OT - It was 15 years ago...
...that Tay blocked Reggie Miller. (Actually the anniversary was yesterday, but close enough.)
Best block ever - and one of 26 (!) in this game. The old NBA, before the weaponization of the three.
The block was clean!
Also I’m looking at how low the score is compared to how games are today. Just crazy.
Today we would be looking at 69-67 with about 9:00 left to go in the 3rd Qtr!
It's interesting how that affected the dynamics of basketball. In that low-scoring era, that classic Rip Hamilton curl to an elbow jumper was an efficient play, because the per-possession scoring averages (which aren't easy to locate, btw) were lower. So a play that nets 1 ppp then is more valuable than a play that nets the same ppp now.
The 2004 Pistons had one guy (Billups) with an o-rating above 110. Different era.
too soon
hell YEAH i'll watch that again.
How in the WORLD is Jermaine O'Neal's face after that NOT a meme yet
Second most famous after Lebrons against Iggy
but holy shit 69-67 in the end of the 4th?
Thats the half time score these days especially with the new 14 second offensive rebound shot clock and the 3 hahahaha
It was crazy to think how not uncommon it was for those Larry Brown Detroit teams to hold its opponents under 70 points .
They were a fantastic defensive team but couldn't do that today. The 3 has massively opened up the game. In 2004, even though the 3 had been around for a quarter century in the NBA, it was still basically viewed as a gimmick by the average coach. Beilein had just finished his second year at West Virginia. There were 26 blocks in this game because teams kept trying to score in a clogged paint.
Then that summer, the US was humbled in the Olympics as our opponents rained threes on us.
2004 Team USA Basketball was a disaster. Glad they turned that program around.
It should have hit sooner than that after the US was humiliated in the 2002 FIBA championship. It's kinda amazing how nobody in the US understood the value of 3-pointers or post play then.
It wasn’t a gimmick in 2004. Teams shot a lot of threes. It wasn’t as much of a part of the game as it is today, but it wasn’t like this “once in a while” thing. Sheed would put up 7-8 threes in a game some times himself.
People hated it, too, even though he was actually a decent 3-point shooter. That same volume today would be actively touted as a plus.
Who hated it? Sheed from deep was the deal.
I did, only because in the 05 Finals Sheed could back Duncan down at will but seemed more content to chuck up threes.
Everyone would hate it until he made it l. Be real dude
Yeah, but Sheed had Federov syndrome where he could dominate like a fucking superboss when he felt like it but too often coasted. Duncan could not stop Sheed's post moves. He'd score a few in the paint against him then only shoot 3s the rest of the game.
He was a pretty good 3 point shooter. I am being real. They never had a coach who discouraged him from shooting threes. That was a pretty big part of his game. This take is confusing to me.
Sorry for the confusion, I realize Sheed was a good 3 point shooter. I'm not saying he shouldn't take them. Only that his post up game was pretty much unstoppable when he wanted it to be. I think the Pistons win the 05 finals with a little different game plan. Just my 2 cents...
True, attempts were increasing, and some guys had the green light to put them up. But coaches were still slow to make it a feature of their offenses. When guys like Sheed would put up threes, it was often freelancing outside the offense - and they would be knocked for their "undisciplined" play.
The contrast with the teams we faced in the Olympics, who built their offenses around the three and had pretty much everyone shooting them (not just the designated couple of shooters), was striking at the time. European big guys were shooting threes while their US counterparts were glued to the paint.
The NBA changing the rules after the Pistons won is why there is more scoring today. Has very little to do with the three pointer.
OK, first I'm amazed you're still allowed to post after THIS. But anyway...
Here's the box score from this game. You'll notice that the Pistons shot a ton of free throws (34). So did the Pacers (24). The refs called plenty of fouls. What the teams didn't do was make threes - they shot a combined 5 for 25 from downtown. The Pistons only attempted five all game! That, you won't see in today's NBA.
Sorry you can't handle the truth and things that are not politically correct. About the NBA, after scoring went down (and ratings for that matter) the league decided to open it up for offensive players by not allowing hand checking and restricting more of what defenders could do.....that is why so few threes were made at that time. You really think Billups and Miller couldn't just light it up in today's game?
Ahhhh. Defense. A novel concept. I miss those days.
If that happened in 2019, Reggie Miller would have thrown himself to the floor like he'd been shot and a foul would have been called. Miss the old NBA.
“Reggie Miller would have thrown himself to the floor like he'd been shot”...and started crying...
I think he would've back then too, but didn't think he had to cuz he thought he made the shot.
Shocked Reggie!
They ought to dub in his voice whining, bitching and moaning about a phantom foul...
Reggie was known for doing that in 2004.
Logged on to say the same thing. Anyone complaining about flopping in the game today while holding reggie fucking Miller up as the ideal never watched him actually play.
What a dumb take. Reggie Miller is in the Hall of Flop Fame.
Best defensive team ever. No one beats them in a seven game series. They lost a lot of key role players from this team.
The Pistons (Bad Boys) of the late 80's early 90's were better defensively and were the better overall team.
The 04 team had amazing chemistry. Go to work pistons set records defensively post Rasheed trade. The bad boys played really physical and were better offensively. They were great defensively too, but these pistons were the best ever defensively.
I’m impressed this idiot is still going. Scary to think that a bunch of immature inbreds like this dude have a say in who runs the government. Smh.
Edit: Troll got banned. Thanks mods!
You took the bait.
Idc.
The fact that this guy hasn’t been banned yet after the Bajema thread is ridiculous.
Edit: thanks mods!
You do realize that mods are volunteers, right? If it bothers you that much, maybe YOU could volunteer to keep the blog safe from the dreaded trolls.
What in the hell does that have to do with anything? Name me one board that pays moderators? Hey you volunteered therefore it's crazy to expect someone to do the thing they volunteered for properly? Cannot stand when people trot out the volunteer excuse for why this place is poorly moderated. Its poorly moderated because no one gives a shit.
do you think it might be possible that our mods have lives and families and activities other than the blog? or do you think that for this unpaid, thankless 'honor' they should monitor this mess 24/7/365? tell me what other volunteer jobs compare to that, and while you're at it, can you please list the stuff you volunteer for.
Yep I'm sure they do have families and lives but id also guess that at some point in the last 24 hours or so they've posted (they have) or have been online in some matter and could have dealt with the blatant nonsense. Im not sure what I volunteer for has to do with anything but in my small town here in indiana I volunteer 12 hours a week at St. Martin's which is a soup kitchen/food pantry that serves the economically disadvantaged in the community of which there are plenty in this community. Again not sure what that has to do with the board being poorly moderated.
I can't speak for the other mods, but I really only read a statistical sampling of the threads beyond the ones that I post in. I am always open to people using social media to let me know about wayward users and threads, and many people have done so and much of that is addressed ASAP. It's pretty unreasonable to expect any of us to read the whole board, or indeed even most of it depending on the day.
I have no complaints about how this blog is run, but it might help the moderators if you introduced a flagging system. Then again, it might be rife for abuse.
first, please pardon me for my cynicism, but i have trouble believing you volunteer 12 hrs/wk, and if you do, please tell me about your job and your wife and kids at home.
second, if the mods are going to live up to your standards and you are going to avoid being called a hypocrite, you'll need to be volunteering 24/hrs day, 7 days a week, 365 days/year. say good bye to your job and family, but i sincerely applaud the effort.
third, the mods do a fine job. notice that the offending poster in this thread is buh-bye? happy now?
Well it doesn't really matter to me whether you believe me or not. I volunteer from 7 am to 11am Monday through wednesday. I work my job (loss prevention district manager for a retailer) from 1 to 9 or 10 on Monday through Wednesday. Thursday's and Fridays are generally 8 am to 6 pm shifts with most weekends free. My average work week is around 48 hours give and take. I'm married and have two kids one 10 one 8. I don't get to spend a lot of time with them early in the week but with most weekends open we have lots of time together. I have no reason to lie about this. No one here knows me personally nor do I have a rep or am a known poster. There's plenty of time during the week and I try to make the most of it. Also if you saw the community I live in you would understand the importance of volunteering to me personally. I live in one of the poorest communities in the poorest county in the state. My wife and I fortunate to have a nice home on one of the few good streets in town so I try and give back. I'm no saint and not better than anyone because of it but it is the truth whether you would like to believe it or not.
jesson, genuine kudos to you if you're keeping that schedule.
my point still stands though re: mods get paid nothing and none of us would work that soup kitchen 24/7, which is basically what you were demanding of the mods.
I never even clicked on the bajema thread, if you’re referring to me. I thought the title was self explanatory so I didn’t read further into it. Unless my account was hacked and you are talking about me, I personally never went on that thread
I’m not referencing you. The user was banned luckily thanks to the mods.
Gotcha. I missed all the fun I guess. MIA from the blog for a couple days and miss it