OT: Florida loses to LSU (and first-time starter QB)
December 12th, 2020 at 11:01 PM ^
Amazing to see a team win as an underdog. Do not remember that feeling.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:02 PM ^
And missing 3 of their starting corners. Must be nice.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:11 PM ^
LSU only had 54 scholarship players dressed and still upset Florida on the road. Were you watching Jim???
December 12th, 2020 at 11:24 PM ^
With a true freshman quarterback!
December 13th, 2020 at 9:37 AM ^
No no no, I’ve been assured on this board that you can’t win with a true freshman anything. You’re obviously mistaken
December 13th, 2020 at 11:57 AM ^
I thought we were upset because we should have hired Dan Mullen but he just lost at home to a short handed team with a freshman QB.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:02 PM ^
I thought untying JK Dobbins' shoe was dumb.
Throwing it was unfathomably stupid, I'm glad Florida lost.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:18 PM ^
I loved the ref call on the penalty:
“After the play was over , unsportsmanlike conduct. Number 11 (was actually #3). The player took his shoe and threw it twenty yards down the field” ?
December 12th, 2020 at 11:03 PM ^
God, Dan Mullen sucks. Glad we didn't hire that guy.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:05 PM ^
What makes you think to throw a shoe with playoff hopes on the line?
December 12th, 2020 at 11:06 PM ^
Enlarged medulla oblongata, obviously.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:08 PM ^
Geaux Gators!
December 12th, 2020 at 11:16 PM ^
Mullen still has as many playoff appearances as Harbaugh
December 12th, 2020 at 11:22 PM ^
True...He’ll also have more conference championship game appearances and division titles, and has his team on an upward trajectory...
December 12th, 2020 at 11:39 PM ^
If Ohio State was in the SEC East, he would have the same number of championship game appearances, conference championships, and national championships as Jim Harbaugh.
Instead, Mullen gets to beat the likes of Tennessee, Kentucky, and a Georgia team on their 3rd or 4th QB to get to a title game. After next week, he’ll be 8-3 just like Harbaugh is every year.
December 13th, 2020 at 8:26 AM ^
And? I don’t see it as a completely different situation. UGA had been recruiting at a very high level, so it’s not like they’re a cakewalk, this year they’re still ranked in the top 10. And do you think we’d beat UK or UT? I don’t. Plus I don’t think Mullen is getting paid like $8M per year?
I don’t mind Harbaugh, not saying we should move on, but I would expect when you’re paying elite money for a coach that they produce a better product on the field than what we’ve been seeing. He needs to really shake up the staff and get back to the guy that UM hired.
December 13th, 2020 at 9:52 AM ^
We play Rutgers, Maryland, IU (usually just meh) and lately a meh to bad MSU every year plus Illinois or some other crap West team. We've literally lost to OSU on their 3rd string QB before so...
December 13th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^
We also have to play Wisconsin every year.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:17 PM ^
This all but guarantees the four playoff teams to be Alabama, ND, Clemson, and OSU.
The only interesting scenario is if ND beats Clemson again in the ACC championship game and then Texas A&M sneaks in.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:24 PM ^
If Clemson smokes ND, which could very well happen, and A&M may sneak in because ES EEEE SEEEE.
December 13th, 2020 at 9:13 AM ^
I don't know if Clemson can smoke ND this year (ND is pretty good and Clemson isn't great), but I do see a world where Clemson wins by 10 or 14 and the committee stares at A&M's shiny (checks math) 2-1 record against teams with a winning record and falls head over heels with having 2 SEC teams in for some dumb reason. By comparison, ND would be 4-1 even with a Clemson loss.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:26 PM ^
Florida beats Bama. Gets into the playoff along with Bama. Clermson beats ND, but both still get in. OSU gets left out because they don't have the resume nor the volume of wins.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:28 PM ^
I guess I was thinking about, what I assume, are the potential realistic outcomes. It would be awesome if Florida smoked Bama, but that seems like a fantasy.
December 13th, 2020 at 12:28 AM ^
Florida has the offense to hang with Bama, despite tonight's shitshow. The defense though? Worse Florida defense maybe this century and just some outright idiotic calls by Grantham--corner blitzes through slot WRs?
Florida will play better next week, but how are they holding Bama under 45?
December 12th, 2020 at 11:18 PM ^
The shoe throw was moronic but the timeout Mullen called when they tackled LSU in the field of play with about 22 seconds left and they would've been scrambling to get their fg unit on the field and get the kick off was even more moronic.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:20 PM ^
Not at all. It was the smart choice. It saved them 25 seconds to let their Heisman QB go to work, get them in FG-range, and have a go for the tie.
LSU had 20+ seconds; they were not going to be “scrambling” to get the FG unit on.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:24 PM ^
I disagree. They wouldve gotten it off but they would have been pressed more and it was from 57 yards. Much easier to kick coming out of a timeout than when you are running everyone onto the field and getting them in place.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:26 PM ^
I don’t know. I still disagree. LSU’s kicker is money, one of the best in CFB. Sure perhaps you subtract the timing factor, but there’s added pressure after a timeout (icing the kicker). I still think it was the correct decision to take the timeout. The 25+ seconds of insurance time gives you a chance if they make it. But I see where you’re coming from.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:30 PM ^
I get your side as well. Obviously the shoe throw put all of this in play.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:27 PM ^
Not sure, Pat Fitzgerald still has fire drill fg nightmares
December 13th, 2020 at 11:22 AM ^
Actually - even more moronic was Mullen's play calling. LSU downs that punt at the 1 and then FL throws 3 bombs in the fog and punts from the 1 - setting the stage for the rest of the game.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:22 PM ^
Welp Mullen is off the list!
December 12th, 2020 at 11:24 PM ^
with fans in the stands. great game. fun to watch. go football
December 12th, 2020 at 11:34 PM ^
Fire Dan Mullen.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:34 PM ^
These are the games that drive me nuts. Florida was a 23 point favorite, but LSU won. When has Michigan ever beaten someone when we are a huge underdog? Or even a 14 point underdog? I cannot remember even one instance of it happening in the last 50 years. You would think it would happen by accident from time to time.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:45 PM ^
Agreed. Can’t see Harbaugh beating #6 Florida, on the road, in a terrible fog, as a 23 point underdog. But oh wait, we lost to a middling MSU team in a monsoon and were 30 point dogs to OSU this year.
Geaux Tigers.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:51 PM ^
1996 vs OSU, I would guess
Maybe 2008 vs Wisconsin
Edit: I checked and the Michigan/OSU spread in '96 was OSU -17.
The '08 spread was only Wisconsin -4.5, despite Wisconsin being a "Top 10 team" at the time, so that doesn't qualify.
December 13th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^
I'll add the 2007-08 Citrus Bowl vs Florida (with Urban Meyer and Tebow) as a notable upset win. In Carr's last game Michigan won (dominated, really, if not for turnovers) as 10.5 point underdogs.
But yes, that's the only time since '96 they've won as double digit underdogs (1-10 straight up).
For comparison, Harbaugh has lost four such games: -24 to Iowa in 2016, -12 to S Carolina in the 2018 Outback Bowl, -12.5 to MSU in 2017 and -21.5 to MSU in 2020. He's 38-4 in those games, so it *is* a similar percentage of upsets (~10%), but Michigan's average spread as favorites is also likely to be significantly higher. Harbaugh is 24-4 as a 10-24 point favorite.
Moving the bar down to 7 points: Michigan has lost 17 straight as 7+ point underdogs, dating to that Citrus Bowl. They are 5-12 ATS in those games.
Dating back to '98, Michigan is 1-20 as TD or more underdogs, dating to a 12-9 in Iowa City at +9. The '95 OSU win was also +9.
Harbaugh is winless as an underdog at Michigan (0-11), and Michigan has lost 18 straight as any kind of underdog, dating back to the 2013 Northwestern (Dileo slide FG) game at +2.5. Others: +1 at Illinois in 2011 and +3.5 vs ND (UTL) in 2011, +3.5 at ND in 2010.
Side note: UM is 2-10-1 ATS against Wisconsin since 2000
Oh and OSU is 7-1 *straight up* in their last 8 games as an underdog. Meyer was 6-0, including of course his last Big 10 game.
December 13th, 2020 at 8:14 AM ^
2013 vs OSU. Two point conversion.......never mind, we ran the same play after showing what we were going to do before the timeout
December 13th, 2020 at 7:20 AM ^
Eh, I'm sure throwing the shoe wasn't the sole reason they lost the game.
40+ comments? Man. I'm dissappointed in all of you.
December 13th, 2020 at 7:21 AM ^
Yup. Even Cajun Brady Hoke wins games he’s not supposed to. He earned that title back this year after it was clear he just caught lightning in a bottle last year.
When was the last time Michigan football won anywhere, with any coach, as an underdog? Florida ‘08? Wisconsin ‘08? That all plays into the persona Michigan has of being a highly predictable program.
December 13th, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^
The upsets mostly come from the Carr years....
2008 Capital One Bowl
2006 Notre Dame
2005 MSU (First time in 37 years that Sparty was favored to win).
2000 Orange Bowl
1999 Penn State
1998 Penn State
1997 Penn State
1996 Ohio State
1996 Colorado
RichRod's best wins were over 8-5 Notre Dame, 7-6 Minnesota and 7-6 Illinois (which went into triple overtime.) I assume we were underdogs in that 2009 ND game and possibly 2008 Minnesota where Nick Sheridan was competent.
Hoke's best wins were over 9-4 Notre Dame, 8-5 Notre Dame, 10-3 Northwestern (overtime) I guess you could throw in the Sugar Bowl over VaTech but we looked bad all night (just 180 total yards) and somehow came away with an OT win. Were we underdogs for UTL part 1?
Other than that, Hoke never beat a Big Ten team that had anything better than a 7-6 record.
It's hard to include the Hoke and RichRod years in terms of upsets because the program was in such horrible shape. With Harbaugh, the program looked much better outside the OSU game but still couldn't pull off an upset.
December 13th, 2020 at 11:11 AM ^
Mullin is such a dick that is was fitting to see the ending.
The only SEC coach I like is Ed O.
December 13th, 2020 at 11:41 AM ^
So many flukey plays that went LSU’s way. Reminds me of Auburn over Bama.