16th, 2021 at 4:49 PM ^

Why would he play? Maybe to go play one last game with the guys who he's worked his butt off with all season to get to this point?

Im not saying he should play, or shouldn't play, and I won't criticize his decision either way. But to some of these guys, I imagine they'll play because it's something that's important to them. 

rob f

December 16th, 2021 at 4:06 PM ^

As well as we Michigan fans know from a few years ago in Atlanta vs Florida, bowl games played without key starting players are not likely to have happy endings.

And yet, this news about Walker leaves me feeling rather ''Peachy'' ??? inside. 

Am I wrong to have these feelings?

rob f

December 16th, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^

Sorry about stirring up the memory of that game.  I was there in Atlanta that weekend and enjoyed myself... except for the Peach Bowl game itself, which was one of the most uninspired performances I've ever seen from Michigan Football. Ugh.

And my userpic? That's from the WMU game and yes, taken from my 2nd home, my Big House seats in section 36.  For years I had used a B&W pic of Rick Leach & Bo, but I had deleted that one several months ago in the wake of the additional info being revealed about the Anderson scandal.

FreddieMercuryHayes

December 16th, 2021 at 4:12 PM ^

Most obvious declaration I could think of this bowl season.  

Honestly, they only way to stop this is to let the players unionize, then negotiate that they have to play in bowls as part of the deal.  But that will never happen, so this will continue to happen.  And I don't blame the players one bit.

Bowl season is now more, let's get a look at some young players and what our team next year might look like.  If you take that attitude, it's not a bad way to view exhibition games.

Golden section

December 16th, 2021 at 4:19 PM ^

I wonder if that swing the betting line to Pitt?

 

Kenny Pickett hinted he wasn't playing and the line move 4 points toward MSU. Now Walker is out and Pickett might be in the line is sure to move back.

Jump now!

GRBluefan

December 16th, 2021 at 4:33 PM ^

He is a hell of a RB and fun to watch.  I have no idea if I will end up watching the Peach Bowl, but if I do, my enjoyment level will be lessened for his lack of participation. 

M-Dog

December 16th, 2021 at 5:00 PM ^

Wow, the sit-out phenomenon is even reaching NY6 bowl games.  It's sad.

Oh well, use it to reward the underclassmen who would be excited to play.  One of the Big Ten coaches was quoted as saying that he views the bowls as not the end of the current season, but the start of the next season.  He has a point.  

When the CFP goes to 12 teams, the bowls will be completely dead.  

Blau

December 16th, 2021 at 5:12 PM ^

Waiting for the rule that NIL contracts come with stipulations like "you must play x amount of games" to get your $$. Really only a matter of time.