OT: Disney imagineers building Americana park
Some former Disney Imagineers have been contracted to build an "Americana-themed" 125-acre amusement park off of Route 66 in Oklahoma.
American Heartland will have 6 distinctly themed areas that each tell a different part of "the American story."
Maybe I'm underestimating the South but why on earth would anyone want to visit this place? For one, you could just actually tour AMERICA if you're already here AND how the fuck do you talk about the American story without acknowledging how deeply fucked our history is?
I can't imagine that they'll have a zone about slavery, or colonization, etc. Maybe they can have a theme with Washington crossing the Potomac, but, again, you can go fucking see the Potomac - it's IN America, lol. Seems a little odd to me, but then again that Noah's Ark park is still open and operating in Kentucky so I'm sure the park will do well. Maybe they can get Garth to promote it.
To me this is like saying FDR intended for Pearl Harbor to happen because FDR placed the Pacific Fleet at Pearl against the recommendation of its commanding officer.
These aren't the same thing at all. I'm talking about the way the CIA operated during the Cold War, starting with Alan Dulles.
Let's say John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State and brother of Alan, gets a phone call. Maybe it's from Winston Churchill who is hopping mad that the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh, wants to nationalize British Petroleum's oil resources. Or maybe it's from his good friends at United Fruit, who are concerned about the democratically elected leader there, Jacobo Arbenz, nationalizing land UF owned. The call could be about Patrice Lumumba in Congo. Or maybe Henry Kissinger gets that call. It's ITT, upset about Salvador Allende in Chile because he wants to nationalize their assets. Removing that leader from power is the solution but how to go about this? The US needs to keep its hands clean so as to not be seen interfering in another country's affairs. The solution is finding someone or some group that shares some aspect of your goal. Perhaps there are military generals who'd love a shot at running things. If the generals turn you down, find a group of junior officers chafing under the leadership of those generals. Next, help those actors with a plan, with arms and logistical support--maybe an airstrike or two if that will help--and the promise that the US will recognize your government as legitimate if you succeed.
Domestically, the enemy of our enemy can similarly be a friend. Malcolm X became a threat after he took the Hajj, came back, and renounced the views of Elijah Muhammad. At that point, like MLK in his denunciation of the Vietnam War, he threatened a shift from solely advocating for Black folks to becoming a unifier of the civil rights and anti-war movements--the Black Messiah of Hoover's nightmares. So the FBI signed Ray on as their patsy; they assured that a Nation of Islam shooter would have a clear line of sight and a slow police response. They gave the Chicago PD the layout of Hampton's residence. Hoover spied on everyone in Washington it's true, which is why he was FBI director from 1924 until the day he died. He was a closeted gay man whose lover, Clyde Tolson, was also an FBI guy. But Hoover was mostly a virulent racist with a special kind of hatred for civil rights leaders and communists. He treated the KKK with kid gloves by comparison. Hoover wouldn't even admit the fucking mob existed until they outed themselves at Apalachin
That's what I'm saying.
Hoover isn’t defensible, but his fears in regards to the Mafia did end up proven correct to a certain point. FBI agents got corrupted in dealing with the Mob.
I’m sorry, man, I just am not going to buy the “Ray is a patsy” when there is much more actual proof that white supremacists were more than willing to commit such acts on their own. You are asking me to ignore a century of behavior of white supremacists.
The Soviet Union did the same thing. Cuba interfered in other nation’s affairs. It is what it is.
I'm assuming you meant to type "wasn't" in that last sentence?
I actually didn't know that COINTELPRO also had an anti-KKK operation. But that's kind of a microcosm of what we're talking about, where the positives of America's history can't be separated from the negatives.
It says something about the cultural zeitgeist of the time that the organization responsible for countless brutal murders, kidnappings, intimidation, and other white supremacist violence was treated with the same kind of disdain as the groups that were protesting that violence after being victims of it (Malcolm X's father, for example, was killed by the KKK.) because of using their first amendment rights to advocate for a different system of government in an ostensible democracy.
Nation of Islam is not and was not a positive force of change. Malcolm X was a virulent antisemite. Black Panthers were a violent organization that yes did some good things.
The FBI did persecute them. That isn’t deniable. But let’s not whitewash the reality of the above when condemning the wickedness of the FBI.
Well said, there are unfortunately a LOT of dirty little secrets that seem to be housed in our 3 letter agencies and government (both sides) the last 40-50 years. In addition to what you mentioned, Kiki Camerena, the multiple color revolutions that overthrew foreign governments, JFK, and more.
Also the most benevolent, welcoming to refugees, innovation (looking around almost everything I own was from American ideas and ingenuity) and much more.
This post strikes a nerve in that It bothers me that seemingly every celebration of America (4th of July, a theme park) invites people to shit on the country I love. As a comparison, I don’t go to colleagues or friends award ceremonies or birthday parties and point out they had an affair 20 years ago or other failures.
I don’t think any rational person would want slavery erased from history books…just that it’s taught factually, which there seems to be a large difference in opinion in how it’s taught.
Hey, I was discussing American history with Salvatore. People can celebrate whatever they want, whenever they want, at the amusement park of their choice. It's their money and no skin off my ass. My point is that the history is real. That amusement park will be the lie.
The history is multi sided and more complex than people let on. People see the parts of history they want to see and ignore the parts that are inconvenient for the narrative they believe is the truth.
Because histories are written by humans and humans are unfailingly subjective even when we think of ourselves as objective. There is still greater credibility in a well-researched argument. But parallel versions of history co-exist. Southerners referring to the Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression for example. Claiming it wasn't about slavery, when it absolutely was.
You forgot the Democratic and Republican parties to your list of bad things “America” created to exploit people.